Unusual heart rate, terror, disphoria. Why is this happening to me?

FuSoYa · 02-23-2007, 12:26 AM

I apologize in advance if this has been asked, as well as answered in the past. I searched the forums and found nothing. I just have to ask this though.

I've been acquainted with cannabis for a whole year now. Every time I had used it before, bad experiences weren't very frequent. Most of my experiences were euphoric and pleasant, and I felt "enlightened" after every session. It's different anymore, though.

For the last 3 times I've smoked, it's been the same every time. My heart rate is unusually fast, and unusually strong as it feels like it's beating irregularly. My lungs feel weak, and I find it difficult to draw air. I have severe cotton mouth, and to top it off, I can't un-tense my back muscles, and they feel "hot" from being so tense. Despite the fact that my muscles feel hot, I begin shivering the way a person would in 10 degree weather and I can't get "warm" no matter how much I put on or how many covers I use.

Those are the physical symptoms. The mental symptoms include intense anxiety / fear. The fear itself is mainly focused on the state of my body while this happens. I have thoughts like I'll stop breathing, or my heart will stop beating ( or a heart attack will occur ), and essentially, that I will die.

I am not an every-day smoker. Once a week, or once every 3 days at that. I only smoke with my friend. However when we smoke, he makes me take more hits than I'm comfortable with. This makes me believe that it may be the result of too much THC at once that causes this state of mind / body. It's been said that the cannabis I've used in the past 3 sessions is significantly potent ( probobly hydro ). I begin feeling stoned after one good hit.

I really don't want to quit smoking, but I really do want input from experienced folks who know a lot about THC. Is it just too much THC? Am I developing a condition? Is it just THAT particular type of cannabis that is doing this to me? Why does this happen to me? Any thorough explanation will be appreciated. Please, I need answers. Thank you.

edit : In case this info would help, I smoke cigarettes regularly ( nicotine dependency ). Would this tie in?

Peace seeker · 02-23-2007, 12:38 AM

typical case of anxiety/panick attack

it has happened to thousands of people (especially stoners)

i know its frighttening, it feels like u r having a heart attack.

Stop smoking for a while or avoid trippy sativas

FuSoYa · 02-23-2007, 12:48 AM

The main reason that I panic is because only then I realize just how many of my autonomic functions are devastated by cannabis. My thoughts race about my own health, which drives me into a more critical state of panic / anxiety / fear.

By "trippy sativa", do you mean that the cannabis I've used the past 3 times is an unusually "trippy" type of cannabis, or do you mean that my body is in a state of diminished reality?

Peace seeker · 02-23-2007, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuSoYa

The main reason that I panic is because only then I realize just how many of my autonomic functions are devastated by cannabis. My thoughts race about my own health, which drives me into a more critical state of panic / anxiety / fear.

By "trippy sativa", do you mean that the cannabis I've used the past 3 times is an unusually "trippy" type of cannabis, or do you mean that my body is in a state of diminished reality?

sativas have a more psychedelic high, that soemtimes can trigger mind games and anxiety

try an indica (for body high) or dont smoke for a while

cigarettes dont help either

FuSoYa · 02-23-2007, 01:21 AM

I'm sorry, Peace seeker, but what's an "indica"? I probobly sound like a Douche McBag for not knowing what it is, but I'm quite a hermit.

and body high? Explain, please.

Peace seeker · 02-23-2007, 01:46 AM

cannabis strains fall into two main categories

sativa dominant ones = trippy/mind/energetic high

and

indica dominant = body high, couchlock, numb thoughts (and munchies

)

theres certain 100% sativas that are so trippy/paranoic, that some people (including me) cant handle them anymore

others love 'em

ask your dealer what strain you' re buying and will tell you what kind of high it has

Lee_Eagle_Eyes · 02-23-2007, 03:55 AM

I agree with Peace Seeker. See if you can get some good indica (my personal favorite because I like to be mellow and sleepy when I smoke). But more importantly, and I've said this many times before to many different people, LOWER YOUR DOSE! Take one good hit and wait for 15 minutes or so to see how you feel, then if you want more, have more and wait again. If your friends gives you shit about not smoking enough then dont smoke with them anymore.
You're simply smoking too much hence the panic attacks, I've been there many times too. They suck.

Peace seeker · 02-23-2007, 11:00 AM

true^

one time i smoked some haze bubble hash that had me mildly trippin

scary shit

i was seeing shadows, so i got out of the house in -10F weather and walked the high off, at 2am

FuSoYa · 02-23-2007, 06:04 PM

You guys have made me feel tons better about the cannabis. I never knew about the "sativa" and "indica" dominance. I can give you guys more info about what else I've witnessed this stuff do.

