The Mayan Calendar

[Patrick Rue]

Originally Posted by verklingen

Yeah, pretty much! But so does the inside of a black hole, remember.

You have to understand (not you personally, but people in general who want to grasp topics such as this) that opposites are, in fact, opposites. If our universe is (as I believe) currently contracting, the "laws" of nature which a physicist or astronomer observes and describes in his own terms would be radically different from how a physicist or astronomer would observe and describe a universe that is expanding.

What makes you think the universe is contracting? I have seen quite a bit of significant physicists that would care to differ.

[SmokeSomeDoja]

hubbles law, whoops

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hubble's_law

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

i think most astronomers/physicists do believe the universe is still expanding.

hubberts law, maybe?

As viewed from Earth, the electromacgentic radiation of distant objects shift to the red, leading one to believe that the light between us and that object is stretching. Astronomers use this as evidence for universal expansion. But if you just think on it for a moment, you would expect this same phenomenon to occur if we were moving away from the distant object due to a contraction.

It's sketchy, but there is so much room for interpretation in observational astronomy that it would be very difficult to say very much with absolute certainty using only observational data as evidence.

Time for lunch! More to come if it's asked for.

[SmokeSomeDoja]

nah man, it has nothing to do with redshift.

those are two completely different topics, if i remember correctly.

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

nah man, it has nothing to do with redshift.

those are two completely different topics, if i remember correctly.

Hubble's Law states that the redshift of light emmited from distant cellestial object is proportional to that object's distance from the point of observation.

Mr. Rasta:

So sorry for hijacking your thread! I didn't know an innocent allusion to my personal cosmology could cause such a mess.

I thought about 2012 over my lunch (fish and chips, yum), and decided I believe that it will, in some way or another, serve as a transitional phase into the next stage. Some paradigm shift will occur, the effects of which can be scarcely imagined. Needless to say, we should be pumped to exist at so exciting a time.

[The Rev]

If Cortez couldn't bring about the end of the world, I don't see how anything can.



The Rev

[Canuck Wisdom]

I dont think it makes any sense to say that this is a passive period in time when you consider all the speed and genius that new inventions came by over the last 100 years. Never before has time moved so fast. I can communicate instantly with someone over the web.

Oh, nor do I accept that the entire world, or universe, or human world is so simple as a single yingyang concept. Many many infinite layers in different realms and directions would be put together to construct the whole. Any given evidence we have one way or the other could be contradicted equally as many times by the other side.

[The Shombadia]

Verklingen thank you for being so polite. If I remember correctly then we are now between the fourth and fifth "worlds" and on 2012 the fifth "world" will begin. So do any of you have any ideas on what will be coming? I have heard many different theories on the subject. Some say children born after 2012 will be telepathic and be more advanced species. To me this doesnt make any sense. Does anyone want to clarify?

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by Canuck Wisdom

I dont think it makes any sense to say that this is a passive period in time when you consider all the speed and genius that new inventions came by over the last 100 years. Never before has time moved so fast.

Time is an objective concept, and is never constant. In every Yang, there are Yin and Yang elements. I've discussed this elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Canuck Wisdom

I can communicate instantly with someone over the web.

Indeed you can! The prolific combining of peoples, places, and things into a worldwide amalgama is the harbringer of contraction/Yin principles. Before the Big Bang, all energy existed as a single point. In other words, two energies were able to communicate instantly, if they so chose. As this point expanded, the distances expansion implies made such instant communication impossible. Now, as our universe contracts, we humans (the physical embodiment of Yang energies) have discovered how to reunite ourselves in such a way that allows us to again communicate with (relative) instantness. As universal energies converge further, we will discover ways to communicate with someone in another galaxy as easily and promptly as we today communicate with someone in Beijing or Argentina.

Originally Posted by Canuck Wisdom

Oh, nor do I accept that the entire world, or universe, or human world is so simple as a single yingyang concept. Many many infinite layers in different realms and directions would be put together to construct the whole. Any given evidence we have one way or the other could be contradicted equally as many times by the other side.

Sure it is! Depending on the scale of course. The deeper one delves into anything, the more entangled the web of Yin and Yang becomes. So much so, that it requires a great deal of effort to differentiate which qualities can be ascribed to which. It's all a matter of scale. Like in the famous infinite coastline argument, illustrated by the Koch Snowflake.

[Canuck Wisdom]

Originally Posted by verklingen

As universal energies converge further, we will discover ways to communicate with someone in another galaxy as easily and promptly as we today communicate with someone in Beijing or Argentina.

Kk, this makes some sense to me, but I still cannot accept the base of your position.

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by Stoned Rasta

Verklingen thank you for being so polite. If I remember correctly then we are now between the fourth and fifth "worlds" and on 2012 the fifth "world" will begin. So do any of you have any ideas on what will be coming? I have heard many different theories on the subject. Some say children born after 2012 will be telepathic and be more advanced species. To me this doesnt make any sense. Does anyone want to clarify?

