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[JcP]

andy, I'm down with the flower of life, but I'm curious what exactly this all means to you? Like...finding all those runic letters in the flower of life means what in terms of awareness, spirituality, love, etc?

your passion about this is really intriguing...so help a brother out! Whatcha gettin at?

[andymonk]

The complete flower of life links the whole of humanity consciously together. I believe,when enough people see the complete flower of life and the tipping point is reached,something similar to the hundreth monkey syndrome will activate. At the higher levels of feemasonry they know this and have been keeping the complete flower hidden from the rest of humanity. The complete flower of life is what the square and compass of freemasonry really sybolize.

[JcP]

if people see the flower of life?

1) Isn't it all over ancient artwork and buildings? Billions of people have seen the flower of life, have they not?
2) Why would freemasons hide this from humanity if it would lead to peace? Are you suggesting they are secret overlords? What power do they draw from a symbol? Do they have secret stargates which create money? I'm actually asking, not being silly. What power does a symbol give? And what power does one draw from this, other than self-actualization and awareness of the interconnectedness of all life?

lastly,
3) The flower of life is a geometric formula. You can find anything in there based off of geometry, right angles, equal sides, etc. while the properties of such a thing is fascinating, do you apply the same "secretness" you apply to the freemason symbol to that of everything else? The cross? the symbol on pepsi cans? The disney castle?

[andymonk]

Originally Posted by JcP

if people see the flower of life?

1) Isn't it all over ancient artwork and buildings? Billions of people have seen the flower of life, have they not?
2) Why would freemasons hide this from humanity if it would lead to peace? Are you suggesting they are secret overlords? What power do they draw from a symbol? Do they have secret stargates which create money? I'm actually asking, not being silly. What power does a symbol give? And what power does one draw from this, other than self-actualization and awareness of the interconnectedness of all life?

lastly,
3) The flower of life is a geometric formula. You can find anything in there based off of geometry, right angles, equal sides, etc. while the properties of such a thing is fascinating, do you apply the same "secretness" you apply to the freemason symbol to that of everything else? The cross? the symbol on pepsi cans? The disney castle?

Yes,the incomplete(first layer of three)flower of life is found and can be seen all over the world. The complete flower cannot be seen as it has been hidden. I think you should read the rest of the thread.

[JcP]

I've read the thread andy . google "flower of life" and there's over 133 million links. It's not exactly "hidden." Your three layer flower on your website is cool...but my questions below are still valid I think.

That being said, you might be right about a tipping point and what it represents!

I'm not challenging your beliefs here, I'm just asking for clarification out of interest from my beliefs. I find all kinds of things like this fascinating, and your passion about this makes my ears perk up. But I'm not quite following what you're getting at yet....

Mostly about what exactly you think this symbol does. You said the freemasons have been keeping this secret (and the implication is that it's been kept secret maliciously). I would assume they keep it secret because it gives them power and/or denies the rest of us power? What power do you get by seeing the symbol? You said this symbol links the whole of humanity consciously together. What do you mean by this?
Do you mean once someone sees the complete flower of life they become some form of telepathic, linking them consciously with the rest of humanity? Do you mean it will make people recognize we are all part of the same system? How is this realization any different than remembering "the golden rule?"

If you can answer my question about geometry with the flower of life, that would be cool too. It's great you can find the freemason symbol in there. But that's what the flower of life is...a design that, by default, includes any symbology with those types of angles. Does that mean that all other groups, products, religions, words, etc. that can be found in the flower of life are also "in on it" ?

thanks andy!

[andymonk]

Is it a coincidence that the geometry of snowflakes match the template? MAYBE QUARTERLY - Vol 4 / Issue 4 - FLower of Life

[Praise Jah]

Originally Posted by andymonk

The complete flower of life links the whole of humanity consciously together. I believe,when enough people see the complete flower of life and the tipping point is reached,something similar to the hundreth monkey syndrome will activate. At the higher levels of feemasonry they know this and have been keeping the complete flower hidden from the rest of humanity. The complete flower of life is what the square and compass of freemasonry really sybolize.