I'm assuming that my friend has "sativa" dominant cannabis. I'll divide the two people I've witnessed into subject A and subject B.

Subject A was standing in the kitchen with the rest of us leaning up against the counter. Suddenly, he said "I'm gonna lay down now" and immediately fell to the floor passed out, smacking his face on it. After my friend shook him awake, he said "what are you doing?". Subject A thought he had been sleeping for 45 minutes, and even remembers walking over to the couch and everything. Upon awakening, he asked why my friend had disturbed his sleep. I was freaked out about smoking after witnessing this.

Now for subject B. Subject B smoked a bowl of the same stuff that subject A smoked. While falling asleep, he tried to alert my friend that he thought he was going to die, but didn't have enough lung power to get the message through. Luckily for him, he woke up the next morning and told my friend about the experience later on.

Can this cannabis be easily identified as Sativa?

The Second Law of Thermodynamics · 02-23-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuSoYa

You guys have made me feel tons better about the cannabis. I never knew about the "sativa" and "indica" dominance. I can give you guys more info about what else I've witnessed this stuff do.

I'm assuming that my friend has "sativa" dominant cannabis. I'll divide the two people I've witnessed into subject A and subject B.

Subject A was standing in the kitchen with the rest of us leaning up against the counter. Suddenly, he said "I'm gonna lay down now" and immediately fell to the floor passed out, smacking his face on it. After my friend shook him awake, he said "what are you doing?". Subject A thought he had been sleeping for 45 minutes, and even remembers walking over to the couch and everything. Upon awakening, he asked why my friend had disturbed his sleep. I was freaked out about smoking after witnessing this.

Now for subject B. Subject B smoked a bowl of the same stuff that subject A smoked. While falling asleep, he tried to alert my friend that he thought he was going to die, but didn't have enough lung power to get the message through. Luckily for him, he woke up the next morning and told my friend about the experience later on.

Can this cannabis be easily identified as Sativa?

no, those occcurances you describe aren't normal with cannabis whether its indica or sativa and the strain probably has little to do with them.

FuSoYa · 02-23-2007, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Second Law of Thermodynamics

no, those occcurances you describe aren't normal with cannabis whether its indica or sativa and the strain probably has little to do with them.

So you're saying we all three have serious health issues, or that we all smoked way too much?

The Second Law of Thermodynamics · 02-23-2007, 07:52 PM

i don't know what caused you guys to react that way, its not necessarily how much you smoked. i mean there have been days where i smoked an 8th and was fine, other times id get a bad reaction from one bowl (but i never passed out). who knows why these sorts of reactions happen with weed? but if youre falling to the floor passing out from weed, id say that it could be indicative of a serious health issue and you probably shouldn't smoke weed.

UnTrended · 02-23-2007, 08:46 PM

One time I smoked after 6 weeks of cessation and experienced kind of the same symptoms. My heart rate was uncomfortably increased, I had extreme paranoia, and I had these uncontrollable shakes. Kind of like how you shake when your cold, but it was 80 degrees out at the time. Me and my friend were on a dock out on a lake. The shakes were shaking the whole dock!!! I am 100% certain it was the weed. I'm not sure what the exact diagnosis was, but I'm certain it was the chronic.

FuSoYa · 02-23-2007, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnTrended

One time I smoked after 6 weeks of cessation and experienced kind of the same symptoms. My heart rate was uncomfortably increased, I had extreme paranoia, and I had these uncontrollable shakes. Kind of like how you shake when your cold, but it was 80 degrees out at the time. Me and my friend were on a dock out on a lake. The shakes were shaking the whole dock!!! I am 100% certain it was the weed. I'm not sure what the exact diagnosis was, but I'm certain it was the chronic.

It hasn't happened to you anymore, has it?

Lee_Eagle_Eyes · 02-23-2007, 10:01 PM

OK,
FuSoYa, first of all, the experiences you described (passing out and extreme time loss) are not typical cannabis experiences. There could be several reasons for these negative and unusual experiences.

What you described sounds to me like it could be caused by;

A) a negative reaction to cannabis. Unfortunately not everyone can enjoy cannabis. A small percentage of people have negative reactions to THC and/or the other many compounds present in the plant matter. It is possible that those experiences were a negative reaction to the chemicals and could also be linked to the quantity/potency of the dosage. Consult a doctor if possible/necessary.

