White Widow CFL Grow (no photos)

[Thepizzaguy]

I've noticed that one of my Mazar plants is growing pink pistols. I haven't seen any on the other Mazar plant. I have 3 Mazar seeds left and now thinking I should have crossed it with the ICE.

The first cut of White widow is at 45 days flower, has been curing for 2 weeks and has a great high. The taste is like hash with a little expansion at first, but as the bowl winds down, the hashyness wears away to a smooth pleasant smoke.

The second cut at 60 days flower has been curing for 3 days and was dry enough for it's first night in a jar. I tried a popcorn bud and was disappointed. The taste wasn't there and compared to a hit from the 1st plant, it seems weak.

I have pollinated and ICE female and will have a batch of good seeds in about 40 days.

[Jenna_Grows]

Nothing like your own bud! Thanks for the pics!

[Thepizzaguy]

Thanks Jenna, time flies when you're busy. People were asking about you in your log. But I guess you are aware of it. Some people like conversation.

Last night I went to hardware store for supplies. It's called Menards. Should you have one nearby, they have "vanity" lights that hold 3-4-5-7 bulbs and one of those was just 7 bucks. It might have been 4 bucks.

I picked up 2 more Y adapters and now have the supplies to start a new batch of seeds. The only thing that needs to be done is to remove one of my ready Widows for the 5th set of lights. I found a better source for electric wires with plugs. They have extension cords for 99 cents.

Also noticed they have started stocking garden supplies. Seed Starters range from a 72 site kit for 3.99 to a 36 site kit for 2.29. They've got a good assortment too. You can get the kit with peat pellets and rockwool, or just the plastic trays with clear plastic cover. Self watering trays? They got 'em.

They have these bricks of compressed soil or peat. It's some kind of growing medium that expands to light 5 quarts. And I saw something new. It's called a "water bird". It looks like a clear sausage. It is a fat tube of pre-soaked polymer and says it will provide water for 30 days. Not sure if you can recharge it or not.

For 2.99 it's something to think about instead of carrying 100's of gallons of water throughout the summer. For a 4 month grow, you might get away with 4 of those things but sinking a new one in the ground sounds challenging. Can always add a new 30 day supply of water when you repot a plant.

Rooting gel is also available.

This thread is pretty much a wrap. I'll post the next strain I start. Thanks for reading and helping me for several years to get this thing on tap. Yahooka is an old school internet site with loads of friendlies, a true classic.

[Thepizzaguy]

The name of that clear sausage watering thing is called "rainbird". rainbird.com has tons of irrigation supplies from drip emitters for small gardens to parts and products for large scale applications.

The pdf is 3megs and may be slow, but it has a detailed description on how some of their products work and how to use them. 2 pages.

http://www.rainbird.com/pdf/turf/bro_IS.pdf

[Dandaweedman]

I got rainbirds in the lawn as well as the tiny sprinkler types in the flower beds. Fancy that?
Jenna is Kanadian so no Menards close by

Those little spinner sprinkler ones? The minute things? They are supposed to be da bomb in aeroponic clone chambers o doom.
I don't trust the pierced connections indoors. You know how you insert the barbed connector into the 1/2" main line from the emitter lines. I have visions of catastrophe... and water leaks too
Are those compressed bricks coco? I think they come that way and the bag they come in opens up when they expand to make a container or sumpin?

[Thepizzaguy]

I don't know I didn't take a long look.

Looking at the Mazar plants. Neither one have any resin. The Ice has a good coating. I started 8 Aurora Indica. Box temp reach 66 degrees today. Warmest it's been since November.

[Thepizzaguy]

I will be back to post a summary of the thread. With any luck it will top off the last page.

To day's note: Last of the White Widow was harvested. It was the largest of the plants. After trimming, the scissors hash was black.

Anyone have any info on that?

[Dandaweedman]

must have been the friction heated up the trichs on the blades.

