Heavy use vs. abuse?

HCL · 07-01-2008, 12:47 AM

Sorry if there is a topic like this around, but never seen one so I thought I'd go for it.

In your opinion, what do define heavy smoking as, and what do you define abuse? I've heard many people say that going through a dub sack in a day is abuse, then again I've heard people say an eighth a day is just heavy smoking but not abuse. Where do you stand on this?

I smoke everyday, multiple times. But the catch is I've never been on top of my shit as I have since my Dad found out and allowed me to smoke. He made the agreement with me that if I were to smoke, my grades would have to be at least a C average (they were well below that) and I could "smoke my brains out". Since that day, I've worked as hard as I can to maintain at least a 3.0, preferably 3.2+ (which I have been), my social life has skyrocketed, I met my best friend who I now consider family through weed, and overall just been very pleased. I use smoking weed as a motivator for good grades to 1) continue smoking as I please and 2) get good grades to go to college, then to a good paying job to pay for it. A lot of occasional/light smokers and non-smokers say I abuse it, but I don't think any negativity coming from it so I classify it was heavy smoking. Mind you, if somebody smoked the amount I do and was fucking up their life, I'd say it's abuse.

So what are your views on it?

Smaerd · 07-01-2008, 01:19 AM

Misuse is any time you use a substance to try to "solve" a problem.
Abuse is when your use is actually harming you from reaching your goals or creating goals.

gweetar · 07-01-2008, 10:24 AM

I don't know if I agree with that, totally. You smoke an ounce a day, that's abuse to me. You might even function okay, might not be necessarily solving any problems, just you like to smoke an ounce a day. Your smoking might not be causing you any problems, and you might function great, but you just smoke too damn much. I know, and I'm sure others do to, people that go through an ounce or two in a night or few days. Personally, I can't imagine that - they smoke non-stop.

Personally, to me, every day is too much. Everyday is abuse despite any, or no, ramifications. And, multiple times every day, especially, is abuse. Take some days off in between, clear out your lungs and head, really look forward to that next, great high. At least you seem to be using it to accomplish good things, more of a reward, it seems. And, hey, people use lots of things as rewards that aren't good for them - but, to me, every day is abuse. Just my opinion.

all_toked_up · 07-01-2008, 12:07 PM

well i believe that if your smoking and it's not affecting your life in a negative way then it doesn't really matter how much you smoke. now if it's keeping you from reaching goals, doing good in school or college. or from getting a job/ doing well at your current job then it's abuse.

I don't think you can look at it from a prospective of how much someone smokes because the marijuana i smoke could be much lower quality than the marijuana the next guy is smoking.

Smaerd · 07-01-2008, 12:29 PM

Name one instance in which smoking an ounce or two a day or anything doesn't affect your breathin/heart? Which then affects your goal of living healthily. If you don't have that goal then it is hurting your goal making descisions? See thread about coughing up blood...

I would also deduce saying smoking .5 grams takes anywere between 3-5 minutes. I mean if you COULD power house 28-56 grams how much time of your day did you throw away? 1.5 hours to 4.5 hours(approx). Say you sleep an average of eight hours a 24 hour day. How is that not harming you from reaching your goals. PS these estimations are if you nonstop smoked those grams to the head.
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Just because you do something every day doesn't necessarily mean it is unhealthy. Just it then become a threat to habit forming, and habits can restrict you from accomplishing your goals. Ex: I'm used to smoking on 4:20, I have work at 4:30 today. So then if your habitually that lost in it, your going to smoke on 4:20 and go to work blazed at 4:30. However if you can control yourself on when to release your happy chemicals to your brain you won't do that thus saying it is not good exactly or bad, varies on person to person. Hence why I left my response so vague... If you want someone to tell you when your use is abuse/misuse then you probably shouldn't smoke anything because anything you put into your body is your responsibility.

all_toked_up · 07-01-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Smaerd

Name one instance in which smoking an ounce or two a day or anything doesn't affect your breathin/heart? Which then affects your goal of living healthily. If you don't have that goal then it is hurting your goal making decisions? See thread about coughing up blood...

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while i do agree with you for the most part all i can say is that it doesn't matter if your smoking an ounce a day or a gram a day. either way you are affecting your body but thats just the downside of smoking....anything.

I agree that it would be abuse if someone was smoking an ounce a day, even a half ounce. but at what point do yo u draw the line? is quarter or an eight ok? not to mention that even if someone was smoking an ounce a day they probably don't have time for much of anything else, such as reaching goals.

Smaerd · 07-01-2008, 02:23 PM

If you agree to my second post which is proofs for my first post then your answer is to re-read my first post. We're on the same page just confusing each other maybe haha.

ghib · 07-01-2008, 10:25 PM

I don't think that the amount you consume daily can determine whether or not you're abusing a substance, it's how it affects your life.

