Higher Power

[spicoli]

^I'm not shoving my shit down anyone's throat, thank you. I was reiterating a point. No judgement on others who don't agree with me, i've said it before.

[gweetar]

Wow, Spicoli - instead of arguing intelligently, you simply rely on, "I believe what I believe and you don't. Simply put." Instead of even attempting to argue what I said you just dismiss it with a non-thinking comment.

I guess I challenged your ways of thinking - I see how angry you got. When you can answer how ALL religions can be the one, true religion, then get back to me.

And, I don't really know what you're talking about when you say "You don't KNOW shit about what's going to happen when you die." I never said I did. But, in a foxhole, I'm never going to pray to God, or Jesus, of Buddha, or a gold idol (hmmm...which people also used to worship)...No made up religious figure is going to save me. That I DO KNOW.

Vik*star* - think you're an intelligent poster, but your foxhole comments are not a legitimate point. People, when faced with imminent death, will try ANYTHING. Is it praying, or a form of hoping and wishing? I can sit in a foxhole, with guns blazing, and grenades flying and pray to God, Buddha, Jesus, Confuscious, Gary Coleman, it doesn't matter. let's say I DO pray to God and Buddha. What does that mean? Hmmm....two different beliefs and ways of thinking- not the same religion. In your last wanes of death you could simply be praying to Jesus just cause, well, "might as well give it a shot" cause you've sure got nothing to lose. You'll try anything.

Think about it - have you tried or thought something you knew wouldn't make a difference, but you tried it anyway cause you might as well? I have.

And, because your uncle, one human being, got religous doesn't mean I will, or the guy who lives next door to me will, or... My dad died years ago, won't go into it, and he never "got religion" like your uncle. There was no praying to anyone.

You asked, what is, can't exist? Huh? Before I was born, I didn't exist. After I die, I won't exist.

[Flamingnun]

Originally Posted by gweetar

After I die, I won't exist.

Technically you will, all energy's transferred. You just wont exist as a person.

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by gweetar

You can't just conveniently choose the religion that works for you.

just who are you to tell people what they can and cannot choose?

[matthewmunari]

Ive seriously crossed over, told I had to come back...(most of you know my story) anyhow, there definitely is more than this existence....our energies(thats all we are ) gets transferred at the moment of death, an we do not need our bodies (vehicles) anymore...some people drive Corvettes (metaphorically speaking), some people drive pieces of shit...but We all have a soul.....

[Vik*star*]

""You asked, what is, can't exist? Huh? Before I was born, I didn't exist. After I die, I won't exist.""

The problem with your argument is, if we didn't exist before, then how come we magically came into existence? I mean non-existence should be non existence, what this argument is doing is correlating non-existance and existance which is not possible. Here I'll try to explain in simpler terms:

Lets take non-existance as place A
And existance as place B

Now you were in place A before you were born
Now mum and Dad produces you and you come in to Place B
You die and go back into place A

This is where argument dies: What makes me/you think that we can't come back to place B again.

The thing is if existance can come from non-existance which is what above argument is basically stating, then after life is possible even if you are non-existant after death.

And if you don't correlate non-existance and existance, that would mean we always existed before birth and hence we will exist after death.

[spicoli]

Originally Posted by gweetar

Wow, Spicoli - instead of arguing intelligently, you simply rely on, "I believe what I believe and you don't. Simply put." Instead of even attempting to argue what I said you just dismiss it with a non-thinking comment.

I guess I challenged your ways of thinking - I see how angry you got. When you can answer how ALL religions can be the one, true religion, then get back to me.

And, I don't really know what you're talking about when you say "You don't KNOW shit about what's going to happen when you die." I never said I did. But, in a foxhole, I'm never going to pray to God, or Jesus, of Buddha, or a gold idol (hmmm...which people also used to worship)...No made up religious figure is going to save me. That I DO KNOW.

Vik*star* - think you're an intelligent poster, but your foxhole comments are not a legitimate point. People, when faced with imminent death, will try ANYTHING. Is it praying, or a form of hoping and wishing? I can sit in a foxhole, with guns blazing, and grenades flying and pray to God, Buddha, Jesus, Confuscious, Gary Coleman, it doesn't matter. let's say I DO pray to God and Buddha. What does that mean? Hmmm....two different beliefs and ways of thinking- not the same religion. In your last wanes of death you could simply be praying to Jesus just cause, well, "might as well give it a shot" cause you've sure got nothing to lose. You'll try anything.

Think about it - have you tried or thought something you knew wouldn't make a difference, but you tried it anyway cause you might as well? I have.

And, because your uncle, one human being, got religous doesn't mean I will, or the guy who lives next door to me will, or... My dad died years ago, won't go into it, and he never "got religion" like your uncle. There was no praying to anyone.

You asked, what is, can't exist? Huh? Before I was born, I didn't exist. After I die, I won't exist.

gweetar, you are very wrong about my response. how could you possibly draw anger from what i posted?
my comment about you not knowing shit about what's gonna happen when you die came from your post saying 'i KNOW a religious entity is not going to come down and save me.' or something to that effect.
please don't insult my intelligence by not wanting to 'argue' the existence of God with an athiest. it is pointless. i do not have the desire to go round and round with someone to which there is no end to the argument. Christianity is based largely on faith, which you do not subscribe to.
i wished to share my personal beliefs, and what i think God's master plan is. you don't have to agree with me, i don't care. i didn't care to debate you on the matter, and still don't. but i ain't mad at ya.