[Thepizzaguy]

Thepizzaguys New Grow Log Summary:

11-12-08

I started 10 White Widow seeds from my own stash. 8 of 10 germinated 1 died before it was established. Plants were vegged for 3 weeks.


12-08-08

All plants in flower box are female giving me 4 total. I also germinated 5 of 7 ICE seeds which were vegged for 3 weeks, and germinated 2 Mazar seeds for 2 weeks.

1-13-09 Pollinated one of 3 ICE plant with male from same strain.

1-16-09 2 Mazar I Shariff plants showed female. Giving me a total of 9 flowering plants.

1-24-09 Harvest 1st White Widow and put all flowering plants into same large flowering area.

1-31-09 Harvest 2nd of 4 White Widow

2-7-09 Harvested 3rd of 4 White Widow. Germinated 8 NRS Aurora Indica. Aurora Indica is a cross of NL#5 and Afghani. Call it a Northern Lights knock off if you like.

2-13-09 Harvested last of the White Widow. I have 28 grams of dry buds left from 3 plants. Way less than it looks visually. 5 Aurora Indica seeds popped 3 more to go.

2-14-09 Pulled the plug in the AI. 5 seedlings will have to do. Planted 3 Master Kush. Couldn't get them to flower last time, they just kept growing and growing and growing.


Next expected harvest: ICE 3-10-09.


Along the way this attempt at a continuous perpetual harvest saw many light accidents and burnt leaves. It came to a head where I was seeing perpetual light issues. Problems were solved and all lights are secure. It is a learning experience and a period of transition as I set the way for a weekly harvest of one or more plants. Harvesting this way allows most of the plants some extra growing time, and has seen to have paid off. The final White Widow produced a black hash during trim.

The Set up is a 4*3 foot low quality home made, create for flowering and a converted book case for vegetative growth. You would have to be blind to miss them. The lights are 23 watt CFL's that put out 100watts of light each and 1600 lumen. There are a total of 13 lights in the flowering box and 8 in the veg box. Soil is MG potting mix and garden soil. Nutes are 10-52-10 MG Bloom booster with is used, but sparingly, and only once the plants have been flowered. The population is 5 females in flowering, 3 ICE 2 Mazar with one ICE pollinated for seeds production. In the veg box, I have 8 NRS Aurora Indica seeds germinating.



EDIT Yield is known. Three of the Widow plants yielded 28 grams after gifts and 21 days of smoking. I bought a diet scale for a couple bucks and calibrated it using a 1.5 ounce pack of designer coffee. I don't smoke that much, sticking with 2-3 tiny popcorn buds per day average. I'm only willing to add a 1/2 ounce. I only gifted 3 nice buds, one fresh off the vine. The yield was way lower than it looks to the naked eye. It's one of the largest ounces I've ever seen. I still find this to be worth my time, and more so knowing I'm a few weeks from my next harvest. The last plant I'm saying 3/4 ounce. It was the largest plant of the group.

I find growing my weed well worth the effort and helps me avoid the bad elements and skimming dealer. Anyone wanting to grow the bud should take into account that the harvest will look big, but it will be less than expected. It may cover the cost of what you might have spent buying buds for 3 months


EDIT 2-20

I bought a jar of Rootone. I plan on giving cloning a try some day. I also bought some supplies for a complete rebuild of my "crate". Today I got the screws and 9 eight foot 2x2's. I don't know how I'm going to get three 4x8 sheets of glossy white paneling home from the Home Supplies Store. They deliver, but then I have to plan an entire day and end up waiting 6 hours. The area is going to be wider longer and go from floor to ceiling. I'm thinking about using sliding doors. I haven't given it too much thought. I know what supplies I need for 3 walls, and go from there.

Thanks again for following along, sorry about the pictures, you can see the camera and cameraman kind of suck. And once again thanks to the crew at Yahooka for the years of coaching and information. It's surely a classic website.