SpankyMcLankey · 07-01-2008, 11:51 PM

^ This post brings the most quality out of all of them.

DiorDro · 07-02-2008, 07:45 AM

ditto ghib

I dont think it matters how much its what your doing with your high and for your high.

Like that dude on the Super Size Me movie, he got all sick and shit and fat and sweaty, but then when you see that one dude who eats a big mac everyday he was skinny and happy and not sweaty.

Things effect people differently, plenty of people can blaze every day and go on about their merry way, maybe even be enhanced on their merry way-others may melt into a couch or something.

As long as its not hindering you from achieving more than just getting high, GO FOR IT

But you're still a pot head, LOL

gweetar · 07-02-2008, 11:11 AM

Yea, I don't know. The point I was making, was that a person might not be using pot to solve any problems and even heavy pot use might not seem to be interfering with their life, their goals. Some 16 year old could be smoking every day, all day, and somehow still be getting decent grades, keeping a good job, etc. Many kids aren't thinking about their breathing, hearts, living healthy - cause they are only 16. It might not affect their lives at all for a while, even though they smoke 24/7. Still, I think it's abuse to smoke anything, 24/7. Eating cheeseburgers all day long - abuse. Drinking Mountain Dew all day long - abuse. Etc.

But, that's why we are all offering our different opinions - many different ways of looking at it. I still think if you're seemingly performing just fine every day, and you're working your way through an ounce every couple of days, it's abuse...

HCL · 07-02-2008, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smaerd

If you want someone to tell you when your use is abuse/misuse then you probably shouldn't smoke anything because anything you put into your body is your responsibility.

I'm not asking anybody to tell me how much I should smoke or how much is misuse/abuse for me; I wanted to know what everybody's opinion on the matter was. It was a general question directed at the common person, not me specifically.

Suliman · 07-02-2008, 01:31 PM

just so i dont get one of those ^ ill make it clear this isent directed atHCL :P

but when you smoke everyday, like to the point where you wake up high and then smoke some more, even if its really not detrimental, isent everything about being high less enjoyable?I know it is for me...

j.mony · 07-02-2008, 01:39 PM

word.

j.mony · 07-02-2008, 01:41 PM

i mean i like to smoke everyday but a eighth will last me a week if i just smoke it by myself but the best high is when you havent blazed for a few days. Thats money....

Beyonder · 07-02-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smaerd

Misuse is any time you use a substance to try to "solve" a problem.

Like solving the problem of not being stoned by smoking pot...

godneal · 07-02-2008, 07:13 PM

i smoke about an eigth a day however i follow some rules. I dont smoke when my kids are awake and i dont smoke before or during work i own and operate my own business so i dont have to worry about piss testing and i never talk to a customer while im stoned.

i think that as long as your smoking dose not come befor your life ie wont or cant get you fired and dosent get between you and your family or responsibilities than smoke till you drop

Smaerd · 07-02-2008, 07:42 PM

Sweet, I never considered not being high a problem. If you do, you've probably lost your interaction with the sober world, if not yet you will. Might wanna read into the smoking causing depression threads. Or does your depression cause you smoking? Trust me I've been there, and it's a long climb down(with any substance). Which is abuse by the way see my definition above...

Well have fun asking other people something that doesn't matter, when I gave you overall simple knowledge you can chose to deny for whatever emotional reason you want...

Some scientists say you should only use mj once a week, and evidence:

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Though everything is circumstantial right? right? everyone is different right? wait... Let's just ask more people the same thing until someone is stuck at the same level as me? right? Hope you feel justified.

SpankyMcLankey · 07-02-2008, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gweetar

Yea, I don't know. The point I was making, was that a person might not be using pot to solve any problems and even heavy pot use might not seem to be interfering with their life, their goals. Some 16 year old could be smoking every day, all day, and somehow still be getting decent grades, keeping a good job, etc. Many kids aren't thinking about their breathing, hearts, living healthy - cause they are only 16. It might not affect their lives at all for a while, even though they smoke 24/7. Still, I think it's abuse to smoke anything, 24/7. Eating cheeseburgers all day long - abuse. Drinking Mountain Dew all day long - abuse. Etc.

But, that's why we are all offering our different opinions - many different ways of looking at it. I still think if you're seemingly performing just fine every day, and you're working your way through an ounce every couple of days, it's abuse...

I do agree, but I could only imagine people that go their whole lives doing that stuff. I've seen families come in and buy a lot of Pop, and they have 4 kids and not one person in the family is fat. They might not be able to see physical signs of their harming, but we all know what it is doing to their bodies. The same fluids in your brain are found in your large intestine. The things you eat effect the way you think. It's been proven in legitimate studies.

