Unknown ancient(sacred)geome try

[andymonk]

Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life? I would appreciate any opinions. Unknown ancient(sacred)geome try/ 4Love and light 2allx X

[Ego Tripping]

The Flower Of Life isn't so much a completion but a blueprint. The Flower Of Life extends infinitely in all directions.

[JcP]

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

The Flower Of Life isn't so much a completion but a blueprint. The Flower Of Life extends infinitely in all directions.

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edit: look at the design. You can "cut it off" at many different sizes and it's the same pattern. How is an infinite pattern ever finished?
what's interesting is that there are seven "strands" of lines from each white circle and seven "lines" of circles coming out from the center one.

But take it a level above. Each "finished" flower can be one "white circle" in a LARGER expression of the flower of life.

[andymonk]

Originally Posted by JcP

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edit: look at the design. You can "cut it off" at many different sizes and it's the same pattern. How is an infinite pattern ever finished?
what's interesting is that there are seven "strands" of lines from each white circle and seven "lines" of circles coming out from the center one.

But take it a level above. Each "finished" flower can be one "white circle" in a LARGER expression of the flower of life.

Your right,its a ringed sample of a continious pattern.

[verklingen]

Am I alone in seeing a similar pattern pretty frequently, while high or whatever? I even remember last time I ate mushrooms staring at my reflection in the mirror for quite a long while because my shirt was showcasing that pattern like a lattice.

[Ego Tripping]

Originally Posted by verklingen

Am I alone in seeing a similar pattern pretty frequently, while high or whatever? I even remember last time I ate mushrooms staring at my reflection in the mirror for quite a long while because my shirt was showcasing that pattern like a lattice.

First time I ever found out about the Golden Spiral was during my mushroom trips. I never even realized/saw the shape until I saw it everywhere.

[Ego Tripping]

Originally Posted by JcP

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edit: look at the design. You can "cut it off" at many different sizes and it's the same pattern. How is an infinite pattern ever finished?
what's interesting is that there are seven "strands" of lines from each white circle and seven "lines" of circles coming out from the center one.

But take it a level above. Each "finished" flower can be one "white circle" in a LARGER expression of the flower of life.

I think you are agreeing but I am not sure.

[Patrick Rue]

Originally Posted by verklingen

Am I alone in seeing a similar pattern pretty frequently, while high or whatever? I even remember last time I ate mushrooms staring at my reflection in the mirror for quite a long while because my shirt was showcasing that pattern like a lattice.

Ive always found it interesting that my visuals on mushrooms lined up with ancient indian/asian carvings on temples. Being that I had no prior (conscious) knowledge of the art.

[JcP]

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

I think you are agreeing but I am not sure.

I am and I'm not.

That pattern is a complete "section" of the flower. It's a completed circle where the "full" circle is what each small circle is. All the small circles create the 5 "lines" you see in them but in the "megacircle" that the entire picture creates. so on this point it is a "complete" flower.

But I agree with you (obviously) that this pattern goes on forever. Since this "full flower" is merely one circle in the inevitable "level up" of the pattern that is infinite.

[Transcend]

Originally Posted by Geeno

Ive always found it interesting that my visuals on mushrooms lined up with ancient indian/asian carvings on temples. Being that I had no prior (conscious) knowledge of the art.

Isn't it possible that you just ate the same type of mushrooms that they were eating (and were in the same mindset while taking them etc.) when they did the drawing causing you both to see the same images? Could this be true for whoever created the ancient flower image and the relation to mushies?

Just playing devils advocate, not saying I agree with this!

[Mafoo]

Originally Posted by JcP

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edit: look at the design. You can "cut it off" at many different sizes and it's the same pattern. How is an infinite pattern ever finished?
what's interesting is that there are seven "strands" of lines from each white circle and seven "lines" of circles coming out from the center one.

But take it a level above. Each "finished" flower can be one "white circle" in a LARGER expression of the flower of life.

it is quite metaphorical, think of how connected everything is...

[JcP]

Originally Posted by Transcend

Isn't it possible that you just ate the same type of mushrooms that they were eating (and were in the same mindset while taking them etc.) when they did the drawing causing you both to see the same images? Could this be true for whoever created the ancient flower image and the relation to mushies?

Just playing devils advocate, not saying I agree with this!

yes. But two people seeing truth the same way doesn't negate it as truth, does it?

[andymonk]

Originally Posted by Mafoo

it is quite metaphorical, think of how connected everything is...

Yes,the symbol is a small part of the continuous pattern of creation. X

[koshiva]

Any hallucinatory imagry(behind closed eye lids) I ever saw after having ingested the mushrooms, generally always had a very geometric theme to it. Whether they were basic static patterns or animations with exquisite complexity.

Something about shrooms seems to me to be much more aligned with an entity as opposed to merely a drug induced state of mind in which one could 'imagine' anything. At one time I thought of shrooms and what they do as 'The little men going to work'. Ie the shrooms had presense in themselves.

What I think Transcend was alluding to was if the pattern as painted or created was a template for a synthesis of minds at a particular point in time. Or at least thats what I got from it....? Like the symbol could be much more than just a design and actually represents something far more expansive than its mere appearance.

Astro travelling is something some people claim to do at will, in their dreams perhaps. Going to worlds and places. The question is, if the places they go are real places or contructs of their own imaginations? Now I know an easy explantion some would say would be that if they imagined it, it was real and makes no difference. I do see a difference.

Like apart from the geometry, while on shrooms I once saw this massive space ship which had a vibrational hum which just permeated its presense. It was like a massive machine/geometric form which was the basis for all reality as we know it. Like the matrix a little, but I was witnessing it from outside.