B) a reaction that resulted from smoking something OTHER than cannabis. (No offense here but...) How much experience do you really have with cannabis? Are you absolutely positive that the material your friend is providing you with is indeed cannabis? How well do you know your "hookup"? Many irresponsible online websites market Salvia Divinorum as a "Legal Marijuana Alternative" but it is most definately NOT! I've never tried it myself but, the behavior you described sounds vaguely similar to the effects of smoked Salvia.

C) a reaction that resulted from imbibing too many psychoactives simultaneously. If there are multiple psychoactives in a persons system the effects of those chemicals can be magnified. For example, alchohol mixed with cannabis can easily be overpowering and make you ill. The same goes with many other compounds including over the counter meds like allergy medicines or decongestants.

I always grow concerned when I hear things like this because we as a community MUST be more responsible and caring for each other. Use the plant responsibly by educating yourself on it. Hope this helps you figure it out.

SublimeStylez · 02-23-2007, 10:14 PM

weed can be dusted as well...

strangely enough ive never gotten any anxiety attacks from any of my homegrown

FuSoYa · 02-23-2007, 10:39 PM

I've smoked Salvia Divinorum. I know the smell, the taste, and the feeling. It IS very similar to the panic attacks / anxiety / racing heart/ trouble breathing / overall disphoria I've experienced in my three past smoking sessions, but it's very unique and different from a cannabis high in so many ways. I'll never touch Salvia again, because something about it just isn't right. I hate it.

and I've smoked A LOT of pot in my day. Not as much as my friend, but enough to know that either I'm developing a condition, or that this particular weed is too powerful.

Now, it IS possible that the weed is mixed with something else, but I highly doubt it. I'm thinking it's more or less "hey, hit this bowl" "hey, hit this bowl, you're not done yet" "hey, you need to resin hit this bowl" "hey, we smokin' another bowl after this one?"

If it's just me and my friend, that's when the panic attacks happen. If it's me and my friend and another person, I feel "slightly" uneasy, but not severe. If it's me, my friend, and two other guys, I feel perfect because I don't have to hit the bowl as much and I end up taking fewer hits. This is what leads me to believe that it's TOO MUCH POT IN ONE DOSE.

I don't know how my friend can handle smoking a huge bowl of it by himself, but I sure as hell can't. It makes me think I'm dying.

EDIT : Yes, it is definitely cannabis. I know the smell, the taste, etc. Very familliar with it. That stinky, stinky smell...

The Second Law of Thermodynamics · 02-24-2007, 12:40 AM

umm, you are aware you can pass the pipe without hitting when it comes around to you, right? once your high there's no need to smoke more, in fact smoking more can actually kill your buzz and make you feel uncomfortable. plus weed isn't exactly cheap so the less you smoke the better. explain this reasoning to your friend and he should understand and stop trying to get you to smoke more. if he doesnt understand this, then he's probably not a very good friend and you should stop smoking with him.

FuSoYa · 02-24-2007, 12:49 AM

My friend, he's the type of guy who could sell snow to an Eskimo. Even if you say no, you strangely find yourself holding in another hit. I think he'll understand after witnessing me freak out three times ( also after I tell him that I've learned that this weed is the strongest he's ever bought in his life ).

02-23-2007, 12:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
FuSoYa Kichigai Jimita Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 237 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Unusual heart rate, terror, disphoria. Why is this happening to me? I apologize in advance if this has been asked, as well as answered in the past. I searched the forums and found nothing. I just have to ask this though. I've been acquainted with cannabis for a whole year now. Every time I had used it before, bad experiences weren't very frequent. Most of my experiences were euphoric and pleasant, and I felt "enlightened" after every session. It's different anymore, though. For the last 3 times I've smoked, it's been the same every time. My heart rate is unusually fast, and unusually strong as it feels like it's beating irregularly. My lungs feel weak, and I find it difficult to draw air. I have severe cotton mouth, and to top it off, I can't un-tense my back muscles, and they feel "hot" from being so tense. Despite the fact that my muscles feel hot, I begin shivering the way a person would in 10 degree weather and I can't get "warm" no matter how much I put on or how many covers I use. Those are the physical symptoms. The mental symptoms include intense anxiety / fear. The fear itself is mainly focused on the state of my body while this happens. I have thoughts like I'll stop breathing, or my heart will stop beating ( or a heart attack will occur ), and essentially, that I will die. I am not an every-day smoker. Once a week, or once every 3 days at that. I only smoke with my friend. However when we smoke, he makes me take more hits than I'm comfortable with. This makes me believe that it may be the result of too much THC at once that causes this state of mind / body. It's been said that the cannabis I've used in the past 3 sessions is significantly potent ( probobly hydro ). I begin feeling stoned after one good hit. I really don't want to quit smoking, but I really do want input from experienced folks who know a lot about THC. Is it just too much THC? Am I developing a condition? Is it just THAT particular type of cannabis that is doing this to me? Why does this happen to me? Any thorough explanation will be appreciated. Please, I need answers. Thank you. edit : In case this info would help, I smoke cigarettes regularly ( nicotine dependency ). Would this tie in? Last edited by FuSoYa; 02-23-2007 at 12:29 AM.