So basically, any one can live with unhealthy habits. It's a personal decision weather they want to to that to their body. Quite unfortunately there are MANY other subjects that can play into this. Anything from societies "correct" ways of doing things. Over-population has effected society in more ways than ever. We are getting fast food, there's so many people and if every one has a vote, there's most likely going to be two sides or MORE to opinions on all these different subject. Personally, I keep my shit out of politics. That's just me, I know many people would beg to differ.

sicntired · 07-02-2008, 08:06 PM

I've been watching this issue for 40 years and there are some people that smoking at all would be abuse and others who smoke all the time with no ill effects.People are all different and some just can't handle intoxicants of any kind.If you think you may be abusing it you probably are.If you think your OK but you have no friends and your life sucks,same.If you're happy(reasonably)and your life is chugging along you're OK and as long as you have it together you shouldn't worry about a little smoke.That's just a personal opinion.

07-01-2008, 12:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
HCL Hardcore Legend Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Beaverton Posts: 182 Thanks: 13 Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts	Heavy use vs. abuse? Sorry if there is a topic like this around, but never seen one so I thought I'd go for it. In your opinion, what do define heavy smoking as, and what do you define abuse? I've heard many people say that going through a dub sack in a day is abuse, then again I've heard people say an eighth a day is just heavy smoking but not abuse. Where do you stand on this? I smoke everyday, multiple times. But the catch is I've never been on top of my shit as I have since my Dad found out and allowed me to smoke. He made the agreement with me that if I were to smoke, my grades would have to be at least a C average (they were well below that) and I could "smoke my brains out". Since that day, I've worked as hard as I can to maintain at least a 3.0, preferably 3.2+ (which I have been), my social life has skyrocketed, I met my best friend who I now consider family through weed, and overall just been very pleased. I use smoking weed as a motivator for good grades to 1) continue smoking as I please and 2) get good grades to go to college, then to a good paying job to pay for it. A lot of occasional/light smokers and non-smokers say I abuse it, but I don't think any negativity coming from it so I classify it was heavy smoking. Mind you, if somebody smoked the amount I do and was fucking up their life, I'd say it's abuse. So what are your views on it?

07-01-2008, 12:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
Smaerd observations kill me Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vagrant Status Posts: 1,895 Thanks: 236 Thanked 288 Times in 213 Posts	Name one instance in which smoking an ounce or two a day or anything doesn't affect your breathin/heart? Which then affects your goal of living healthily. If you don't have that goal then it is hurting your goal making descisions? See thread about coughing up blood... I would also deduce saying smoking .5 grams takes anywere between 3-5 minutes. I mean if you COULD power house 28-56 grams how much time of your day did you throw away? 1.5 hours to 4.5 hours(approx). Say you sleep an average of eight hours a 24 hour day. How is that not harming you from reaching your goals. PS these estimations are if you nonstop smoked those grams to the head. ... Just because you do something every day doesn't necessarily mean it is unhealthy. Just it then become a threat to habit forming, and habits can restrict you from accomplishing your goals. Ex: I'm used to smoking on 4:20, I have work at 4:30 today. So then if your habitually that lost in it, your going to smoke on 4:20 and go to work blazed at 4:30. However if you can control yourself on when to release your happy chemicals to your brain you won't do that thus saying it is not good exactly or bad, varies on person to person. Hence why I left my response so vague... If you want someone to tell you when your use is abuse/misuse then you probably shouldn't smoke anything because anything you put into your body is your responsibility. Last edited by Smaerd; 07-01-2008 at 12:38 PM.

07-01-2008, 01:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
Smaerd observations kill me Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vagrant Status Posts: 1,895 Thanks: 236 Thanked 288 Times in 213 Posts	Misuse is any time you use a substance to try to "solve" a problem. Abuse is when your use is actually harming you from reaching your goals or creating goals.

07-01-2008, 10:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
gweetar YaHookan Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 281 Thanks: 49 Thanked 42 Times in 34 Posts	I don't know if I agree with that, totally. You smoke an ounce a day, that's abuse to me. You might even function okay, might not be necessarily solving any problems, just you like to smoke an ounce a day. Your smoking might not be causing you any problems, and you might function great, but you just smoke too damn much. I know, and I'm sure others do to, people that go through an ounce or two in a night or few days. Personally, I can't imagine that - they smoke non-stop. Personally, to me, every day is too much. Everyday is abuse despite any, or no, ramifications. And, multiple times every day, especially, is abuse. Take some days off in between, clear out your lungs and head, really look forward to that next, great high. At least you seem to be using it to accomplish good things, more of a reward, it seems. And, hey, people use lots of things as rewards that aren't good for them - but, to me, every day is abuse. Just my opinion.

