Heavy use vs. abuse?

[Beyonder]

Originally Posted by Smaerd

Sweet, I never considered not being high a problem. If you do, you've probably lost your interaction with the sober world, if not yet you will.

Hm? You talking to me? I've been smoking three grams straight, every day, for the past 9 years. I'm still waiting. Oh, did I mention that I only smoke bongs? Continuously throughout the day? Like I said, still waiting.

Might wanna read into the smoking causing depression threads. Or does your depression cause you smoking? Trust me I've been there, and it's a long climb down(with any substance). Which is abuse by the way see my definition above...

Yeah. You, on the other hand, might want to read/listen up on neurology and psychology...

Anyway, some food for thought:

Point 1: CG Jung put it quitte nicely when he said that "there are no destructive situations, only destructive experiences".
Point 2: If all the so-called psychological effects of marijuana are really not attributable to marijuana, and if the physical effects that are attributable to it are so unimpressive, what, then, is marijuana? To my mind, the best term for marijuana is active placebo - that is, a substance whose apparent effects on the mind are actually placebo effects in response to minimal physiological action. Pharmacologists sometimes use active placebos (in contrast to inactive placebos like sugar pills) in drug testing; for example, nicotinic acid, which causes warmth and flushing, has been compared with hallucinogens in some laboratory experiments. But pharmacologists do not understand that all psychoactive drugs are really active placebos since the psychic effects arise from consciousness, elicited by set and setting, in response to physiological cues.
What No One Wants to Know About Marijuana by Dr. Andrew Weil (the bearded dude in your vid)
Erowid Cannabis Vaults : What No One Wants to Know About Marijuana, by Dr. Andrew Weil

Dr. Weil called weed an "active placebo", and keeping Jungs observation I mentioned in point 1 in mind, then it's easy to see how an active placebo could create a "destructive experience" (in this case, depression), because this would depend on the response or overreaction of the user. (BTW, if you want to get into the argument of free will in relation to neurology that's ok too, since I listened to 32 lectures by Robert Sapolsky... We should do that somewhere else though)

Besides, from a phenomenological perspective, depression is nothing more than an inability to control ones thoughts... An incompetence in philosophy. Depression is caused by narrowmindedly looking at a problem, in a negative way. Instead of looking at negative experiences in a positive or equipollent way already, or looking at the problem in a novel way, the subject chooses to pin him- or herself down on a single, negative viewpoint. This shows a gross incompetence in using ones mind and free will, since it's choice which defines both. And choice isn't about looking for a single hole to stick your head in, but having an overview of those.
It all fits in our victim society... "I suffer from this or that" instead of "I burried my own hole and now I have to suffer the consequences"... This naturally doesn't hold for everything, but a lot of modern "mental" problems aren't actually caused by structural deficits but by the person himself.

Next to that, statistical evidence does suffer from the problems of induction and deduction, even though people who employ such kinds of evidence try to worm their way out of them by saying that it's based on "averages" when confronted with a falsifying case. In laymans terms, statistical evidence is misleading since it by no means represents each and every unique case, even though it claims evidence in cases where it's true, and states that cases where it's false are because it represents "an average" (whatever that means). This shows that such evidence is mere sophistry at best since it's completely unscientifical according to Karl Popper, the guy who practically created the demarcationproblem in the philosophy of science.

Well have fun asking other people something that doesn't matter, when I gave you overall simple knowledge you can chose to deny for whatever emotional reason you want...

Nah, I'm cool.

Some scientists say you should only use mj once a week, and evidence:
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Funny that you choose to quote the McKenna part, of all the people who spoke in that vid. He did mention that cannabis should be smoked once a week. But what they failed to mention is that McKenna was an advocate of heroic doses...

Though everything is circumstantial right? right? everyone is different right? wait... Let's just ask more people the same thing until someone is stuck at the same level as me? right? Hope you feel justified.

Is that sarcasm? Take it away. It bites.
Seriously though, are you trying to get a rise out of me?

[matthewmunari]

pretty soon we are going to get a slapback from all the technology & greenhouse gasses being emitted, never before had a generation had the time to witness what minimal dmg. they caused (look at the hole in the ozone layer) our generation, more likely our kids generation is going to feel the full effect of the repercussions we brought on ourselves, i have no idea what it could be, but def. not good.....nature is going to defend itself, as it should..

[Mafoo]

weed is a psychedelic yo!

using it everyday multiple times a day is taxing

why bother classifying use vs abuse its basically opinions.

[turmaline]

abuse i believe would be when all you do is sit on your ass smoking and that's all you do. When you become part of the couch.

[Beyonder]

Originally Posted by turmaline

abuse i believe would be when all you do is sit on your ass smoking and that's all you do. When you become part of the couch.

Or maybe the plant is using you, in such a situation... Think about it. Plants don't do anything, except stay in one spot and chill... This is what happens when you're couchblocked, so it might be the plant, using a person to actively do nothing.

