Believe it or not

medicinal only · 08-22-2008, 06:30 AM

Dear Jcp, Yes Thomas Paine said it and believed it. Read his book AGE OF REASON.

JcP · 08-22-2008, 10:34 AM

not sure why you made a new thread for this. I've read parts of THE Age of Reason, but don't remember that quote. Regardless, it's still a completely BS statement, which is interesting coming from someone who tended to say smart stuff from my perspective.

Dozer McDozer · 08-22-2008, 11:09 AM

just wtf are you talkin about

medicinal only · 08-22-2008, 01:05 PM

I stand corrected, the actual quote is: "Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true"....Thomas Paine. I had 2 years of philosophy in college, so I know of what I speak. I have a cynical perspective towards religion. I BELIEVE IN GOD. But I believe that much of the Scriptures is an interpretation of men. Also, I really don't feel comfortable arguing religion, I prefer to agree to disagree and leave it there.

medicinal only · 08-22-2008, 01:34 PM

Taking different perspectives towards religion. Not to worry.

Dozer McDozer · 08-22-2008, 03:43 PM

the bible shocked me when i was younger and it still does

some "lord" huh...

JcP · 08-22-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by medicinal only

I stand corrected, the actual quote is: "Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true"....Thomas Paine. I had 2 years of philosophy in college, so I know of what I speak. I have a cynical perspective towards religion. I BELIEVE IN GOD. But I believe that much of the Scriptures is an interpretation of men. Also, I really don't feel comfortable arguing religion, I prefer to agree to disagree and leave it there.

Well that makes the quote much more in line with what I'd expect from Paine. Still don't agree with it, but I'm glad he didn't say something as silly as what you originally said.

I agree with you about religion. Religion and Spirituality are two different things. One (spirituality) is the belief/faith in something more than what your 5 senses allows you to experience. The other (religion) is a set system of ritual in order for groups of people to express their spirituality with a common vocabulary.
the problem lies in how most religions eventually devolve into using that ritual and vocabulary.

medicinal only · 08-22-2008, 05:38 PM

Scare tactics, it was all designed to quell the hedonistic desert wanderers penchant for drunken orgies.

ziplock · 08-22-2008, 06:09 PM

The subject matter of spirituality and religion overlap constantly. Imo the only noteworthy difference is in how each go about expressing themselves. Religion is very structured, solid, rigid. It's foundation is grounded in it's scripture. It demands a conformity. A very isolated means of collective thinking, one that is really socially detrimental with today's diverse and globalized social environment.

In the past when there was less information available religion was solid and dominant. Now it's dissolving into spirituality. Before, the conclusions of a religions scripture were relatively unchallenged. Now there are many different areas of study that confront religion on many fronts. This forces repositioning and you can watch the evolution of these religions relative to the environment they're in.

One is a more "solid" form of thought that has many offerings to bestow on the mind that operates in that way. The other is a more "liquid" form of thought, and it is beginning to be a necessary adaption.

medicine only: The Thomas Paine quote sucks. Definitely don't agree. First one was decent though.

And Zoloft or Paxil? Man we're on a marijuana forum. Guess what I use for my chemical treatment of anger? I stay away from that prescription shit.

medicinal only · 08-22-2008, 06:50 PM

I don't agree with the psychiatric drugging either. It just that smoke doesn't evoke intense passion for anything in me, it helps me chill. Your thoughts on sprituality v.s. structured religion was very moving. Deep thoughts. I can't help myself though, Spinoza, Paine, Jefferson, and Nietzche, altered my thinking forever. However, Nietzche did go barking mad.

Dozer McDozer · 08-22-2008, 07:19 PM

In individuals, insanity is rare, but in groups, parties, nations and epochs it is the rule – Fredrick Nietzsche

medicinal only · 08-22-2008, 07:31 PM

Learn it, live it , love it. Poor ole' Nitetzche was the exception to his rule.

msicidron · 08-22-2008, 08:12 PM

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and zoloft or paxil? Man we're on a marijuana forum. Guess what i use for my chemical treatment of anger? I stay away from that prescription shit.