Drinking, smoking and fornicating are what masons do best though.

[Hedons]

E8-like?

http://www.yahooka.com/forum/spiritu...verything.html



-Hedons

[koshiva]

The first pic of the snowflake is exquisite.

One time when tripping on fungi listening to classical music I started to draw geometric shapes - mostly triangles which at the time seemed as though they were the basic building blocks of all existence; or at least the physical manifestations of reality. So one could start with simple geometric forms and build onto them to create higher forms and so on. A similar theme has somewhat permeated several mushy journey's for me. Geometry.

One notices picto-grams or mandala's or complex geometric designs in mosques for example - ussually they are built up from very simple shapes. Some of them may hold your gaze - have a person mesmerised as though to suggest something perhaps familiar is observed; beyond the vissual. Ancient reflections of timelessness? Or the heart of creation?

[andymonk]

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[JcP]

Originally Posted by JcP

I've read the thread andy . google "flower of life" and there's over 133 million links. It's not exactly "hidden." Your three layer flower on your website is cool...but my questions below are still valid I think.

That being said, you might be right about a tipping point and what it represents!

I'm not challenging your beliefs here, I'm just asking for clarification out of interest from my beliefs. I find all kinds of things like this fascinating, and your passion about this makes my ears perk up. But I'm not quite following what you're getting at yet....

Mostly about what exactly you think this symbol does. You said the freemasons have been keeping this secret (and the implication is that it's been kept secret maliciously). I would assume they keep it secret because it gives them power and/or denies the rest of us power? What power do you get by seeing the symbol? You said this symbol links the whole of humanity consciously together. What do you mean by this?
Do you mean once someone sees the complete flower of life they become some form of telepathic, linking them consciously with the rest of humanity? Do you mean it will make people recognize we are all part of the same system? How is this realization any different than remembering "the golden rule?"

If you can answer my question about geometry with the flower of life, that would be cool too. It's great you can find the freemason symbol in there. But that's what the flower of life is...a design that, by default, includes any symbology with those types of angles. Does that mean that all other groups, products, religions, words, etc. that can be found in the flower of life are also "in on it" ?

thanks andy!

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[andymonk]

More and more are getting on board,even freemasons. Sacred Geometry; The Flower of Life Flower of Life - Sacred Geometry MAYBE QUARTERLY - Vol 4 / Issue 4 - FLower of Life Flower of Life

[JcP]

I tried. Good luck andy!

[ziplock]

Good stuff guys, I always find this stuff interesting.

JcP my friend, I hope I can provide some sort of illumination on the matter. A symbol is a representation, the ability to recognize the meaning behind a symbol is dependent on the viewers understanding and association. The cross symbol for instance can represent many different things for different people.

On a grander scale, symbols have always been a tool of understanding for people. Guideposts to the actual experience. There is a tendency however for the line to be blurred between the symbols and the meaning or experience. Characteristics of the experience bleed through into the symbol and in the end the symbol is seen as the experience. You then have the establishment of thought that leads to religions for instance. Quite simply a competition of symbols.

There is then the trigger mechanism. The touch of God, the revelation, the enlightenment, etc. Something hits you, flips the trigger, then boom your turned on. This trigger mechanism is designed, produced, marketed and sold under some sort of brand name. They then attempt to gain monopolies in the market.

I do not really believe in the trigger mechanism. I think it's a gradual process like the rest of life and has only been misunderstood as this sudden thing. Tons of groundwork has to be laid. So "seeing the flower of life" isn't something that can be dominated or owned and hidden away. Honestly, if you didn't know HOW to look at the symbol, the flower of life, then you won't gain that full experience anyways. It's subconscious for a lot of us how we view daily events and people, let alone specific symbols.

So what is basically being meant, is this understanding of life is being hidden through various means from the perception and realization of the masses. They masses are rendered to be unable to see the meaning behind the symbol, that experience or understanding of life. We seek the symbol when what the symbol is representing is right infront of us.