I suppose something along these lines could be in store for us in the coming 6 years. I would suggest that some great discovery/revelation will occur, perhaps the discovery of how telepathy or other forms of clairvoyance work and how to access these abilities.

[snapshot]

To me, 2012 is just something to wait for. It's fun to speculate. It's significant enough for the Mayan to choose a specific year or date that is good enough for me to be like, "OK, I'm going to wait for 2012, it might be cool."

I'm not saying it for 2011 or 2013 because it hasn't been given attention like 2012. But what more do you have to go off of that to be trying to predict what will actually happen?

I've got a million ideas. One of them is that we'll be able to extract energy out of water with 1000% efficiency. Another is artificial intelligence may be created. It could be something destructive. It could be something significant.

But I really don't think anything "paranormal" will take place such as clairvoyance and all that. May I be pleasantly surprised if that happens but I think if there is some synchronistic event that occurs it's going to be a lot more subtle than mind-reading even though it will be apparent. We probably won't know what it is if anything for years and years. And it will probably be something that we had all along that we only gained awareness for some reason. I say this because I see a lot more awareness among people lately. Something's different.

We've been accelerating our evolution for since our brains were big enough to big considered homo sapien. Hopefully 2012 will be a cresendo of the information that will force us to look at the world in a knew way.

I think it's pretty stupid that I'm not seeing more "maybe"s and "I think"s in this thread.


/sneers at ver-something

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by snap-something

But I really don't think anything "paranormal" will take place such as clairvoyance and all that.

I only suggested that because it was in line with what StonedRasta was speculating on.

Originally Posted by snap-something

Hopefully 2012 will be a cresendo of the information that will force us to look at the world in a knew way.

This is in line with my speculations, as shown by my first post in this thread.

Originally Posted by snap-something

I think it's pretty stupid that I'm not seeing more "maybe"s and "I think"s in this thread.


/sneers at ver-something

There's certainly plenty of room for "maybe" and "I think" concerning what, if anything, will happen in 2012. Most opinions within this thread have, so far, had very little to do with the question of 2012, so a staunch conviction is more understandable (because anything dealing with 2012 is pure speculation and oughtn't be spoken of as concretely as musings on other topics can). The only thing that is undeniable is that if nothing happens on 2012, it was a long time coming.

/sneers at snapshot182's unwarranted antagonism

[Kishar]

Originally Posted by Stoned Rasta

There is alot of controversy on the mayan calendar and how correct it is. What do you guys think of this and the new world beginning dec 31 2012?

It's December 21st 2012

Nothing is going to happen, it's just a myth.

[snapshot]

Certainly, something exiting is going to happen

Is this significant?

Sorry, there is no Golden Age in sight; I can assure you

Later you state that what you can assure me that is that you believe in this statement.

Golden Age is only attainable when the energy of creation (big bang) is still dominant, and our present age is caught up in the universe's contraction.

You later state that's your belief. Also, according to the law of conservation of energy, there has been the same amount of matter and energy since the beginning of time (as we think we know it).

A place in time wherein the energy of creation is super-abundant and progression is easier than regression.

This can happen at anytime, and would be more likely to happen as technology advances, which contradicts it being a "golden age" since you stated that a golden age is something from the past.

You have to understand (not you personally, but people in general who want to grasp topics such as this) that opposites are, in fact, opposites.

OMG, I really just didn't understand this. Or I already do, but don't understand the significance of you posting this.

The "golden age" has usually been associated with what philosophers believed to have existed that contained in a society will certain ideals that contain a utopia. You call the big bang "the golden age"? Where does that come from? Speaking in terms that relate to us societally, not universally, I agree with can not ever reach a golden age, not because

You also say there is much room for interpretation. Hopefully I'm not "interpreting" my next statement because I disagree with that because there is much room for more data which can speak for itself, but interpretation depends on lack of data.

But yeah, I got mad at you about something earlier in the thread and I can't remember why, so, sorry about that. I do disagree with you that phsyicists and astronomers disgree about the universe expanding, and I think they agree that it is even accelerating; far from contracting. I thought it was archaic not to believe it was expanding so if you have some new data post a link.

[kRad]

I think no one knows what they are talking about or even knows what and how the words they say and type and think can even exist so we are all completly wrong or may be right.

[wrine420]

Originally Posted by GirlsHateMe

That is the day of the death of the 6th sun...

the poles on the earth will change, and alot of things will be different...

the myans also predited the death of the 5th sun in 1991, on wich day there was a very long and dark solar eclips...

Who knows what will happen...

I remember that shit, I was a kiddie though. By the way, the poles have shifted more than once in the history of humans. Its no biggie. Now that earth wobbling out of orbit, that would be much crazier.

Originally Posted by snapshot182

Is this significant?Later you state that what you can assure me that is that you believe in this statement.You later state that's your belief. Also, according to the law of conservation of energy, there has been the same amount of matter and energy since the be