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08-22-2008, 06:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
medicinal only YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Believe it or not Dear Jcp, Yes Thomas Paine said it and believed it. Read his book AGE OF REASON.

08-22-2008, 11:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dozer McDozer yahookan Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: whaa...huh? Posts: 565 Thanks: 60 Thanked 45 Times in 41 Posts	just wtf are you talkin about __________________ An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it. - Mahatma Gandhi Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein It is a great source of error to believe that there is no perception in the soul besides those of which it is conscious – Gotffried Wilhelm Leibniz

08-22-2008, 01:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
medicinal only YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	I stand corrected, the actual quote is: "Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be true"....Thomas Paine. I had 2 years of philosophy in college, so I know of what I speak. I have a cynical perspective towards religion. I BELIEVE IN GOD. But I believe that much of the Scriptures is an interpretation of men. Also, I really don't feel comfortable arguing religion, I prefer to agree to disagree and leave it there. Last edited by medicinal only; 08-22-2008 at 01:31 PM. Reason: editing quote

08-22-2008, 03:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dozer McDozer yahookan Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: whaa...huh? Posts: 565 Thanks: 60 Thanked 45 Times in 41 Posts	the bible shocked me when i was younger and it still does some "lord" huh... __________________ An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it. - Mahatma Gandhi Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein It is a great source of error to believe that there is no perception in the soul besides those of which it is conscious – Gotffried Wilhelm Leibniz

08-22-2008, 06:09 PM	#9 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,985 Thanks: 10 Thanked 39 Times in 26 Posts	The subject matter of spirituality and religion overlap constantly. Imo the only noteworthy difference is in how each go about expressing themselves. Religion is very structured, solid, rigid. It's foundation is grounded in it's scripture. It demands a conformity. A very isolated means of collective thinking, one that is really socially detrimental with today's diverse and globalized social environment. In the past when there was less information available religion was solid and dominant. Now it's dissolving into spirituality. Before, the conclusions of a religions scripture were relatively unchallenged. Now there are many different areas of study that confront religion on many fronts. This forces repositioning and you can watch the evolution of these religions relative to the environment they're in. One is a more "solid" form of thought that has many offerings to bestow on the mind that operates in that way. The other is a more "liquid" form of thought, and it is beginning to be a necessary adaption. medicine only: The Thomas Paine quote sucks. Definitely don't agree. First one was decent though. And Zoloft or Paxil? Man we're on a marijuana forum. Guess what I use for my chemical treatment of anger? I stay away from that prescription shit. __________________ Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about. Rumi Those who hate most fervently must have once loved deeply; those who want to deny the world must have once embraced what they now set on fire. Kurt Tucholsky a spoken silence

08-22-2008, 01:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
medicinal only YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Taking different perspectives towards religion. Not to worry.

08-22-2008, 05:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
medicinal only YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Scare tactics, it was all designed to quell the hedonistic desert wanderers penchant for drunken orgies.

08-22-2008, 06:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
medicinal only YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	I don't agree with the psychiatric drugging either. It just that smoke doesn't evoke intense passion for anything in me, it helps me chill. Your thoughts on sprituality v.s. structured religion was very moving. Deep thoughts. I can't help myself though, Spinoza, Paine, Jefferson, and Nietzche, altered my thinking forever. However, Nietzche did go barking mad. Last edited by medicinal only; 08-22-2008 at 07:17 PM. Reason: mispell

08-22-2008, 07:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dozer McDozer yahookan Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: whaa...huh? Posts: 565 Thanks: 60 Thanked 45 Times in 41 Posts	In individuals, insanity is rare, but in groups, parties, nations and epochs it is the rule – Fredrick Nietzsche __________________ An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody will see it. - Mahatma Gandhi Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein It is a great source of error to believe that there is no perception in the soul besides those of which it is conscious – Gotffried Wilhelm Leibniz

08-22-2008, 07:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
medicinal only YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 98 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Learn it, live it , love it. Poor ole' Nitetzche was the exception to his rule.

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