This in the end is simply a demonstration of one of the ways I choose to view this subject. One can view it in a countless number of ways and draw a countless number of experiences. That's really the beauty of it all.

[JcP]

Ziplock, thanks for the reply in here.

I, of course, totally understand what you're saying. My main question is surrounding the undercurrent of conspiracies and/or magical "moment" that have been attributed to the symbol's proliferation.

Andymonk seems to be implying that he is holding the holy grail. Which is fine. But if the symbol itself is the holy grail, I'm not sure what power it has.

And if it's some secrets about the symbol itself, I'm not sure that it's been mentioned yet.

It just seems like it's a continual posting of geometric images that fit inside a pattern that by its very definition can hold all types of images.

The connection made to freemasonry for instance...the connection was made because you can draw the freemason sign in the flower of life.

But you can also find thousands upon thousands of other symbols in that pattern. Andymonk seems to think freemasonry is "in on it" because their symbol is in there. Is Zune media player in on it too because their symbol can be found in it? Playstation 3? Fox News' icon?

So I was asking what the connection is. They freemasons have been keeping this symbol secret? Why? What's the reason? Is it an unknown?

I guess I'm just curious what exactly andymonk is trying to suggest by saying that if people see this symbol somehow things will change.

And I'm actually interested. I could just as easily ignore this thread, but I see how passionate he is about it. And I want some sort of something to help explain what exactly he's getting at.

What you posted, Ziplock, is all very well and true. But Andymonk isn't simply stating this symbol is important in the same way the cross is. He's suggesting that it's somehow the key to "heaven" the key to all creation...the answer to the meaning of life.

And yet when asked about how/why, he doesn't even answer. which makes me sad because I'm really interested in how he is coming to these conclusions and would love to ask some questions....like why freemasons would keep a symbol secret...what power do they get for keeping it to themselves?

[ziplock]

Ah my apologies should've been more on point with the last post.

Originally Posted by JcP

Andymonk seems to be implying that he is holding the holy grail. Which is fine. But if the symbol itself is the holy grail, I'm not sure what power it has.

This would be an example of the line being blurred between what the symbol is and what it represents. I do not believe that the symbol itself is something that is hidden because as I said one needs the correct understanding to extract a particular meaning from a symbol. Therefore that whole school of knowledge being represented by that symbol would have to be hidden as well.

It's more likely then that this is more representative of the masses being conditioned and manipulated to have certain values, behaviors, interests, views, etc, that are conducive to a social structure that benefits a select few the most. The ones "hiding" it. The perspective and experience that is represented by the flower of life symbol is the apparent antithesis of this. The agent that undoes the chemical bonds that hold the whole structure together. This perspective is then hidden from the masses through the means of conditioning, manipulation, etc.

The symbol itself is then a means to relate to and come to understand this experience and perspective. Many religions and beliefs have various forms of this sort of concept within them. Quite interesting...

So in short, the symbol doesn't have any direct power or energy. The energy it provides is indirect... or in other words potential energy that must be realized and put into motion through a process such as life. I like that wording better. This is of course simply my perspective.

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by ziplock

I do not really believe in the trigger mechanism. I think it's a gradual process like the rest of life and has only been misunderstood as this sudden thing. Tons of groundwork has to be laid.

Tons of groundwork must indeed be laid, but what about when that groundwork is finished -- or nearly finished? For example, consider your fetal development. Your steps toward maturity from fertilized cell to infant were myriad and gradual, yet at the end of that gradual journey was a sudden, dare I say, trigger mechanism which catapulted you from the only world you had ever known into a wholly new one: removing you from your former closed system and placing you squarely within an experiential grid whose mystery is matched only by its vastness.

Before that point, a long line -- descending deep into the ages, it might seem -- of ancestor cells had previously made up your body. The work your cellular forbears wrought was ancient and gradual, slowly laying the foundation for the next generation's work. When it was finished, your cells would hardly have known -- and neither could they hardly have imagined -- the fantastic ride upon which they were poised to embark.

