Anybody tried self hypnosis with Marijuana

[Vik*star*]

Hey, I am interested in this. If anybody tried and succeded in this, can u tell me how do I stop my mind from wandering. Also is it effective to bring about long term memories into your mind.
I do no for sure that mj does enhance long term memory and if I concentrate too much, I usually go to sleep and waste my high.

Any suggestions

[Vik*star*]

Also what is differnece between hypnosis and meditation if any?

[Mescalito]

To me meditation is a way of calming the mind and making a way for the most important thoughts to come to mind. A sort of thought prioritising method.

Self hypnosis on the other hand is belief manipulation. It is creating the optimal mind set for achieving whatever you want to do through the use of suggestions that cover all the senses.

IMHO with your little problem of mind wandering.. You can combine these techniques to sort it out. The first step is to become aware of when your mind is wandering. Once you pin that down then you can cut the thoughts off short. For example you may say to yourself in your mind that pussy cats are so cute. When you realise just cut the sentence shorter and shorter.. so maybe at first you will catch it/become aware just at the end of you saying it.. so it would become 'pussy cats are so' and then as you get better at realising when your mind is wandering.. that is.. becoming aware of it.. the sentence or thought will get shorter and shorter until you actually stop your mind from wandering before it starts wandering.

This is not easy to explain so I hope you got the main part of it. Also at the same time you can use suggestions to create the optimal mindset for you to achieve this. For example you would say to yourself every day 'I will be aware when my thoughts start to wander'. You could say this after each meal for example.. the more the better. Also at the same time you can add more senses to your suggestion such as a visual aspect. Doing this makes it even stronger.

Essentially frequency + intensity of suggestion/imagination (inclusive of all the senses) + awareness of when it happens + what you want to actually do = solution. heh.. or something along those lines.

M

[Vik*star*]

Sweet thanks man, just one more query, meditation/hypnosis that you learn when you are high, does it carryover to normal life as well ie can I do meditation when I am not high once I become proficient in it in high. I no it can be different for each person, but whats you personal experience have been so far.

[Mescalito]

It depends how high i get. Ironically one of my big reasons for having a smoke these days is to do exactly what you want to stop. I enjoy the racing thoughts that swirl past my conscious mind bathed in sunshine coated pleasure.

So.. for meditation I want to quiet my mind. The way I learnt how to do it was close eyes in a relaxed environment and stop any thoughts that arise.. well not so much stop.. but ignore. The intention was and is to do this for a while until only the thoughts most important to you would arise.. and then do it some more.. shun off the thoughts.. then only the really important things on your mind will shine through. Once at that stage you should be in a state where you can look or analyse a thought without clouding it with other bombarding thoughts. In that sense it can give you the opportunity to scan through a myriad of different angles relating to this same thought.

So where was I.. hmm.. yes! It depends a lot on how smoking affects you during meditation.. and the same goes for me.. I have experienced good effects under, and not under the influence of the beautiful, MJ. I would say if you do the same meditation as I mentioned above then do whatever you need to to enable optimal conditions for that.. see what works for you. The more you do this.. like anything.. the more you start to take lessons from it.. or act in a similar manner when you are neither smoking or meditating. Contemplating things in 'daily life' takes on a more casual relaxed approach, which in turn, leads the way to openness for many other angles to be considered.

M

[ziplock]

To add to what Mescalito said...

I find both meditation and self hypnosis share in the initiation phase. That is both call for a relaxation, a centering of sorts. There are tons of different ways to do this but everyone's individual and as such you should find the best way for you. Explore the efficiency of different senses. For instance as Mescalito said, visualization can be a powerful tool. I find some people however have an inclination to other senses, such as auditory tools (music, etc), or focusing on bodily sensations, or emotional states. Currently I find starting by fostering the emotion of being relaxed and then carrying onto relaxing my body, then more of a visualization to be effective.Try em all, try them together, try none at all, do everything.

Once you've sort of achieved a deepened relaxed state, the two branch off in a sense. Meditation is more a disconnection, a submergence in the base. You attempt to turn off all the things that run habitually in the background of your life. The constant flow of thought, be it linguistically based or not. To challenge the attention and focus on your mind to be placid as opposed to the busy "noise" of everyday life. It is a difficult yet highly rewarding practice.

I find hypnosis to be more intentionally driven focus. You attempt to zero in on a certain memory, thought, whatever. It's similar to visualization, or attempting to achieve a dream-like state of "realistic" thought while wide awake. You achieve a centered base in order to make your mind agile, pliable, fluid. From there you begin to mold it through your desire. Meditation would then be in a sense remaining formless. Not being molded.

Really it is hard to draw a distinct line between the two as they utilize similar conscious mechanisms. They simply exercise slightly different aspects of fundamentally the same thing.

Ah yes, and marijuana. Marijuana alters the routine consciousness (unless marijuana's effects are the routine, then sobriety would have that effect) and as such can encourage ones mind to take a new view of things. This can be terribly beneficial. What you do while high will carry over to when sober. There will just be differences in the variables, for instance you may find it harder to relax yourself, or calm your mind. For some people the opposite may be true, when stoned they can't seem to calm their mind. It's really just a tool and it's about familiarizing yourself with that tool so that you can wield it in such a way to achieve the desired results.

[Vik*star*]

""You attempt to zero in on a certain memory, thought, whatever""

Oh yes Mr. Ziplock, thanks for that and this is part that is much easier to do for me when I am high (or super high) and impossible for me to do when I am sober. Perhaps I should keep a notebook handy next time I take a trip; and write down things centering around memories. Who knows where will it take, but its so much fun.

[Mescalito]

Nice post Ziplock.. as usual!

I would like to add an easy relaxation technique which is easy to do. Simply tense every muscle in your body.. one at a time and hold it for about ten seconds.. not too tense.. but tense enough. Then release it. Do that for every muscle and you will relax.

Hmm also another good easy one to do is to just become aware of every part of your body.. at first just parts.. and then move to be inclusive of feeling all parts at the same time. When you focus on a specific area you will feel a mild warm energy type sensation. This energy is relaxing and flows where your consciousness flows. I use the first method for 'physical' relaxation and the second method for 'mental' relaxation. But also for the second I have spent a few years now associating the energy feeling in my body with colours, each with their own meaning and use. Needless to say I can relax extremely quickly. I am almost pushing the five minutes boundary from sitting down to the time I am only aware of my breathing.. I AM my breathing. That state of consciousness is useful for doing many tasks.. most of all.. for 'inducing' the dream state.

M

[Vik*star*]

"That state of consciousness is useful for doing many tasks.. most of all.. for 'inducing' the dream state."

Hmm interesting. Thats what I want. Is it similar to Marijuana high? I've tried b4 but I cant hold on for long in that state b4 I get disturbed.
I'll def. try some techniques ova here.

[ziplock]

Like a marijuana high? Possibly. Really, it takes on many characteristics. I find marijuana to be like the relaxed state. When high focusing on body sensations to achieve a state of relaxation as outlined by Matchu is quite effective.

As for not being hold that state for too long before getting disturbed. That comes with time. It's like jogging. When you first start you may only be able to jog for short periods of time. With regular practice, the length of time you can job for gets longer. The same is for this, only now you are exercising your mind.