Cloning difficulties

TheGrandPuba · 07-04-2009, 11:25 AM

So my buddy tried taking 2 cuttings from his lemon skunk mother and after 12 hours they look quite sad and it doesn't look like they will make it.

They are under the dome at around 60-70% humidity, and 29 degrees Celsius. The rockwool cubes were soaked in water with a squirt of lemon juice for 24 hours, but they seemed to be too wet so they were dried out for 14 hours or so.

The cuttings went right in after being dipped in cloning gel. They were about 5 inches and taken a few inches away from the main stem because the branches are quite large and couldn't fit in a humidity dome. They were cut at a 45 degree angle with a blade cleaned with alcohol.

He might have shaved too much 'skin' off the bottom of the stem and exposed the inner stem to the air, that's my only guess of what could have gone wrong.

Thanks for reading, any insight is appreciated.

higherthanamile · 07-04-2009, 11:51 AM

I would recommend that when you clone, taking your cuttings and submerging them in water and then clip again below the surface before you dip them in any clone gel. That will almost certainly eliminate any air from compromising the clone.

HTAM

**farmergiles** · 07-04-2009, 12:05 PM

Careful with the lemon juice, it`s very acidic.

sirsmokalot989 · 07-04-2009, 01:16 PM

The rockwool doesnt need to be dried out before you put the clones in... Actually opposite... I keep mine moist at all times i think the rockwool holds nice pockets of air which is why you dont want them submerged but kept moist at all times... Also did you check the ph of your water? That can be crutial to new roots

higherthanamile · 07-04-2009, 01:42 PM

^Second that two times.

Cerebro · 07-04-2009, 08:57 PM

yeah, just sounds too fussy
scraping stem, lemon juice
it seems that clones are happy to just be popped into a glass of some decent room temp water
i haven't heard of too wet rockwool b4

TheGrandPuba · 07-05-2009, 05:32 AM

Thanks for the replies,

I've got most of my info on cloning from this page
A batch of clones in rockwool - Grasscity.com Forums

and the guy who wrote it said that the cubes should just be damp and not soaked.

Might have to try dipping them in water next time and using less lemon juice.

The PH was around 5, but all that was used was one of those cheap water testers (I'm not sure how accurate they are)

Cerebro · 07-05-2009, 07:12 AM

have you read fg's sticky?
Clonamatix - With Pics!
i've heard of many teething issues with rockwool

TheGrandPuba · 07-05-2009, 12:54 PM

They are under floros right now, on for 24 hours. I thought high temps were good for clones, isn't that why some people use heating pads under the tray?

The temps are so high because they are right above the 400w metal halide, i suppose the MH could be turned off and the mother could survive under floros for a week or so.

I'll check out that sticky, thanks Cerebro.

Cerebro · 07-06-2009, 07:29 AM

what about humidity slunt? what's the aiming point there?

sirsmokalot989 · 07-06-2009, 02:22 PM

I know that clones want a higher humdity point which is the only reason i thought the heat would be for
im not sure what exactly but i know if you use a dome for rooting you dont need to cut the tips of the leaves to lower transpiration as theres way more moisture available
i know jorge explains the exacts in his grow bible

07-04-2009, 11:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
TheGrandPuba amateur gynecologist Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: in a house you nosey fuck Posts: 2,570 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 32 Posts	Cloning difficulties So my buddy tried taking 2 cuttings from his lemon skunk mother and after 12 hours they look quite sad and it doesn't look like they will make it. They are under the dome at around 60-70% humidity, and 29 degrees Celsius. The rockwool cubes were soaked in water with a squirt of lemon juice for 24 hours, but they seemed to be too wet so they were dried out for 14 hours or so. The cuttings went right in after being dipped in cloning gel. They were about 5 inches and taken a few inches away from the main stem because the branches are quite large and couldn't fit in a humidity dome. They were cut at a 45 degree angle with a blade cleaned with alcohol. He might have shaved too much 'skin' off the bottom of the stem and exposed the inner stem to the air, that's my only guess of what could have gone wrong. Thanks for reading, any insight is appreciated. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95kX_EP2Nk It's just a ride - Bill Hicks

07-04-2009, 11:51 AM	#2 (permalink)
higherthanamile Looney Bin Fugitive Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,855 Thanks: 172 Thanked 333 Times in 218 Posts	I would recommend that when you clone, taking your cuttings and submerging them in water and then clip again below the surface before you dip them in any clone gel. That will almost certainly eliminate any air from compromising the clone. HTAM __________________ Not an accurate representation of White People.

07-04-2009, 12:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the bunker with Eva. Posts: 3,639 Thanks: 770 Thanked 1,121 Times in 826 Posts	Careful with the lemon juice, it`s very acidic. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness cannabis-grow-bible *Fuck the Monkeys*

07-04-2009, 01:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
higherthanamile Looney Bin Fugitive Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,855 Thanks: 172 Thanked 333 Times in 218 Posts	^Second that two times. __________________ Not an accurate representation of White People.

07-04-2009, 08:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Cerebro Marine Biologist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: White Plume Mountain Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 288 Thanked 489 Times in 401 Posts	yeah, just sounds too fussy scraping stem, lemon juice it seems that clones are happy to just be popped into a glass of some decent room temp water i haven't heard of too wet rockwool b4 __________________ The Prophet - Kahlil Gibran

07-04-2009, 01:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
sirsmokalot989 YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 205 Thanked 99 Times in 75 Posts	The rockwool doesnt need to be dried out before you put the clones in... Actually opposite... I keep mine moist at all times i think the rockwool holds nice pockets of air which is why you dont want them submerged but kept moist at all times... Also did you check the ph of your water? That can be crutial to new roots

07-05-2009, 05:32 AM	#7 (permalink)
TheGrandPuba amateur gynecologist Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: in a house you nosey fuck Posts: 2,570 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 32 Posts	Thanks for the replies, I've got most of my info on cloning from this page A batch of clones in rockwool - Grasscity.com Forums and the guy who wrote it said that the cubes should just be damp and not soaked. Might have to try dipping them in water next time and using less lemon juice. The PH was around 5, but all that was used was one of those cheap water testers (I'm not sure how accurate they are) __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95kX_EP2Nk It's just a ride - Bill Hicks

07-05-2009, 07:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
Cerebro Marine Biologist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: White Plume Mountain Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 288 Thanked 489 Times in 401 Posts	have you read fg's sticky? Clonamatix - With Pics! i've heard of many teething issues with rockwool __________________ The Prophet - Kahlil Gibran

07-05-2009, 12:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
TheGrandPuba amateur gynecologist Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: in a house you nosey fuck Posts: 2,570 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 32 Posts	They are under floros right now, on for 24 hours. I thought high temps were good for clones, isn't that why some people use heating pads under the tray? The temps are so high because they are right above the 400w metal halide, i suppose the MH could be turned off and the mother could survive under floros for a week or so. I'll check out that sticky, thanks Cerebro. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95kX_EP2Nk It's just a ride - Bill Hicks

07-06-2009, 07:29 AM	#10 (permalink)
Cerebro Marine Biologist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: White Plume Mountain Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 288 Thanked 489 Times in 401 Posts	what about humidity slunt? what's the aiming point there? __________________ The Prophet - Kahlil Gibran

07-06-2009, 02:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
sirsmokalot989 YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 276 Thanks: 205 Thanked 99 Times in 75 Posts	I know that clones want a higher humdity point which is the only reason i thought the heat would be for im not sure what exactly but i know if you use a dome for rooting you dont need to cut the tips of the leaves to lower transpiration as theres way more moisture available i know jorge explains the exacts in his grow bible

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