Armageddon on my wifes nerves with these seeds

[Dandaweedman]

Armageddon

Oh my god, is the only way to describe this. A direct Ganja crack copy of pukka seeds 11:59 Armaggedon
A good yeilder and very strong high.. not for the lightweight


Area : Indoor/ greenhouse / oudoor
Flowering: 8 Weeks
Yeild: 200-250 g m2 / 150g per plant outdoor (May to October)

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I didna attach de tumb nale!

Now this is from Percy seeds in the U.K.

http://ukcultivator.biz/showthread.p...1&page=1&pp=10
bout halfway down the page.

Has anyone grown this strain?
How about the one it refers to as being a "direct Ganga crack copy" of?

The name is enough for me to buy it, the price is the second reason, but that description?

$34.75 CAD

WOW!

Daniel

[Dandaweedman]

11:59 Armageddon Skunk

Type Indoor/Outdoor
Flowering 7-8 weeks
Yield 325-1000g/m2
Oh my god, it's the end of the world as we know it! The echelon of echeltology. It's a bolt from the blue to know that Armageddon Skunk is a F1 hybrid combining the best of G13 Hash Plant × Maple Leaf × BigBud. It's a revelation to see such a holy trinity in perfect equalibrium. (The main attractor that lies at the end of history calling your name.) Armageddon Skunk - as recommended by four horsemen. "Smeg! I'm famished," said Famine. "I feel totally dead," said Death. "War? In this state?" said War. "Not today, thanks," said Pestilence. Prepare to meet thy fate (11:59). (Please note that all products sold by The Pukka Seed Company are Year2000 Compliant.) - Order Code: P16 - Price: £125

Order Code: P16
Description: Pukka Seeds 11:59 Armageddon Skunk
Price Each: £125.00
Quantity:


Order Code: PF16
Description: Pukka Seeds 11:59 Armageddon Skunk, Feminised
Price Each: £220.00

Wow, looka them prices hey?

Ummmm gonna have to get me the copy I guess.

Daniel

$290 CAD for NON-feminized and $509 CAD for feminized.
Those artists had better come and grow it for that!

Daniel

[Sureshot]

The guy that runs Pukka is known for his high prices, his hydro retail business is renowned for it's steepness.

Whether or not they are good strains out of the box I can't tell you, I would expect they are to be honest, despite what appears to be a profit led approach they do seem to do things properly, at least from what I've seen from the place.

Maybe try some of the cheaper lines, Pukka Skunk for example and see how good they are before commiting, or maybe try a mix pack for 50 quid. Eitherway, even the 11:59s aren't expensive compared to their premium line! Tree of Life, £175, G13#1, £245, Armageddon x Sirius, £275, Hyper Active AKA Speed Weed, £275.

Regards the knock offs, on the assumption they are simply crosses of (even a well selected) a male and female F1 then there will be a lot of variation amongst the produced seeds.

And I think that assumption is likely be correct. I'd buy seeds like that off c-bay maybe but to be honest they're the kind of seeds that should simply be given to friends to try, unless you can give some insight into what to expect why should people pay money for them? I often wonder whether these small time breeders are simply cashing in on strain name rather than adding anything of value to the community. They say they are giving people a chance to grow what they wouldn't otherwise be able to afford but there are plenty of existing budget strains out there.

Given that the entire Canna gene pool in Cali, Holland, BC and all the "of note" Western grow areas probably comes back to maybe a dozen or so base imported cultivars being infinitely combined and recombined I don't give much credence to the whole strain game.

You grow a bunch of seeds, from a bunch of sources, until you find something you like, you keep some aside in reserve keeping in mind that even ordering the same strain again may result in slightly varied results. You then start the process again.

If you work from seed you are inviting variance into your garden anyway so what does it matter what the strain is called?

[Dandaweedman]

Originally Posted by Sureshot

The guy that runs Pukka is known for his high prices, his hydro retail business is renowned for it's steepness.

Whether or not they are good strains out of the box I can't tell you, I would expect they are to be honest, despite what appears to be a profit led approach they do seem to do things properly, at least from what I've seen from the place.

Maybe try some of the cheaper lines, Pukka Skunk for example and see how good they are before commiting, or maybe try a mix pack for 50 quid. Eitherway, even the 11:59s aren't expensive compared to their premium line! Tree of Life, £175, G13#1, £245, Armageddon x Sirius, £275, Hyper Active AKA Speed Weed, £275.

