Americans(USA), why do you let evil reign? - Page 3

stoneric · 06-01-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicwoah

aight my lying friend...i understand that they have no right. Im not even advocating that its a good idea. Im just saying I can understand the logic behind it.

I will admit that my posts do exude a "cognitive dissonance". I like talking about crazy philosophy and religion and of course bud and hearing other people's crazy fucking ideas. All I do is chill and talk about weird crap.

My politics are a mix or liberal/conservative. So before you label me as a hardcore conservative realize most of the issues in the A&P forum are about foreign policy which i have conservative views on. Im pretty liberal about everything else including this subject. I hate censorship and I am a big Jean-Jacques Rousseau fan for those of you who know about him. We have natural rights, we are born free and shouldnt be ristricted. At the sametime I can understand the government's logic when they do things we say are "restricting freedom". I can see the logic behind anti-drug laws (which i dont support), seatbelts, and even wire-tapping. It is all about protecting this country and thats what the government deemed the "best" way. Thats all I'm saying here.

So Jc think whatever.

I guess if the government deemed it the "best" way, who are we to argue. Again, you see no problem with your phone being tapped? It should make you fucking puke!

JcPizwink · 06-01-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicwoah

aight my lying friend...i understand that they have no right. Im not even advocating that its a good idea. Im just saying I can understand the logic behind it.

I will admit that my posts do exude a "cognitive dissonance". I like talking about crazy philosophy and religion and of course bud and hearing other people's crazy fucking ideas. All I do is chill and talk about weird crap.

My politics are a mix or liberal/conservative. So before you label me as a hardcore conservative realize most of the issues in the A&P forum are about foreign policy which i have conservative views on. Im pretty liberal about everything else including this subject. I hate censorship and I am a big Jean-Jacques Rousseau fan for those of you who know about him. We have natural rights, we are born free and shouldnt be ristricted. At the sametime I can understand the government's logic when they do things we say are "restricting freedom". I can see the logic behind anti-drug laws (which i dont support), seatbelts, and even wire-tapping. It is all about protecting this country and thats what the government deemed the "best" way. Thats all I'm saying here.

So Jc think whatever.

sonic, this is not about conservative or liberal. This is about smart and stupid. And you're not stupid, which is why your posts in this thread confuse me immensely.

The Winds · 06-01-2006, 05:47 PM

Only reason I deal with the american gov't is because i know within a year or 2 im gonna be outta the us. I was thinking of either Canada or Europe.

Waves · 06-01-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicwoah

no....im still waiting to prove me wrong? If you can give me an example of somebody who was arrested who would not have been if their phones werent tapped "illegaly". I'll admit im wrong just give me an example.

wrong about what?

that wiretapping is illegal? I dont need to prove to you that wiretapping is illegal, thats what the supreme court said. and im pretty sure they know more than you.

JcPizwink · 06-01-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes on a Plane

Funny, the goverment can't get away with wiretapping yet it can get away 9/11...the irony.

how the fuck can you say that and also be enlisted to fight in Iraq?

Jesus Christ mang.

Flipper · 06-01-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes on a Plane

Translation: I make a shit wage, The house is owned by the bank and quite possibly the car.

Man, i'll be making better money by the time i'm 26, with full fucking benefits too

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Waves · 06-01-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes on a Plane

Funny, the goverment can't get away with wiretapping yet it can get away 9/11...the irony.

i have a feeling that this wiretapping this isnt the only thing the government was doing illegaly. like i said in another thread, im not willing to give bushco the benefit of the doubt anymore. but thats me personally.

Deimos · 06-01-2006, 07:54 PM

We are a nation of great evil, yes. But think about when that tsunami hit over in Asia in 2003. American's donated 950 Million dollars in relief. We made charity cool.

Time and time again, American's will sympathize with anyone worldwide, providing money and resources wherever needed.

We help just as many people as we hurt, if not more.

JcPizwink · 06-01-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Deimos

We are a nation of great evil, yes. But think about when that tsunami hit over in Asia in 2003. American's donated 950 Million dollars in relief. We made charity cool.

Time and time again, American's will sympathize with anyone worldwide, providing money and resources wherever needed.

We help just as many people as we hurt, if not more.

Of course our economic policies contributed to the squalor and lack of funding for proper tsunami notification measures in these countries...

But you're right. We have the capacity for great things. It's a shame it takes hundreds of thousands of deaths to make it come out in us.

Flipper · 06-01-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JcPizwink

Of course our economic policies contributed to the squalor and lack of funding for proper tsunami notification measures in these countries...

But you're right. We have the capacity for great things. It's a shame it takes hundreds of thousands of deaths to make it come out in us.

How are our economic policies contributing to the squalor and lack of funding for proper tsunami notification measures?

smoke · 06-01-2006, 08:47 PM

how are our economic policies contributing to a lack of funding? this guys funny.

furio · 06-01-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JcPizwink

Of course our economic policies contributed to the squalor and lack of funding for proper tsunami notification measures in these countries...

But you're right. We have the capacity for great things. It's a shame it takes hundreds of thousands of deaths to make it come out in us.

You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make him drink it.

Point is, any nation can achive better if they have the willpower. Blaming others is just another example of why they fail. Look at Japan, they have virtually no natural resources yet have the second largest economy.

Waves · 06-01-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by furio

You can lead a horse to water, but cannot make him drink it.