02-23-2007, 03:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lee_Eagle_Eyes YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 141 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree with Peace Seeker. See if you can get some good indica (my personal favorite because I like to be mellow and sleepy when I smoke). But more importantly, and I've said this many times before to many different people, LOWER YOUR DOSE! Take one good hit and wait for 15 minutes or so to see how you feel, then if you want more, have more and wait again. If your friends gives you shit about not smoking enough then dont smoke with them anymore. You're simply smoking too much hence the panic attacks, I've been there many times too. They suck. __________________

02-23-2007, 10:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lee_Eagle_Eyes YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 141 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK, FuSoYa, first of all, the experiences you described (passing out and extreme time loss) are not typical cannabis experiences. There could be several reasons for these negative and unusual experiences. What you described sounds to me like it could be caused by; A) a negative reaction to cannabis. Unfortunately not everyone can enjoy cannabis. A small percentage of people have negative reactions to THC and/or the other many compounds present in the plant matter. It is possible that those experiences were a negative reaction to the chemicals and could also be linked to the quantity/potency of the dosage. Consult a doctor if possible/necessary. B) a reaction that resulted from smoking something OTHER than cannabis. (No offense here but...) How much experience do you really have with cannabis? Are you absolutely positive that the material your friend is providing you with is indeed cannabis? How well do you know your "hookup"? Many irresponsible online websites market Salvia Divinorum as a "Legal Marijuana Alternative" but it is most definately NOT! I've never tried it myself but, the behavior you described sounds vaguely similar to the effects of smoked Salvia. C) a reaction that resulted from imbibing too many psychoactives simultaneously. If there are multiple psychoactives in a persons system the effects of those chemicals can be magnified. For example, alchohol mixed with cannabis can easily be overpowering and make you ill. The same goes with many other compounds including over the counter meds like allergy medicines or decongestants. I always grow concerned when I hear things like this because we as a community MUST be more responsible and caring for each other. Use the plant responsibly by educating yourself on it. Hope this helps you figure it out. __________________ Last edited by Lee_Eagle_Eyes; 02-23-2007 at 10:15 PM.

02-23-2007, 10:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
SublimeStylez bombs 4 jesus Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Burma Posts: 2,342 Thanks: 89 Thanked 102 Times in 44 Posts	weed can be dusted as well... strangely enough ive never gotten any anxiety attacks from any of my homegrown __________________ You're born alone, you die alone, the rest is your's to fill the gap. The world goes on without you here, adjust or just collapse.

02-23-2007, 10:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
FuSoYa Kichigai Jimita Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 237 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I've smoked Salvia Divinorum. I know the smell, the taste, and the feeling. It IS very similar to the panic attacks / anxiety / racing heart/ trouble breathing / overall disphoria I've experienced in my three past smoking sessions, but it's very unique and different from a cannabis high in so many ways. I'll never touch Salvia again, because something about it just isn't right. I hate it. and I've smoked A LOT of pot in my day. Not as much as my friend, but enough to know that either I'm developing a condition, or that this particular weed is too powerful. Now, it IS possible that the weed is mixed with something else, but I highly doubt it. I'm thinking it's more or less "hey, hit this bowl" "hey, hit this bowl, you're not done yet" "hey, you need to resin hit this bowl" "hey, we smokin' another bowl after this one?" If it's just me and my friend, that's when the panic attacks happen. If it's me and my friend and another person, I feel "slightly" uneasy, but not severe. If it's me, my friend, and two other guys, I feel perfect because I don't have to hit the bowl as much and I end up taking fewer hits. This is what leads me to believe that it's TOO MUCH POT IN ONE DOSE. I don't know how my friend can handle smoking a huge bowl of it by himself, but I sure as hell can't. It makes me think I'm dying. EDIT : Yes, it is definitely cannabis. I know the smell, the taste, etc. Very familliar with it. That stinky, stinky smell... Last edited by FuSoYa; 02-23-2007 at 10:42 PM.