Regards the knock offs, on the assumption they are simply crosses of (even a well selected) a male and female F1 then there will be a lot of variation amongst the produced seeds.

And I think that assumption is likely be correct. I'd buy seeds like that off c-bay maybe but to be honest they're the kind of seeds that should simply be given to friends to try, unless you can give some insight into what to expect why should people pay money for them? I often wonder whether these small time breeders are simply cashing in on strain name rather than adding anything of value to the community. They say they are giving people a chance to grow what they wouldn't otherwise be able to afford but there are plenty of existing budget strains out there.

Given that the entire Canna gene pool in Cali, Holland, BC and all the "of note" Western grow areas probably comes back to maybe a dozen or so base imported cultivars being infinitely combined and recombined I don't give much credence to the whole strain game.

You grow a bunch of seeds, from a bunch of sources, until you find something you like, you keep some aside in reserve keeping in mind that even ordering the same strain again may result in slightly varied results. You then start the process again.

If you work from seed you are inviting variance into your garden anyway so what does it matter what the strain is called?

Well for what they are charging, it isn't that bad of a deal and probably worth trying.

There are a lot of hyped crap out there, what with small breeders buying some expensive genetics and then turning around and reselling, Rezdog comes to mind, BOG, Subcool and a few others.

Take one mans strain, mix it with another guys strain and then charge like it's a new invention.
Black russian f2's at how much? lol

I guess it is buyer beware and hope for the best.

Daniel... starting to wind down

[Dandaweedman]

Originally Posted by Sureshot

The guy that runs Pukka is known for his high prices, his hydro retail business is renowned for it's steepness.

Whether or not they are good strains out of the box I can't tell you, I would expect they are to be honest, despite what appears to be a profit led approach they do seem to do things properly, at least from what I've seen from the place.

Maybe try some of the cheaper lines, Pukka Skunk for example and see how good they are before commiting, or maybe try a mix pack for 50 quid. Eitherway, even the 11:59s aren't expensive compared to their premium line! Tree of Life, £175, G13#1, £245, Armageddon x Sirius, £275, Hyper Active AKA Speed Weed, £275.

Regards the knock offs, on the assumption they are simply crosses of (even a well selected) a male and female F1 then there will be a lot of variation amongst the produced seeds.

And I think that assumption is likely be correct. I'd buy seeds like that off c-bay maybe but to be honest they're the kind of seeds that should simply be given to friends to try, unless you can give some insight into what to expect why should people pay money for them? I often wonder whether these small time breeders are simply cashing in on strain name rather than adding anything of value to the community. They say they are giving people a chance to grow what they wouldn't otherwise be able to afford but there are plenty of existing budget strains out there.

Given that the entire Canna gene pool in Cali, Holland, BC and all the "of note" Western grow areas probably comes back to maybe a dozen or so base imported cultivars being infinitely combined and recombined I don't give much credence to the whole strain game.

You grow a bunch of seeds, from a bunch of sources, until you find something you like, you keep some aside in reserve keeping in mind that even ordering the same strain again may result in slightly varied results. You then start the process again.

If you work from seed you are inviting variance into your garden anyway so what does it matter what the strain is called?

As you well know anyone with a polluted ol hermied up bagseed plant wants to breed it and trade seeds.
I know, suprises do happen, but so does crabs.
hasn't happened to me yet (see job application)
But realisticall, I have read ummm far too many books now on botony and varios mary-jane books that were written by people who obviously know more than I do.
And they tell you first that there are a lot of breeding that is done with two plants that are NOT copacetic with each other.
OK that's one of the surprises right?
Do you want something in your grow that may hermie and seed some good bud?

Now with a breeder you at least have the chance of doing some easy research.
On a decent trader you can always find info on the net.
Do a search of your nicks on here and see what you get just from a quick search. (cept sureshot, who wants to go through 7777770000 hits)
But when I get to chatting on here with someone in pm, I do research.

There are a few people that have surprised me with what is on the net about them. Me included.

Google is just a start, but research on what you buy is out there for the grower on even the most secretive breeder, as thier product has to be bought, and when people pay money they yap, good or bad.

Trading on the other hand is secretive, has to be.
So one guy ... we'll call him Daniel so noone bitches.
Has crap seeds. TERRIBLE seeds!
he decides, why spend the money on good seeds, lets call these ones

hmm... armageddon lets say.
So lets say a guy by the name o Richard Doe nervous out there?
sends Daniel some LUI (likeyou thought it was gonna be something else?)
And in return gets, dans impotent NL or sumpin.
Well, Richard who in this case is a newb and not a growing Gawd grows it, and seeds it. And trades it on.