07-01-2008, 12:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
all_toked_up The Forbidden plant Join Date: May 2006 Location: So. Ill Posts: 1,073 Thanks: 38 Thanked 38 Times in 33 Posts	well i believe that if your smoking and it's not affecting your life in a negative way then it doesn't really matter how much you smoke. now if it's keeping you from reaching goals, doing good in school or college. or from getting a job/ doing well at your current job then it's abuse. I don't think you can look at it from a prospective of how much someone smokes because the marijuana i smoke could be much lower quality than the marijuana the next guy is smoking.

07-01-2008, 02:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
Smaerd observations kill me Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vagrant Status Posts: 1,895 Thanks: 236 Thanked 288 Times in 213 Posts	If you agree to my second post which is proofs for my first post then your answer is to re-read my first post. We're on the same page just confusing each other maybe haha.

07-01-2008, 10:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
ghib YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 405 Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 7 Posts	I don't think that the amount you consume daily can determine whether or not you're abusing a substance, it's how it affects your life.

07-01-2008, 11:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
SpankyMcLankey YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 752 Thanks: 123 Thanked 78 Times in 70 Posts	^ This post brings the most quality out of all of them.

07-02-2008, 07:45 AM	#10 (permalink)
DiorDro YaHookan Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a pink space with bright stars Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ditto ghib I dont think it matters how much its what your doing with your high and for your high. Like that dude on the Super Size Me movie, he got all sick and shit and fat and sweaty, but then when you see that one dude who eats a big mac everyday he was skinny and happy and not sweaty. Things effect people differently, plenty of people can blaze every day and go on about their merry way, maybe even be enhanced on their merry way-others may melt into a couch or something. As long as its not hindering you from achieving more than just getting high, GO FOR IT But you're still a pot head, LOL

07-02-2008, 11:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
gweetar YaHookan Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 281 Thanks: 49 Thanked 42 Times in 34 Posts	Yea, I don't know. The point I was making, was that a person might not be using pot to solve any problems and even heavy pot use might not seem to be interfering with their life, their goals. Some 16 year old could be smoking every day, all day, and somehow still be getting decent grades, keeping a good job, etc. Many kids aren't thinking about their breathing, hearts, living healthy - cause they are only 16. It might not affect their lives at all for a while, even though they smoke 24/7. Still, I think it's abuse to smoke anything, 24/7. Eating cheeseburgers all day long - abuse. Drinking Mountain Dew all day long - abuse. Etc. But, that's why we are all offering our different opinions - many different ways of looking at it. I still think if you're seemingly performing just fine every day, and you're working your way through an ounce every couple of days, it's abuse...

07-02-2008, 01:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Suliman ҰÅĦǾΏҜλИ Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hawaii Posts: 151 Thanks: 124 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts	just so i dont get one of those ^ ill make it clear this isent directed atHCL :P but when you smoke everyday, like to the point where you wake up high and then smoke some more, even if its really not detrimental, isent everything about being high less enjoyable?I know it is for me...

07-02-2008, 01:39 PM	#14 (permalink)
j.mony YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 76 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	word.

07-02-2008, 01:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
j.mony YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 76 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i mean i like to smoke everyday but a eighth will last me a week if i just smoke it by myself but the best high is when you havent blazed for a few days. Thats money....

07-02-2008, 07:13 PM	#17 (permalink)
godneal YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	i smoke about an eigth a day however i follow some rules. I dont smoke when my kids are awake and i dont smoke before or during work i own and operate my own business so i dont have to worry about piss testing and i never talk to a customer while im stoned. i think that as long as your smoking dose not come befor your life ie wont or cant get you fired and dosent get between you and your family or responsibilities than smoke till you drop

07-02-2008, 07:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
Smaerd observations kill me Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Vagrant Status Posts: 1,895 Thanks: 236 Thanked 288 Times in 213 Posts	Sweet, I never considered not being high a problem. If you do, you've probably lost your interaction with the sober world, if not yet you will. Might wanna read into the smoking causing depression threads. Or does your depression cause you smoking? Trust me I've been there, and it's a long climb down(with any substance). Which is abuse by the way see my definition above... Well have fun asking other people something that doesn't matter, when I gave you overall simple knowledge you can chose to deny for whatever emotional reason you want... Some scientists say you should only use mj once a week, and evidence: . Though everything is circumstantial right? right? everyone is different right? wait... Let's just ask more people the same thing until someone is stuck at the same level as me? right? Hope you feel justified.

07-02-2008, 08:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
sicntired YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: VANCOUVER,B.C. CANADA Posts: 21 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I've been watching this issue for 40 years and there are some people that smoking at all would be abuse and others who smoke all the time with no ill effects.People are all different and some just can't handle intoxicants of any kind.If you think you may be abusing it you probably are.If you think your OK but you have no friends and your life sucks,same.If you're happy(reasonably)and your life is chugging along you're OK and as long as you have it together you shouldn't worry about a little smoke.That's just a personal opinion.