[matthewmunari]

in the other thread 21 grams, they have posts regarding the weight of your soul at death

[matthewmunari]

[quote=Flamingnun;515 83289]Technically you will, all energy's transferred. You just wont exist as a person.[/QUO

Technically your right, energy is transferred, but no one knows what lies beyond deaths door....when I died, they fixed the parts that were fucked up (hand, wrist)., the dr.'s saved me, but not before i was dead for a few seconds, and i remember ALL OF IT ..... I knew my hand was paralyzed before i woke up from the coma, explain that..its impossible

[gweetar]

All right, everybody - we all have our opinions.

And, no, I don't count existing as energy as EXISTING. You, me, everybody grew from an embryo. You - your thoughts, who you are, how you think, how you look, your physical state, did not exist before you were born.

Vik - you certainly can talk in circles. For that, I congratulate you.

A seed is just that - a seed. Nothing more. It becomes a huge tree (in this case). That tree did not exist before, and please don't tell me it did. Even that seed didn't exist before. It grew out of another tree, which grew out of another tree. Yes, obviously existance is based on previous existance. Just not yours. So, I do think existance of a living form is based on the existance of another form. but, it's not you. You didn't create you in any form. You aren't floating around as energy waiting to come into existance. If your mother had married another man, not your father, you wouldn't be the same person you are today. If she'd married yet a different man, instead, you wouldn't be the same person you are today. Depending on whom your mother is with, you can be a billion different people, ETC. Who you are depends on so many random things, it's impossible to count. Just whom your mother happened to marry and where you got your male genetics from, their overall genetics, how they ate, how healthy they were, did they smoke, contract a disease, do crack, etc. etc. Your mother might have been a completely different person based on whom her mother married, etc. Who you are is so random, it's amazing. You weren't some energy form just waiting to emerge.

Okay - I guess it is pointless to discuss, and no one seems to want to discuss my point about how ALL religions say they can be the one, true religon, which is impossible...

Still - we ALL have ONE thing in common. Now, where's my pipe?

Oh, and Spicoli, thanks for your words. You seem like a good person, so I don't like arguing with people on this site whom I like.

[matthewmunari]

a seed does grow into a tree......but where does the seed come from? another tree.......our minds cannot comprehend (wrap itself) around human creation....yeah sure, we fuck, and 9 months l8r a baby, but at some point, that baby begins to learn about the world, and its place in comparison to the world, it does't know much but the basic instincts, eat, sleep, shit....it depends on mommy 4 that, thats why the maternal bond is so strong..we are here to LEARN,LOVE,CRY, most of all LIVE......human bodies are all made up of the same components, the obvious being difference in sexes...... but why should we discount a book (the Bible) that may or may not have an ounce of truth in it?
Because, if it is even REMOTELY possible it could be true, we have to recognize it for what it is..An ancient text, written to help mankind, defintely not harm...I don't see "Thou shall hate" or "Thou may have sex with another mans wife" it has definite conservative overtones, but it also says God forgives, which, according to the Bible,you can be on your death bed, and your last dying breath accept Jesus as your savior, you're ok....thank goodness He's a forgiving and loving God, because we as a race, have committed countless unforgivable sins, daily, but He still loves us....

[spicoli]

Originally Posted by gweetar

All right, everybody - we all have our opinions.

And, no, I don't count existing as energy as EXISTING. You, me, everybody grew from an embryo. You - your thoughts, who you are, how you think, how you look, your physical state, did not exist before you were born.

Vik - you certainly can talk in circles. For that, I congratulate you.

A seed is just that - a seed. Nothing more. It becomes a huge tree (in this case). That tree did not exist before, and please don't tell me it did. Even that seed didn't exist before. It grew out of another tree, which grew out of another tree. Yes, obviously existance is based on previous existance. Just not yours. So, I do think existance of a living form is based on the existance of another form. but, it's not you. You didn't create you in any form. You aren't floating around as energy waiting to come into existance. If your mother had married another man, not your father, you wouldn't be the same person you are today. If she'd married yet a different man, instead, you wouldn't be the same person you are today. Depending on whom your mother is with, you can be a billion different people, ETC. Who you are depends on so many random things, it's impossible to count. Just whom your mother happened to marry and where you got your male genetics from, their overall genetics, how they ate, how healthy they were, did they smoke, contract a disease, do crack, etc. etc. Your mother might have been a completely different person based on whom her mother married, etc. Who you are is so random, it's amazing. You weren't some energy form just waiting to emerge.

Okay - I guess it is pointless to discuss, and no one seems to want to discuss my point about how ALL religions say they can be the one, true religon, which is impossible...

Still - we ALL have ONE thing in common. Now, where's my pipe?

Oh, and Spicoli, thanks for your words. You seem like a good person, so I don't like arguing with people on this site whom I like.

Thanks, Gweetar...your alright.
I've been reading a lot about NDE's lately, inspired by MatthewMunari's presence on the boards, and I read something that put into perfect words the way I've felt about what God wants for us spriritually...
During one man's very prolific exprerience, he asked his 'guide' whom he identified as Jesus, which religion was the 'one, true religion?'
Jesus replied, 'The one that leads you to God.'

[Vik*star*]

"A seed is just that - a seed. Nothing more. It becomes a huge tree (in this case). That tree did not exist before, and please don't tell me it did. Even that seed didn't exist before. It grew out of another tree, which grew out of another tree."

I didn't wanna argue further but sorry can't help take a dig at this


The energy that made that seed grow into huge tree always existed and will always exists. Call it all energy taken from photosynthesis or whatever.