Debt Slavery

[JainVeganBuddha]

I have a bit to say about this, but Ill just get the convo started. This relates to how the money/financial/banking system is all fixed (hypothetically contrived values) and designed to create a subtle form of slavery through debt and economics in general.

The system works hand in hand with monopolies, prices, price fixing, real estate and mortgages (huge sums), taxes etc...and unfavorable conditions and demands of economic life. domination. this is truly getting 'owned'.

what are your thoughts and insights--solutions??-- on the topic?

[Canuck Wisdom]

If you want to enter the middle class its important to go to post-secondary education. If you do that, for many people in North America it is not affordable, and so you get student loan debt, which enters you into the debt economy for years to come.

[kamikazi89]

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

I have a bit to say about this, but Ill just get the convo started. This relates to how the money/financial/banking system is all fixed (hypothetically contrived values) and designed to create a subtle form of slavery through debt and economics in general.

The system works hand in hand with monopolies, prices, price fixing, real estate and mortgages (huge sums), taxes etc...and unfavorable conditions and demands of economic life. domination. this is truly getting 'owned'.

what are your thoughts and insights--solutions??-- on the topic?

it can be avoided..it wouldn't be easy, that's how the system "works" : quantity

[generic_hippie]

I don't refer to it as debt slavery, I prefer the term workerism.

Everybody must have a job, not a purpose mind you, a job, and its complete shite.

I walk around in cities and towns when I venture into them and I watch the miserable faces of people who are forced to perform redundant tasks just to justify their place in a society which has made no place for them.

Prime example - Check-out chicks, cash register people in supermarkets. A redundant career choice if ever their was one.

We have the technology to perform these tasks with more accuracy and less chance of corruption, so why should these girls have to stand there every day, all day and keep an inaccurate record of stock movements that could be better done by computer?

Why are they not encouraged to simply live a spiritual life and become better people few by the system thatcan well and truly afford to do so instead of obligating them to perform mindless and un-necessary tasks for minimum "wage"?

There are countless examples of redundancy I see everywhere in this society, people obligated to perform mindless tasks better performed by machinary with no hope of advancement or higher wages.

[kamikazi89]

it's a choice,& i agree, often children are used as ""the purpose"..and relationships..whate ver the working conditions people will always find a way to entertain themselves via drama(real life) tv covers the rest(vicariously)

*in china it might be different, i don't know*prison is prison if you ask me

[DubStyle311]

Originally Posted by generic_hippie

Why are they not encouraged to simply live a spiritual life and become better people few by the system thatcan well and truly afford to do so instead of obligating them to perform mindless and un-necessary tasks for minimum "wage"?

Why should they be encouraged? Anyone is free to drop out of society and live a spiritual life.

It'll be like Easy Rider...


lol

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by DubStyle311

Why should they be encouraged?

because encouragement in the inverse yields folk like you.

[DubStyle311]

Have you ever seen Easy Rider?

[verklingen]

naw.

[JainVeganBuddha]

well, we see, when people try to make their own little separate communities and and enclaves they often get raided violently by armies of armed cops. i think they are also demonized by the media excessively, often.

[JainVeganBuddha]

seems like $$$$$, which is artificial, is naturally corrupted at the source. but money is part of a multi-pronged system that also includes violence (police/military), organized religion, and secretive political corruption (a false show). At the top is a minority elite ruling class...this is part of a conspiracy that stretches back through the ages to ancient rome, greenland/iceland, switzerland, great britain... ancient egypt.

[Man in Black]

Originally Posted by verklingen

naw.

You should see it verk, you'd like it

[kamikazi89]

Originally Posted by JainVeganBuddha

well, we see, when people try to make their own little separate communities and and enclaves they often get raided violently by armies of armed cops. i think they are also demonized by the media excessively, often.

shhhh

[DubStyle311]

Originally Posted by Man in Black

You should see it verk, you'd like it

I guess I'm the only one whos seen Lost In America too. The whole Easy Rider stuff is a gag they do in that. I reccomend that as well. Sort of a satireized version of Easy Rider. Upper Middle Class malaise gets to Albert Brooks so he and his wife drop out of society. Things go terribly wrong. Hilarity ensues.

[generic_hippie]

Originally Posted by DubStyle311

Why should they be encouraged? Anyone is free to drop out of society and live a spiritual life.

Why should they be obligated to perform menial redundant tasks?

[DubStyle311]

Originally Posted by generic_hippie

Why should they be obligated to perform menial redundant tasks?

Noone is obliged to do anything in America, dude.

[generic_hippie]

do you even have a clue what this thread is about?

FFS, this is higher thoughts, how about you engage your brain or GTFO.

[The Rev]

I think Ego is a bigger problem than money, personally, but I can vouch for the debt slavery thing. I once calculated how long it would take to pay off my credit cards if I just made the minimum payments and it came out to something like 30 years. However, if I paid just $20 more, it dropped to 5 years. It became starkly apparent that minimum payments are carefully calculated to keep you bleeding gravy for the banks forever.

I've also noticed that as I start missing payments or having financial problems, I get more credit card offers in the mail. Usually from the worst offenders like Bank of America, HSBC, Capital One, etc; the ones that kick you the hardest when things get tough.

I got into the consumer debt trap like most people. When I was young, having a credit card made me feel important (more like a grown-up, which I still believed in back then). And with so much "must have" shit being thrust in my face all the time, I spent and spent. Buying things makes you feel better, generally, and in a disconnected world like we live in today (in the USA, at least), there's an everpresent need to feel better, to get a little reassurance.

And I believe that more than just the credit card companies are aware of this. In the USA, we have a serious problem with over-spending and over-eating. People live beyond their means in both areas, and I believe it's because so much advertising promises (usually implicitly) that with the purchase of Brand X comes some kind of fulfillment that no one has, but most of us still believe is real.

Personally, I have reached a point where "Fuck it!" is all I can say. I've stopped paying on my cards altogether, and won't pay again until I can reach some kind of settlement with my creditors. I know I made a commitment to pay back the money on the terms to which I agreed, but that commitment was a mistake, and I don't see how treading financial water forever is any kind of just payment for any debt. I know my credit rating is going right in the shitter, but I figure it will take less time to fix that than bleed enough money to satisfy the bank.

For you young people who haven't gotten into debt yet, take my word on this: you will be much happier if you never do.



The Rev