Godbud x Dreamweaver (Dream Goddess) 3rd crop - Page 2

Absynth420 · 10-19-2009, 11:26 PM

BUT, if i make about 20 clones from the best female plant i first got from seed, and keep a male of said strain, then take the best clone and cross it with her daddy, are hte seeds from that not f2? because thats what ive been doing. i take the best clone, flower her, pollinated, and then plant a bunch of her seeds. i then take the best of those again for the new mother. as far as i know im making a successive f generation by back crossing them with their daddy.

from what ive read, thats the way to do it, i just said cloning the mother as a broad term to save typing. i brought up the breeding it with the master kush as an afterthought. is the method im using pointless? because im new to breeding/crossing, but im just doing what ive read.

sorry if i didnt include all that in my blog, but this is my first one, and i dont like to put in walls of text because i have bad carpal tunnel.

farmergiles · 10-20-2009, 03:06 AM

No no what you are doing is far from pointless, you might as well use the best clone but they all look pretty good to me and chances are they are all identical DNA wise.

The seed offspring will show genetic variation due to the random nature of which genes each parent will donate to each offspring.

Check out Mendel like SAF said and you might try Greg Green's Cannabis Breeder's Bible (not the grow bible).

smallarmsfire · 10-20-2009, 05:26 AM

this all remains a little unclear.. you definitely left out a few details along the way, which is why I worded my very first post like I did.

but let's look again here.. you said you cut clones from your F2 mother on Sept 25.. so then it would be impossible for you to have seeded those, grown out the subsequent F3 generation seeds, and now to be looking at clones of your "selected F3 mother" only a month later..
from your new explanation, it sounds like you are sitting on a pile of clones of an F2 mama.. but again it just isn't entirely clear.

just to describe the potential scenario a bit..

if you selected a male and female from an initial pack of seeds and did a cross between them, you would have ended up with F2 seeds. doesn't matter how many generations you cloned the mama.. those clones are all identical to the original F1 mama.

so now you've taken those F2 seeds and germed a bunch, and you should see quite a bit of deviation in the results unless your initial F1 seedstock is from an inbred or heirloom line (ie not really F1s

) or of course if one of the parents happens to be especially recessive..
getting to F3, the idea would usually be to more narrowly define the gene pool.. but it must involve breeding two F2 candidates together to be a true F3. if you haven't made a new male selection or done a second run of seeds from your F2 candidates, then I'm not sure where you are exactly.

if, however, you crossed an F2 female to her male parent plant, you are crossing an F2 with an F1 plant, and the results would not be the same as F3s because the genetic code to be donated by the male F1 is likely to be far more open-ended.

hopefully after a day of browsing around info, you feel confident again about what you are working on.. i really don't mean to cast any negative light onto your project! just looking for clarification & only spent time replying at all because i've seen you problem-solve (still got your calmag?) & follow through with beautiful work in the past..

so regardless of all the details involved, cheers buddy! keep on grinding...

traildust · 10-21-2009, 11:19 AM

Nice job !! Living in montana i had to bring em in !! I just signed up yesterday,will post some pics soon !!!!!

Absynth420 · 12-17-2009, 04:28 AM

so after taking a break from the forums to read up on mendel again and settle some personal issues (I am no longer with my fiancee), I am back to show you the rewards of 2 1/2 months of TLC... lots of THC!!!

this is only about 1/2 of the harvest, as i am letting the bottom buds fatten up since they werent geting proper lighting with the poor penetration of my t5's, but i anticipate on new years, il have another quarter pound or if im lucky maybe 6oz...

cheers folks, good to be back and keep growing the good herb!

**Pharm Girl** · 12-17-2009, 04:33 AM

Your friend looks like he wants you to pass....remember puff, puff pass!