02-23-2007, 12:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Peace seeker YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,165 Thanks: 166 Thanked 92 Times in 71 Posts	typical case of anxiety/panick attack it has happened to thousands of people (especially stoners) i know its frighttening, it feels like u r having a heart attack. Stop smoking for a while or avoid trippy sativas

02-23-2007, 12:48 AM	#3 (permalink)
FuSoYa Kichigai Jimita Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 237 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The main reason that I panic is because only then I realize just how many of my autonomic functions are devastated by cannabis. My thoughts race about my own health, which drives me into a more critical state of panic / anxiety / fear. By "trippy sativa", do you mean that the cannabis I've used the past 3 times is an unusually "trippy" type of cannabis, or do you mean that my body is in a state of diminished reality?

02-23-2007, 01:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
FuSoYa Kichigai Jimita Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 237 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I'm sorry, Peace seeker, but what's an "indica"? I probobly sound like a Douche McBag for not knowing what it is, but I'm quite a hermit. and body high? Explain, please.

02-23-2007, 01:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
Peace seeker YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,165 Thanks: 166 Thanked 92 Times in 71 Posts	cannabis strains fall into two main categories sativa dominant ones = trippy/mind/energetic high and indica dominant = body high, couchlock, numb thoughts (and munchies ) theres certain 100% sativas that are so trippy/paranoic, that some people (including me) cant handle them anymore others love 'em ask your dealer what strain you' re buying and will tell you what kind of high it has

02-23-2007, 11:00 AM	#8 (permalink)
Peace seeker YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,165 Thanks: 166 Thanked 92 Times in 71 Posts	true^ one time i smoked some haze bubble hash that had me mildly trippin scary shit i was seeing shadows, so i got out of the house in -10F weather and walked the high off, at 2am

02-23-2007, 06:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
FuSoYa Kichigai Jimita Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 237 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	You guys have made me feel tons better about the cannabis. I never knew about the "sativa" and "indica" dominance. I can give you guys more info about what else I've witnessed this stuff do. I'm assuming that my friend has "sativa" dominant cannabis. I'll divide the two people I've witnessed into subject A and subject B. Subject A was standing in the kitchen with the rest of us leaning up against the counter. Suddenly, he said "I'm gonna lay down now" and immediately fell to the floor passed out, smacking his face on it. After my friend shook him awake, he said "what are you doing?". Subject A thought he had been sleeping for 45 minutes, and even remembers walking over to the couch and everything. Upon awakening, he asked why my friend had disturbed his sleep. I was freaked out about smoking after witnessing this. Now for subject B. Subject B smoked a bowl of the same stuff that subject A smoked. While falling asleep, he tried to alert my friend that he thought he was going to die, but didn't have enough lung power to get the message through. Luckily for him, he woke up the next morning and told my friend about the experience later on. Can this cannabis be easily identified as Sativa?

02-23-2007, 07:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
The Second Law of Thermodynamics YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 2,114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	i don't know what caused you guys to react that way, its not necessarily how much you smoked. i mean there have been days where i smoked an 8th and was fine, other times id get a bad reaction from one bowl (but i never passed out). who knows why these sorts of reactions happen with weed? but if youre falling to the floor passing out from weed, id say that it could be indicative of a serious health issue and you probably shouldn't smoke weed.

02-23-2007, 08:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
UnTrended YaHookan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 39 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	One time I smoked after 6 weeks of cessation and experienced kind of the same symptoms. My heart rate was uncomfortably increased, I had extreme paranoia, and I had these uncontrollable shakes. Kind of like how you shake when your cold, but it was 80 degrees out at the time. Me and my friend were on a dock out on a lake. The shakes were shaking the whole dock!!! I am 100% certain it was the weed. I'm not sure what the exact diagnosis was, but I'm certain it was the chronic.

02-24-2007, 12:40 AM	#18 (permalink)
The Second Law of Thermodynamics YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 2,114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	umm, you are aware you can pass the pipe without hitting when it comes around to you, right? once your high there's no need to smoke more, in fact smoking more can actually kill your buzz and make you feel uncomfortable. plus weed isn't exactly cheap so the less you smoke the better. explain this reasoning to your friend and he should understand and stop trying to get you to smoke more. if he doesnt understand this, then he's probably not a very good friend and you should stop smoking with him.

02-24-2007, 12:49 AM	#19 (permalink)
FuSoYa Kichigai Jimita Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 237 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	My friend, he's the type of guy who could sell snow to an Eskimo. Even if you say no, you strangely find yourself holding in another hit. I think he'll understand after witnessing me freak out three times ( also after I tell him that I've learned that this weed is the strongest he's ever bought in his life ).