neophye chronic logs

[rikb631]

so i found i was running at about 85 - 92 degrees and my humidity was at running around 25 - 35%. after reading some more on the temp and humidity i decided to buy a cool mist humidifier.

ReliOn | Cough and Cold Products


i put this right in the cabinet next the garden. now im running temps from 75 - 85 degrees. the humidity is around 55%. this seems like the optimal range. not bad for a $30 fix.

i also purchased 2 smaller fans since the one i had was too big to fit in with humidifier. heres a pic. so all total ive spent $250 for everything.

[Cerebro]

nice start
i cant imagine what's going to happen when they get bigger
the different colours on the stem do usually just mean a different kind, we call them pheno's, same genetics, but different characteristics
it's also possible that two different males pollenated the same plant giving two related seeds, but that's unlikely
the plants look healthy
it sounds like you aren't planning on letting them finish
how do you see this playing out?
what about focussing on one, or two plants, after you have determined sex?

[rikb631]

ya i was thinking at about 4 weeks ill try to determine the sex of the plants. kill the males hopefully get a female for clones and if im lucky a couple to just grow out for the time being.

also the largest one is undergoing some stress. i dont think its from feeding it cause the other plants look fine it may be from the extended light schedule ive had them on. im going to cut it down to 18 - 6 everyday. it looks like it has pedals forming on the nodes already dont know if i can tell this early if its a female. any thoughts would be appreciated as i may eliminate this one so the others can thrive.

[rikb631]

let me start by saying that i have killed the one plant that grew the fastest it didnt seem to be doing well. i accidently removed a leaf and may have stressed the plant futher by actually trimming the fan leafs. rookie mistake, but in the end i really dont want plants that are looking to grow tall. i plan on making two more cuts around day 30. looks like i may have a runt whitch will be an easy choice to elimnate. but the other five look pretty healthy so far.

also to stop the roots from spreading too much in the tank i have been turning the plantsabout a quarter turn in the morning and a full rotation in the middle of the day it seems to be keeping the roots from expanding too far in the tank. whitch im hoping will stunt thier growth slightly and keep things more manageable for when ive determined whitch ones are the keepers

as far as the areogarden nutrients ive found that just dropping the tablets in seems imperfect. so ive been crushing them up and dissoving them in water b4 adding them. what ive done so far is this:

day 1 - 1 small tablet (uncrushed)

day 3 - 1 small tablet (crushed)

day 7 - 2 small tablets (crushed)

day 11 - 2 small tablets (crushed)

this goes against the suggested feeding guide from the aerogarden. I did my own little research and am going on a hunch that these palnts are going to need more than what the average herb needs to grow. that said ive pretty much doubled the feeding and havent really noticed any ill effects. my hunch is based on the amount large amount of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium needed to grow this paticular plant sucessfully.

temp at 78 humidity 58%


you can tell the runt.


tallest plant is about 2"


this is how i leave it most of the day. the two small fans and the cool breeze humidifier keep a constant non direct air flow on the plants.

[Pharm Girl]

some might say that white walls are more reflective than foil.........

now there's a whole new topic of conversation.

looking good though!

[rikb631]

yeah i had a roll of industrial foil thati took from a resturaunt about 5 years ago. i used it because i have an abundance of it.

[stoneric]

I don't think foil reflects evenly. Flat white is what I've learned from the wise ones.

[rikb631]

my plants have alll started developing lots of leaves near the stem of the plant. what doesthis indicate? is it good bad or just part of a regular grow?

[Mr. O]

Those excess leaves are fine. It's just a bushy strain. I got cheese growing and that tends to bush up. I was thinking about snipping every terminal bud except at the top. According to Cervantes, such a pruning technique will elongate a bushier plant. I have 2 so I may do that to one and compare their outcomes. Other than that you could trim the small "congestive" leaves a week or so before flower just so you are not directing any valuable resources there. I like a "cleaner" plant myself but on the up side when they are quick to fill up they usually have excellent vigor. BTW, they look nice and healthy. I tend to get reddened stems in the beginning but yours aren't showing any deficiencies. Enjoy your grow.

[rikb631]

at what point should i start trimming?

[Mr. O]

I would clean it up a week or so before flowering--that is assuming you plan to go at least 3 or 4 weeks. If you are going sooner I wouldn't bother. That's just my opinion; hopefully some others may chime in.

[Cerebro]

those small leaf sets are just what you should be expecting
it's the new growth
it'll develop into branches, buds etc
fluro's are generally quite excellent for seedlings, they keep the plant growing quickly, low stress
it's not too early to top, but i'd be waiting at least another week
there will be a lttle more space to see what you're doing then

[rikb631]

so they are getting pretty bushy at this point i imagine i should wait at least until day 21 to even think about trimming. i would love to take the bottom two sets of leaves off but they are still very green so i dont see the need at this point. well see how the week progresses. im hoping by day 35 to have determined the sex. i think day 27 ill go to 12/12. just to see what i have for females and then ill go from there.

are they big for 18 days?


are they too short should i streach them a little or just leave them be?

[rikb631]

does anyone thinK i should trim now?? i dont know if its too early they seem to be doing pretty good. some of the larger fan leaves are getting some brown spots. does this mean i should trim them?

[stoneric]

Are you talking about trimming your fan leaves? Why?

[rikb631]

just to keep the plants smaller. and to promote new growth.

[Cerebro]

it might be a good idea to read up a little on stages of growth and training
make yourself a better grower
those fan leaves dont need to be cut off at any stage, eventually they will yellow off and fall off in their own time
the only reason for cutting off leaves is to allow light to lower parts of the plant, but those initial leaf sets are most of your plant at this stage
try not to love them too much, ok?
when you are managing size you are mostly managing its height
you do this by cutting the main stem, or by tieing the plant down, or by commencing 12/12 earlier
combining these techniques is also possible
i dont think i'd be waiting until day 27 to go 12/12, but one of the indoor guys would know better

[rikb631]

ya i have read and some people say to cut them and some people say not to. i was just concerned because they were turning yellow. now that i know thats normal i know not to cut them. ty

as far as the light schedule im not sure lots of people say 8 weeks but i know im in a pinch when it comes to time because of space issues. ill look a little more into the eariest i can change the light schedule. i would like to do it asap as id like to keep the plants under 4'6".

o yeah as far as loving them too much i already do i just want to make sure im not messing anything up.... it is my first grow and im reading and asking questions as much as possible.

[Cerebro]

4' is way to big to be growing under fluro's
you need to keep it low, and the tops at the same height
maybe look into how to sog, or scrog
it's not too hard, and would suit the system better

[rikb631]

k thanks for the tip. i had read about the scrog and was thinking it may be better in this application. i guess ill read a little more.