Point is, any nation can achive better if they have the willpower. Blaming others is just another example of why they fail. Look at Japan, they have virtually no natural resources yet have the second largest economy.

hahahahah

your answer to this problem is for countries to gain "willpower?"

lmao

sonicwoah · 06-01-2006, 10:25 PM

im confused by all these crazy fucking metaphors are rhetorical questions. I dont get what will power has to do with Japan and shitty natural resources. And what does Japan having poor natural resources have to do with tsunami relief...? anyway

Raise your hand if you dont think america contributes enough to relief for tsunamies and all that fun stuff!? I don't know the answer to this; somebody show me some numbers.

Waves · 06-01-2006, 10:29 PM

i think america contributes enough to tsunami relief. but again, that isnt the point here.

the point is instead of contributing to humanity as a whole the united states(or the u.s. govt) is interested only in contributing to interests which serve itself at the cost of anyone else. so thats what needs to change in essence.

sonicwoah · 06-01-2006, 10:47 PM

what to you mean by contributing to humanity? I don't see any government donating to the Jimmy Fund...

I understand that you think the US gov't maybe selfish, but i dont see realy any government that isnt. It would be nice if the US could help out when not asked or needed, but we still have to look after our best interests.

koshiva · 06-01-2006, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

i think america contributes enough to tsunami relief. but again, that isnt the point here.

the point is instead of contributing to humanity as a whole the united states(or the u.s. govt) is interested only in contributing to interests which serve itself at the cost of anyone else. so thats what needs to change in essence.

The second part of your post is spot on. All in American interests at the expense of the rest of the world....indeed.

As for the tsunami relief...what the United States contributed, per capita of its population, was pitiful.

sonicwoah · 06-01-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kosh

The second part of your post is spot on. All in American interests at the expense of the rest of the world....indeed.

As for the tsunami relief...what the United States contributed, per capita of its population, was pitiful.

Jw what you think a reasonable amount is exactly?

moldyorangepeel · 06-02-2006, 12:26 AM

It's a takes mindset absorbed of negativity to say things like that.

JcPizwink · 06-02-2006, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Flipper

How are our economic policies contributing to the squalor and lack of funding for proper tsunami notification measures?

not to be a smartass, but this is exactly the disconnect between conservatism and liberalism. Conservatives see the squalor of 1980 inner city America and go "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." Liberals see the squalor of 1980's inner city America and go "lets spend less money subsidizing oil companies and set up a welfare system."

That's not hyperbole, that is indeed what happened. All you have to do is expand that concept to world politics and the reasons for the squalor in east asia (and the middle east, mind you) becomes painfully clear.

As for Economic policies contributing to the lack of funding, I'll explain. Following World War 2, America became the superpower, both in terms of military and economy, of the entire world. Russia, however, after destroying eastern europe with its absolutely ridiculous "satellite nation" program, turned to the far east. The spread of communism in places like Korea, Vietnam, and the scare of a revolt in both the Phillipines and Indonesia (remember this for later) put the entire far east on the "pawn" list in terms of the battle between capitalism and fiscal communism. Of course China meanwhile was spreading communism to southWEST asia. Places like Tibet, Macronesia, even India.

Now the issue arises when American foreign policy, as evident by the Vietnam war, decides that to stop the spread of communism it will do anything and everything, including unprovoked war.

Why is all of this relevant? Because we won. Sort of. American businesses thrived in the 50's, 60's, and even the regression of the early and mid 70's. The problem is that while capitalism seems pretty to those who benefit (you and me with our Starbucks, 99 cent packs of socks, and Wal-Mart), no one lifts the curtain. Capitalism is a sham. It works on the back of undeveloped nations by supporting oppresive regimes behind closed doors as long as they, in turn, support the outsourcing of American jobs, specifically in manufacturing and packaging, to these countries. You think it's a coincidence that the top 3% of America's wealthiest are more wealthy TODAY even though more jobs continue to these developing nations? And yet people still think our gover

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Deimos King of the Forest Join Date: May 2006 Location: WisconSIN Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	We are a nation of great evil, yes. But think about when that tsunami hit over in Asia in 2003. American's donated 950 Million dollars in relief. We made charity cool. Time and time again, American's will sympathize with anyone worldwide, providing money and resources wherever needed. We help just as many people as we hurt, if not more. __________________ Q( '.')-------Q I'm tripping like Jesus in the desert when he fasted

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Waves YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,471 Thanks: 33 Thanked 152 Times in 102 Posts	i think america contributes enough to tsunami relief. but again, that isnt the point here. the point is instead of contributing to humanity as a whole the united states(or the u.s. govt) is interested only in contributing to interests which serve itself at the cost of anyone else. so thats what needs to change in essence. __________________ same as it ever was....same as it ever was...

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smoke YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: sky high Posts: 2,912 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	how are our economic policies contributing to a lack of funding? this guys funny.

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sonicwoah YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 202 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	im confused by all these crazy fucking metaphors are rhetorical questions. I dont get what will power has to do with Japan and shitty natural resources. And what does Japan having poor natural resources have to do with tsunami relief...? anyway Raise your hand if you dont think america contributes enough to relief for tsunamies and all that fun stuff!? I don't know the answer to this; somebody show me some numbers.

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sonicwoah YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 202 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what to you mean by contributing to humanity? I don't see any government donating to the Jimmy Fund... I understand that you think the US gov't maybe selfish, but i dont see realy any government that isnt. It would be nice if the US could help out when not asked or needed, but we still have to look after our best interests.

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moldyorangepeel Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,696 Thanks: 402 Thanked 72 Times in 32 Posts	It's a takes mindset absorbed of negativity to say things like that.