Wow, long winded. But Richard and whoever he trades with is going to put a LOT of time and effort into shite. AND whoever he trades with? And whomever Daniel trades with, and since seeds are not stamped...

OK you get the point.
Breeders are not the be all end all.
How many suspect they take 2 good lookin plants of 2 different strains/hybrids and just free pollinate like I did, but instead of worrying about the finished product, just named em and sold em?

I do I do LOL

So I guess what I was saying with all this crap is
1. Quit bitchin when ya get taken and post a reasonable post with proof if possible, and if none exists. Be gentle.

2. Trading. We need a good and bad sytem. Just posting with a name and a good or not good would suffice. BUT we remove the idiot posts.

3. I am bored and like to read what I type.

Daniel... be careful, he bites

LOL

[Governor]

I need to visit.

[Dandaweedman]

Originally Posted by Governor

I need to visit.

If you mean visit me see the job app. I may be convinced to move to the states LOL

Daniel

[Cannabis Pro]

Just my input as a seed bank owner. I do not think that anyone has to or should have to pay more than $30.00 for ANY f2 seed. Breeding F4IBL strains can become very expensive if proper genetic selection is done while breeding E.G

To Produce Northern Berry
One should at least grow 40 females of each strain and about 20 males (preferably about 20 males from each strain) and only select one or two plants for breeding. We always sample each mother and the best is selected for cloning. More seed from the SAME seed stock then has to be grown out at later date (and actual second grow for pollen)where the clone mother(s) are then pollenated by several select fathers. The best outcome is then sold for seed stock (after being tested of course which is actually a third grow.). Seed then is distributed for testing by several growers to make sure the strain is good and consistant (exhibit true F1 Qualities)so it can be sold for seed stock.

Years ago Blueberry was 125.00 for 10 seeds so it may have cost some breeders well over two to $3000.00 to make a strain not including the work (numerous grows), time , electricity costs or the know how that went into the breed!

This is not really required producing F2 as it is to hard to distinguish genetic traits or figure genetic traits to produce an F2 or F3 offspring, and not near as much selection goes into the breeding process (unless it is being selected to produce an F4 ...whole different story)thus a cheaper price

If people are producing F2's or f3's then i do not think they spent the time above to do so. I would ASSUME most banks that sell f2's just breed the nicest looking F1 in their garden to most impressive male and the consumer or seed buyer becomes the only one to see the next generation.

The above is very simplified but just my version of my opinion.! Peace

[Governor]

Thanks. I needed one piece of info there.

[phat pharmer]

Ol Racketeer Cannabis Pro likes to contribute here.......he does it quite often...pah

[thcbuz]

that was a lot of info in a short space. Dandaweedman & cannabispro both . it's true if you've had the same nick and been on the .net for a period of time.you search yourself and you'll be surprised. finding info on others by searchin' them is trully brilliant there watson eh? if folks are offering products, they've left footprints all over the .net, and lots of info can be had with just some patience.
I love concrete information on breeding enough to understand more than a basic concept, just like I love to being a fan of rock & roll music enough to have worked in radio as a DJ and I know enough to leave choice of strings to the guitar player and choices of strains to unite to the people willing to go that extra journey horticulture provides.
lemmee know Governor when your gonna head up to Dandaweedmans' and I'll pack my circus tent and go with ya.
peace,pot and prosperity,
'Buz

[Dandaweedman]

Originally Posted by thcbuz

that was a lot of info in a short space. Dandaweedman & cannabispro both . it's true if you've had the same nick and been on the .net for a period of time.you search yourself and you'll be surprised. finding info on others by searchin' them is trully brilliant there watson eh? if folks are offering products, they've left footprints all over the .net, and lots of info can be had with just some patience.
I love concrete information on breeding enough to understand more than a basic concept, just like I love to being a fan of rock & roll music enough to have worked in radio as a DJ and I know enough to leave choice of strings to the guitar player and choices of strains to unite to the people willing to go that extra journey horticulture provides.
lemmee know Governor when your gonna head up to Dandaweedmans' and I'll pack my circus tent and go with ya.
peace,pot and prosperity,
'Buz

Hell skip the tent, jump in da truck and come on up, harvest is in 2 weeks lol.
Heck, I'd go there but there are a few governmets that seem to not want Daniel. Get busted for growin and all of a sudden you are a terrorist? LOL

Daniel