10-20-2009, 03:06 AM	#22 (permalink)
farmergiles Zombie! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Apocalyptic Sunset Posts: 2,715 Thanks: 536 Thanked 761 Times in 543 Posts	No no what you are doing is far from pointless, you might as well use the best clone but they all look pretty good to me and chances are they are all identical DNA wise. The seed offspring will show genetic variation due to the random nature of which genes each parent will donate to each offspring. Check out Mendel like SAF said and you might try Greg Green's Cannabis Breeder's Bible (not the grow bible). __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness

10-20-2009, 05:26 AM	#23 (permalink)
smallarmsfire <3 veg vigour Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: (x, y, z) Posts: 523 Thanks: 43 Thanked 211 Times in 129 Posts	this all remains a little unclear.. you definitely left out a few details along the way, which is why I worded my very first post like I did. but let's look again here.. you said you cut clones from your F2 mother on Sept 25.. so then it would be impossible for you to have seeded those, grown out the subsequent F3 generation seeds, and now to be looking at clones of your "selected F3 mother" only a month later.. from your new explanation, it sounds like you are sitting on a pile of clones of an F2 mama.. but again it just isn't entirely clear. just to describe the potential scenario a bit.. if you selected a male and female from an initial pack of seeds and did a cross between them, you would have ended up with F2 seeds. doesn't matter how many generations you cloned the mama.. those clones are all identical to the original F1 mama. so now you've taken those F2 seeds and germed a bunch, and you should see quite a bit of deviation in the results unless your initial F1 seedstock is from an inbred or heirloom line (ie not really F1s ) or of course if one of the parents happens to be especially recessive.. getting to F3, the idea would usually be to more narrowly define the gene pool.. but it must involve breeding two F2 candidates together to be a true F3. if you haven't made a new male selection or done a second run of seeds from your F2 candidates, then I'm not sure where you are exactly. if, however, you crossed an F2 female to her male parent plant, you are crossing an F2 with an F1 plant, and the results would not be the same as F3s because the genetic code to be donated by the male F1 is likely to be far more open-ended. hopefully after a day of browsing around info, you feel confident again about what you are working on.. i really don't mean to cast any negative light onto your project! just looking for clarification & only spent time replying at all because i've seen you problem-solve (still got your calmag?) & follow through with beautiful work in the past.. so regardless of all the details involved, cheers buddy! keep on grinding... __________________ i have a motto, sort of. i jotted it down in a schoolbook diary: i aspire. i don't know why i chose those particular words; they're odd, and i like the ambiguity.. do i aspire to heaven or hell? -truman capote

12-17-2009, 04:28 AM	#25 (permalink)
Absynth420 Jedi Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Undisclosed Posts: 129 Thanks: 67 Thanked 46 Times in 22 Posts	so after taking a break from the forums to read up on mendel again and settle some personal issues (I am no longer with my fiancee), I am back to show you the rewards of 2 1/2 months of TLC... lots of THC!!! this is only about 1/2 of the harvest, as i am letting the bottom buds fatten up since they werent geting proper lighting with the poor penetration of my t5's, but i anticipate on new years, il have another quarter pound or if im lucky maybe 6oz... cheers folks, good to be back and keep growing the good herb! Attached Images

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10-19-2009, 11:26 PM	#21 (permalink)
Absynth420 Jedi Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Undisclosed Posts: 129 Thanks: 67 Thanked 46 Times in 22 Posts	BUT, if i make about 20 clones from the best female plant i first got from seed, and keep a male of said strain, then take the best clone and cross it with her daddy, are hte seeds from that not f2? because thats what ive been doing. i take the best clone, flower her, pollinated, and then plant a bunch of her seeds. i then take the best of those again for the new mother. as far as i know im making a successive f generation by back crossing them with their daddy. from what ive read, thats the way to do it, i just said cloning the mother as a broad term to save typing. i brought up the breeding it with the master kush as an afterthought. is the method im using pointless? because im new to breeding/crossing, but im just doing what ive read. sorry if i didnt include all that in my blog, but this is my first one, and i dont like to put in walls of text because i have bad carpal tunnel.

10-21-2009, 11:19 AM	#24 (permalink)
traildust YaHookan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: montana Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Nice job !! Living in montana i had to bring em in !! I just signed up yesterday,will post some pics soon !!!!!

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