Speaking of geome though, or supposed sacredness - this is something I spoke of in spiritual smoke a while back. The last time I used Mdma...I had a most peculiar encounter in which in my minds eye I was visited by Bhudist monks who were seemingly meditateing in a far off temple. But the monks...a group of them - one face stood out in the ether - and smiled at me, almost a chuckle from said monk - like an acknowledgement, as if he was saying to me just through his facial expression that he was humoured by my finally having discovered such a phenomenon and/or them. I'd even say, that among that sense of feeling, I had from him too, almost a sense of embarassment or perhaps self conciousness...as if I had caught him/them out and that they had had the ability to be any where, with any one, at any time(like voyeurs..though thats not what the purpose was).

It felt as if we had all just met on some highway in the sky. What occured to me later - despite it seeming so real, was if it was indeed possible that it had happened. I allow for both sides and besides, imagination is priceless. And if it were possible to do as I thought I did, maybe in the case of the monks and other initiated people who study and practice meditation for years, going up to higher and higher levels(secrets), as one is allowed or skilled enough - that there is indeed certain states of mind in which it is possible to actually do what I have described, ie astro travel. And that in my case, it wasn't that I willed myself there, it was just that at that particular moment in time the frequency of my thought processes was in sync with theirs. Accidental or for a reason?

Kind of reminds me, 'symbols'...they in themselves can I believe induce certain subtle states of conciousness. Have you ever noticed that certain patterns or designs or forms or sculptures just make you gaze mesmerised? Many ancient symbols of importance were designed with that in mind, like some churchs and mosques. Just like music can alter conciousness...

The monks though....a time before....I had pondered that they were up to some deep deep stuff just with their insense(ie influence). By having designed secret recipes and mixing specific important ingredients they could effect conciousness changes all over the world. I suppose much like a good perfume can evoke certain states such as sensuousness or lust, or relaxtion but on a much more elabourate scale. And in regard to that, insense for ocassions, and various states of mind. I bet though, the recipes and even the processes and purposes behind much of that is kept under wraps since its a bit more intricate than mere aromatherapy.

Now there is imagination, but there is also energy which is all. Indeed perception can be said to be just as real as actuality and therefore it does make no difference which is which but for survival. For myself though, in allowing for the objectivity rather than running down the road shouting 'I am saved...Jesus is here'...I had this said phenomenon of entities for example, proved beyond reasonable doubt when on another ocassion which was the most profound experience ever....my beloved dog reacted to its presense too.

Only ever happened three times, and on shrooms or Mdma...like the time I could swear plants had a form of conciousness too which I could feel, and see.

You know why they say drugs are dangerous huh? mahahhaa

[verklingen]

You think monks from the past created a network of astral planes which can be intersected by vibrating a certain frequency? Interesting take, but I would say that you're cluing yourself in to something from that other plane: that that monk is being used by your Higher Self as a catalyst for growth. I would also venture to say that that monk is perhaps a component of your Higher Self, and that he was like a cosmic wink to you to lead you in a direction for a specific purpose: to show or reveal something to you. This thing may have something do to with following your excitement.

If you choose to interpret it as a monk-created network of checkpoints, perhaps that is the direction toward which you ought to be lead. It will certainly reveal more enticing phenomena should you pursue it.

edit: All IMO of course.

[koshiva]

Astral plains? Yes something like that I guess. More so that any such astral plain is just a place beyond the physical manifestations of the earth where one can go if you can meditate your mind at specific frequencies.

Did the monks come to me, or did I go to them? Or were they, as you suggest, just some kind of symbolic fragment of my own mind which was some how representative of a deeper purpose? Could even be that the whole experience was just like a dream...'imagined only', or even 'delusion'....but as I said above, because of the experience which was almost similar, with the dog happened, I sway very much toward it having been a real phenomenon and would explain why monks can just meditate for so many hours non stop. Its not like they just sit there emptying their minds necessarily even if thats possible too. I am sure that meditation itself could have many different frequencies or modes of use, or purpose...just like the different insense scents, or different musical tunes or symbols.

Indeed I speculated in that other thread, that when some monks chant or hum together, the whole monestary acts like a speaker to the world and that frequency goes into the ether which can be recieved by many other things/people. Different frequencies have different effects...like music can. There is scientific research also into the whole alpha, theta, beta waves of the brain too so its 'possible'.

With meditation...the higher one goes, the more you can achieve...like doors are opened for you. Sort of like being able to balance well through harnessing the minds eye...if you focus and relax, it comes easy...the moment you get excited and become aware of your abilities it bekons movement and you fall.

I never felt like it was something I wanted to persue at all...funnily enough. When it happened, I experienced that feeling for perhaps a minute only and thought that I should not dwell there and instead reflect on what had happened later when I was sober even though at the time I felt breathless because of what had happened...facinated , maybe even afraid too...surprised...bu t not quite to the extent that it was totally unexpected.

Its not uncommon for some to claim they heard a song before they wrote it, or saw a picture before they painted it...ie they came from outside themselves as opposed to just a reflection of something that artist created. I certainly think sometimes I hear music from afar rather than it being random songs just awakening from memories.

[andymonk]

Originally Posted by andymonk

Is this symbol the COMPLETE ancient flower of life? I would appreciate any opinions. Unknown ancient(sacred)geome try/ 4Love and light 2allx X

I believe,the COMPLETE ancient flower of life is a window into the hidden continuous pattern of creationx