[Thepizzaguy]

I tested a theory that cloning leads to more plants. I cut my 1st clone yesterday from an ICE I was pruning. It turns out my theory was correct. The flowering area suffered a short drought and the lower leaves turned yellow. While I was removing the damage and other problem areas sapping nutrients from the main cola, and found what looked to be a suitable candidate for a clone. The drought was work related.

Cloning Process

To make this clone, I snipped the entire branch from near the soil and removed everything but a quarter inch stem from below the 3 node using my scissors. I removed the leaves from the bottom node with my fingers. Cut the stem at a 45 degree angle using an exacto knife. Dipped the cutting into some water and then then into the cloning power w/fungicide a full 1/4 inch above the node.

After removing the excess hormone powder, I poked a hole into my soil and inserted the bottom stem of the cutting making sure to completely cover the exposed node in the soil. I pressed the soil well to make solid contact between the cutting and the soil, securing the clone. I watered the plant lightly. I plan on rooting and vegging this clone under 24 light for 30 days and then force it to flower.

After Thought

I am expecting this plant to yield less than a plant from seed. Even though the veg time will be the same at 4 weeks, I don't expect the clone to be as big. It may be the tallest plant in the vegging area now, but the plants from seed are much bushier with dense growth, and therefore should out grow the clone.

[Dandaweedman]

Originally Posted by Thepizzaguy

I tested a theory that cloning leads to more plants. I cut my 1st clone yesterday from an ICE I was pruning. It turns out my theory was correct.

Hmm I have been wondering about that one for a couple of years now...

[farmergiles]

Originally Posted by Thepizzaguy

I am expecting this plant to yield less than a plant from seed. Even though the veg time will be the same at 4 weeks, I don't expect the clone to be as big. It may be the tallest plant in the vegging area now, but the plants from seed are much bushier with dense growth, and therefore should out grow the clone.

Chances are a clone will produce more than a plant grown from seed. Obviously this will depend on how long you veg her..

Good luck with the cloning- hopefully it will lead to more plants .

[Thepizzaguy]

Thanks. It's not looking too good. She's yellow. I think I'll devote my time to cloning all the flowering trees in the neighborhood. I'm starting to use my breeder packs and shouldn't goof around trying new things. Even if the plant pulls through, I don't expect to be cloning any pot plants until I've made plenty of seed from the packs I'm using, and this could take a while.

[Thepizzaguy]

3-4-09

I may have come across a case of nute burn. When I started my Aurora Indica seeds I had to break open a fresh bag of MG Garden Soil. I used it on the bottom of the container and disbursed the old potting mix for the top 1/2 of each container. What I am seeing are yellowing leaves. I'm usually ok with this because it mostly happens late in flower, but this time the plants are going to their 3rd week of veg.

I can't be sure the soil is too hot. I also have some MK growing with the same mix and they are looking great. No yellowing. Fine green leaves. Compared to the AI's yellow and light green leaves. Don't get me wrong, I would love to produce some light green buds. There is also a 40% chance that I am letting the soil get too dry.

The ICE is getting there. I'm sure it's ready, but I'm sticking to my original harvest time. This was a originally a seed harvest, but with three plants, I only pollinated one. To be fair, the ICE plants are behind in production of White Widow and even behind the Mazar I Shariff which is coming on strong and will outweigh the ICE plant for plant. The 2 plants might even outweigh all 3 ICE.

Another possibility is that ICE is harder to grow and not one of the bigger yielding strains, but even I was expecting more. I'll have plenty of seeds, so I guess it's a successful grow anyways.

[Thepizzaguy]

I thought I would update this. I was also hoping it had dropped off the front page.

I have harvest 9 plants in 12 weeks so far this year. 4 White Widow, 3 ICE and 2 Mazar I Shariff. I can't say the dry weight exactly, but I have about 20 grams of each left. In all it couldn't have been more than 5 ounces. I also harvested 237 ICE seeds and 2 Mazr I Shaiff x ICE seeds.

Smoke report:

White Widow is awesome. After smoking about a gram throughout the day, I'm usually ready to crash. Yes, just a gram, this stuff is strong.