(j/k, just in case you think I've gone bonkers or something )

[Smaerd]

To be quite frank I don't care, I put in my two cents. I think it went over well. I'm not trying to get a rise out of anyone, I don't see why you'd get so upset over what come guy says over the interweb about abuse/misuse. Or why your so curious about it, possible insecurities arising? And just because you've been smoking an 8th a day through a bong still doesn't correlate to abuse and or misuse if you're following my guidelines in MY first post. So what rise are you pulling out from yourself.

I was minisculey upset about how people kept slamming what I said saying it doesn't work when it really does. But that's every man/women to themselves. That's the thing that means the most to me, the power of choice aka freedom. Your allowed to get high and mighty about your nonabusive marijuana everyday thing cuz your that awesome, or you could just chill and read into what other people post and take their time and thoughts into consideration.

I know what depression is and how it is 100% avoidable. Though we're emotional creatures and if you one day have your house raided and your bong taken away and have to spend a day in court and your not high for once, maybe then you'll understand why I'm saying it's cool to understand the world through sober eyes, so when/if you ever come down, it isn't a PROBLEM. the end that's all I was saying.

McKenna may have invented heroic doses, but it was the other scientist in the video who said once a week I think. And heroic doses are for exploring your mind not everyday use. Once again not debating this shit just pointing things out.

Obviously the last post you made doesn't make much sense, cuz if I smoke too much tobacco(which believe it or not is a plant too) I'm not going to sit and chill like a tobacco plant will. and it's Couch-locked. As in your locked to the couch. I know what you mean by that though cuz I have had my moments when I was pretty sure I became cannibis. Only reason why you probably even did that was so you could get satisfaction or try to argue something with me. Cool! I'm out and no matter how bumped this thread is I won't be peaking, word?

agree that this got incredibly pointless with minor emotional/personal investments incredibly fast? I'd smoke a quarter a day through a gravity bong if I could, I'm not saying whose right or wrong I was just pointing out how some basic guidelines on Abuse/Misuse.

If you even retort to this your wasting your time I'm not reading back in this thread again. And matthew, why are you always praising an argument or problem(for you to think about not for me to know)? brother.

[bdog255]

I go through anywere from .5g's - 3g's in a day either with myself or with my friends. I like to also keep my GPA at a 3.0 preferabbly 3.2. I just consider it heavy use not abuse.

As long as it doesnt effect your personally life, school work, work, sports, or family life then i dont see a problem with it.

[sicntired]

I think the spiritual journey thing is a definite once in a while thing.If you're into that it takes time to access what you get.I don't see pot as the spiritual journey kind of high,although I got a number from Singapore that was a total trip.Back in the day I used to drop acid daily.Now I wonder what the f**k I was doing?I don't know what passes for LSD today but it used to be a real mind blowing experience and doing it daily was not the best way to enjoy the trip.That,was drug abuse.

[Flying Dutch]

I agree that abuse is when you cannot act normally without using..., but i doubt that you can abuse Marijuana..., Cause I used to smoke hash and Marija for about 5 months every day..., and along with this I worked in the restaurant went to gym and ran an active life..., and for now I haven't smoked for about a month, of course I would willingly shoot a joint or better a pair of bong shots but i don't have trambling hands or whatever....

[Flying Dutch]

I would give so much to invite these youtube guys to our conutry to tell our authority all these facts and reasons...,

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by Flying Dutch

Cause would willingly shoot a joint or better a pair of bong shots but i don't have trambling hands or whatever....

teach me how to shoot a joint, i'm down

[Flying Dutch]

Originally Posted by matthewmunari

teach me how to shoot a joint, i'm down

I'm sorry for this terrible mistake...., I've forgotten that joints are hit...., sorry one more time....thank you for correcting....

[sicntired]

The seeds and such get stuck in the needle.

[. at the end]

You are not the amount you smoke.

But anyways,

Abuse is when your causing any harm to yourself/other, (*3) mental, physical or spirtual (if you believe in that sort of shit).

Heavy Use, is when you are potentially will cause harm to the said *3, but have not crossed that fine line, but your on thin fucking ice.

[sicntired]

If it's messing up your life it's a problem.If it's just a way to relax it's nothing.There are all kinds of places in between.Most people know if they have a problem.The ones that worry about it are ok.The ones that don't are in serious trouble.If it was legal people with a problem would be more likely to seek help.With pot all you have to do is slow down if it's messing you up.It's such a benign substance.If your life seems normal it probably is.

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by sicntired

The seeds and such get stuck in the needle.

hahahahaha not unless its krypto, youll b lucky to find a seed

[sicntired]

What is Marc Emery awaiting extradition to the US for then?I haven't actually seen a seed in the last 20 years but they busted Marc for something.What's krypto?I'm really old.

[matthewmunari]

who the fucks marc emery ...what did he do