[ziplock]

Good afternoon verk

Originally Posted by verklingen

Tons of groundwork must indeed be laid, but what about when that groundwork is finished -- or nearly finished? For example, consider your fetal development. Your steps toward maturity from fertilized cell to infant were myriad and gradual, yet at the end of that gradual journey was a sudden, dare I say, trigger mechanism which catapulted you from the only world you had ever known into a wholly new one: removing you from your former closed system and placing you squarely within an experiential grid whose mystery is matched only by its vastness.

The problems that I face when looking at things this way is how does one go about drawing the lines? What classifies as sudden? How does relativity tie into this? Can something that is sudden from one view point be gradual in another? How does the trigger mechanism work?

To add another analogy to draw from... Let us look at it like a joke. A joke is a gradual process of setting up the various groundwork that the joke depends on. Once this is done, the punchline is delivered, a realization occurs, we perceive the humour in it, and we laugh. For arguments sake we'll say the more unexpected the punchline is, the more sudden the realization, the funnier the joke. The punchline then would be the triggering mechanism, no? Once it is delivered, it hits the switch that makes you laugh at the rest of it.

This makes a good case for the presence of the trigger mechanism. A lot of individuals use the analogy of a joke to describe their spiritual experiences. Looking at the anatomy of a joke more... The punchline is part of a gradual evolution and is as dependent and relative to the rest of the joke as the joke is to it. The punchline of one joke won't work for the punchline of another. The efficiency of the punchline is also dependent on the listeners expectancy of it (ever read some Buddhist based literature that tells one not to expect anything during meditation/the path of enlightenment?). It's efficiency is also dependent on the listeners knowledge and deduction. What happens when one deduces the joke prior to the delivery of a punchline?

I find that viewing it as this mechanism that flips on a trigger is circumstantial. Viewing it as a culmination of forces and energy that accelerate the processes within the system to be much more accurate. The groundwork is then these various processes integrating and adding to the net energy of the system. As this energy increases, the processes have more to draw on, accelerating them. This continues until the system in a sense overloads itself and is blown apart. The overall energy has changed (for instance say through the systems processes it converted whatever into Nitrogen, etc, so now the energy present after the overload contains more Nitrogen) and from this changed energy a new system based on processed components starts to bring itself together.

It's then not so much seen as state1 -> transition -> state2. It's a process that at certain points concentrates energy. This is how I look at martial arts. Form1 -> Transition -> Form2 becomes one fluid process the transition and the form inseparable from one another. Water. The trigger mechanism isn't dependent on a certain set of forms, it's instead a process that manifests when the contributing factors are in place. It cannot be monopolized or owned by any particular school of forms or thought.

In hindsight of course my wording could have been better. That is something I will remember for the next time.

[verklingen]

I thought I posted here earlier but I guess not. Thanks for the clarification, ziplock. I could stand to clarify a bit also.

A joke is a communication that works through the mechanics of linearity. The joke-teller possesses all parts of the joke simultaneously, and as such it can be said that his grasp on the joke is non-linear. To humor the listener he reveals elements of the joke in a progressive manner, setting up the punchline.

A punchline, to me, is simple satisfaction. In our lives, a punchline can be something like driving to the store just as another shopper is pulling out of a space right in front. So while "behind the scenes" things like this require some kind of set-up, the entire set-up is not comprehended as must be the case to enjoy a joke. In other words, you can enjoy having the nice parking space without having to wonder who left it and why. Indeed, from your perspective a long series of punchlines can be experienced subsequently without ever paying mind to whatever gradual transitions were necessary for them to occur.

This is something called "living in the moment," a concept which I've long heard about but am only just now beginning to comprehend.

[JcP]

so who's telling the joke of life to me?

made me smile when I thought that life's joke is the "knock knock who's there banana" knock knock joke...