I've only tried the ICE twice and not ready to report. While flowering, the bud leaves were solid with resin. Very comparable to the White Widow.

Haven't had any of the Mazar I Shariff but while trimming a couple weeks agao, it smell like fruit. I really want to say pineapple. Flowering showed that the bud leaves had THC only along the edges.

Update:

My plants don't have nute burn, it's dehydration.

Flowering: 2 female NRS Aurora Indica, 3 more to go and 2 of 3 NRS Master Kush were male
Vegetative: 6 White Widow

The perpetual grow continues and has made me think about Summer 2009. If my perpetual grow is proving enough weed for myself, why plan a 20 pound outdoor fiesta? After that I may start another strain. I don't have much luck indoors over the summer as I recall and wouldn't want to waste a pack of seeds. Last year I had nil, and the year before that I had an outdoor grow of 1/4 pound.

Illinois Medical Marijuana in the works. I think I've found a loop hole in the Bill. According to the idea, residents of other medical marijuana states can buy medical marijuana in Illinois through a caregiver, and ANY person can be a medical marijuana organization for $5000.00 and dispense to any number of patients. I have the $5000.00 and a lawyer.

The idea is to get my friends with medical cards in Colorado , Michigan and California to list me as a medical marijuana organization and register with the state as an out of state medical marijuana patient. I have three strains as it is now with 1 more on it's way for sure. I may not be the best known pot grower in the state, but my stuff kicks anything else around from what I've seen, and it's fresh.

We'll just have to see what changes are mad to the Bill before it's voted on. I think this is the year!

[Thepizzaguy]

I've seen to have either crossed a line or found my way across the bridge again.

Anyways,

House Bill 2514, the Compassionate Use of Medical Cannabis Pilot Program Act, and its companion bill, Senate Bill 1381, is not of an economic nature. On Wednesday, March 25, the Senate Public Health Committee voted 6-3 in favor of SB 1381. The measure is now likely to go before the full senate. These are medical issues. If one or the other not pass, blame the state, blame the State, not the Presidents and his ideas concerning the economy. Illinois has it's right to make it's own laws and govern themselves.

[Thepizzaguy]

Moved out all the plants from the vegging area to the flowering area and started 6 White Widow. I'm running low.

In flower I have 4 Aurora Indica (NL#5 knockoff) and one Master Kush. Will pollinate one AI female and flower out the remaining 3 for sensemilla.

You'ld think that after 5 years, I would have learned how not to burn the tops of my plants, but no. Maybe it will cause denser buds along the main stem.

So far things are progressing close to perfection. I have plenty of weed and 3 kinds to choose from.

[Thepizzaguy]

Well,

I have as said above, 4 AI females, 1 AI male, and one Master Kush, (sex unknown). Also 6 White Widow 2 weeks from seed.

WARNING: Mazar I Shariff made me puke

Maybe it's me, I don't know. I grew out Mazar I Shariff, about 15 grams worth from one plant. It was dried and cured for over a month. The only hit I took may me puke. A full on tummy cleaner. I am afraid to smoke it again. What worries me is that I gave a plant to a friend and haven't seen him since. It's embarrassing. My sister said nothing.

[Dandaweedman]

Oooh thats not good. I wonder why it would do that, too strong?

[Thepizzaguy]

I don't know I have since started smoking it and it's really good stuff. Tastes good. Smells good. I think it just needed more time to dry and cure and I'm not the healthiest person around.

I'm about to take the Aurora Indica plants. Harvest is supposed to be the 12th. Only going to take this first week and give the remaining plants more flower time. Seeds anyone? Every plant has seeds this time. Kept the male in too long.

The Master Kush may be a long term resident. Could be Christmas by the time this one's ready.

6 White Widow are flowering 4 are female. Two yet to show. I am getting a high ration of females with these seeds. Seeds were made from breeder pack. 1 female polinated by 4 males. I think this imprinted on the genetics that there are male males than females, and thus the plant compensated by producing more female seed.