Americans(USA), why do you let evil reign?

**Canuck Wisdom** · 06-01-2006, 12:37 PM

I suppose I am feeling lazy and could make this a much better starting post by citing examples of all the lost liberties, war crimes, systematic manipulation, brainwashing, greed, unconstitutional behaviour, environmental damage and monopolizing that is a product of your current administration and past policies of greed and corruption (most specifically since the end of WWII).
Let alone the founding philosophies which yes originally promoted equality of opportunity but translate directly into greed defining most aspects of society.
I am also thinking of the background money holders who sway the markets and lobby the government, who wont stand up to them because they fear their wealth and always go where the money is.

But I'm going to assume that most regular A&P yahookans know at least generally what I am refering to here.

What I am really going for with this post is this: Folks talk about how there will be a revolution soon and then others say thats silly and some say 'we're on a path to a point of no return, or a point where everyone will be so upset that they will break and revolt'. With all the things I see on the news, not just occasionally, but all the time, every day pretty much there is something that offends me, scares me and makes me worry about the activities of YOUR government.

Well I am saying to you now. It is beyond that point. Those of you who claim that the only reason people are not closer to revolting is because of the comfort level and the propoganda. IT IS BEYOND THAT POINT. I am calling all of you out, all of you who critisize others for accepting all this without question because of their comfort level. You are the ones who DO know these things and that makes you all the more to blame for the lack of rioting in the streets and outrage over the bullshit that comes out of the White House.

This thread is not about my hypocracy. I realize that the government of the USA is not the only corrupt one, or the only one with problems, or the only capitalist nation and there are problems with Canada I am not dealing with how I should. However, you are the self proclaimed only super power, the most powerful Empire to have ever been and what happens there matters to the world. Your nation is beyond the point where there is problems with the governing, to the point where it IS a problem itself.

I hope this rant made cohesive sense, my head is kinda all a jumble, but I think it needs to be said. They will squash any opposition to the system of greed now with force, in the future they will only be less restrained with said force.

Where is the outrage? Every time another one of these bullshit laws is passed, or another corrupt official is exposed, or the police violate human rights and arn't held accountable, there should be growing rage that is demonstrated so the world can see, so the world cannot ignore. I am genuinly scared just because my nation is nearby. I'm calling you all the brainwashed americans who are too comfortable to do anything that you love to label others as. I don't advocate violence, but you need to show them that the people are the power and have the right to control their destinies. They know there are no rules, you should too. It they're willing to ignore laws set down for the good of mankind, then you have no reason to follow them either. On the world stage they do what they want without restraint.
It is beyond that point. Your freedom is gone.

bongload · 06-01-2006, 01:10 PM

Just because China is worse than America than you guys are cool?

moldyorangepeel · 06-01-2006, 01:20 PM

who's one to judge?

**Canuck Wisdom** · 06-01-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes on a Plane

Also you fail to remember that revolutions aren't always good. The new government could be worse.

True.

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Originally Posted by Snakes on a Plane

Becuase everyone else does it.

I dont accept this at all, esp not after I pointed out that yes I am a hypocrit for saying these things.

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Originally Posted by Snakes on a Plane

If we let evil reign, you're just as guilty as us letting it happen. Perhaps a better arguement on your half would be "americans why do you/your gov't purpotrate evil acts".

What I am really going for here, is that you as a sovereign nation are letting your government walk all over your rights and freedoms to an extent that it scares me, in another country (though a closely tied one). And it is beyond the point where it is not severe enough for there to be dissent and constant civil disobedience across the country.

**Canuck Wisdom** · 06-01-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moldyorangepeel

who's one to judge?

Me, because I feel like it.

And if we dont, plenty of people will feel the wrath of a more painful judgement.

Jerry Springer · 06-01-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by YaCanuck W.

I suppose I am feeling lazy and could make this a much better starting post by citing examples of all the lost liberties, war crimes, systematic manipulation, brainwashing, greed, unconstitutional behaviour, environmental damage and monopolizing that is a product of your current administration and past policies of greed and corruption (most specifically since the end of WWII).
Let alone the founding philosophies which yes originally promoted equality of opportunity but translate directly into greed defining most aspects of society.
I am also thinking of the background money holders who sway the markets and lobby the government, who wont stand up to them because they fear their wealth and always go where the money is.

But I'm going to assume that most regular A&P yahookans know at least generally what I am refering to here.

What I am really going for with this post is this: Folks talk about how there will be a revolution soon and then others say thats silly and some say 'we're on a path to a point of no return, or a point where everyone will be so upset that they will break and revolt'. With all the things I see on the news, not just occasionally, but all the time, every day pretty much there is something that offends me, scares me and makes me worry about the activities of YOUR government.

Well I am saying to you now. It is beyond that point. Those of you who claim that the only reason people are not closer to revolting is because of the comfort level and the propoganda. IT IS BEYOND THAT POINT. I am calling all of you out, all of you who critisize others for accepting all this without question because of their comfort level. You are the ones who DO know these things and that makes you all the more to blame for the lack of rioting in the streets and outrage over the bullshit that comes out of the White House.

This thread is not about my hypocracy. I realize that the government of the USA is not the only corrupt one, or the only one with problems, or the only capitalist nation and there are problems with Canada I am not dealing with how I should. However, you are the self proclaimed only super power, the most powerful Empire to have ever been and what happens there matters to the world. Your nation is beyond the point where there is problems with the governing, to the point where it IS a problem itself.

I hope this rant made cohesive sense, my head is kinda all a jumble, but I think it needs to be said. They will squash any opposition to the system of greed now with force, in the future they will only be less restrained with said force.

Where is the outrage? Every time another one of these bullshit laws is passed, or another corrupt official is exposed, or the police violate human rights and arn't held accountable, there should be growing rage that is demonstrated so the world can see, so the world cannot ignore. I am genuinly scared just because my nation is nearby. I'm calling you all the brainwashed americans who are too comfortable to do anything that you love to label others as. I don't advocate violence, but you need to show them that the people are the power and have the right to control their destinies. They know there are no rules, you should too. It they're willing to ignore laws set down for the good of mankind, then you have no reason to follow them either. On the world stage they do what they want without restraint.
It is beyond that point. Your freedom is gone.

Honestly??? I make $29k a year. I drive an El Dorardo '98. I live in a 3 bedroom 2.5 bath; 1,800 sqft house. Why would I revolt. I live better than 95% of the people on this planet and I live in the lower middle class.

I rule!!!!!!!!!!

Why would I be upset (revolt)?

MasterMind · 06-01-2006, 01:44 PM

fuck that, Americas off the hook

Ego Tripping · 06-01-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Springer

Honestly??? I make $29k a year. I drive an El Dorardo '98. I live in a 3 bedroom 2.5 bath; 1,800 sqft house. Why would I revolt. I live better than 95% of the people on this planet and I live in the lower middle class.

I rule!!!!!!!!!!

Why would I be upset (revolt)?

^^^ Exactly why our freedoms are gone and not coming back. Why revolt? Because we are far too comfortable.

But that comfort can't last much longer. Once Americans can't fill their H3 with gas to go to Starbucks is when you'll see some kind of revolt.

stoneric · 06-01-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Springer

Honestly??? I make $29k a year. I drive an El Dorardo '98. I live in a 3 bedroom 2.5 bath; 1,800 sqft house. Why would I revolt. I live better than 95% of the people on this planet and I live in the lower middle class.

I rule!!!!!!!!!!

Why would I be upset (revolt)?

I could have sworn you said you made 40k awhile back. Take a cut in pay?

sonicwoah · 06-01-2006, 01:56 PM

I understand that you are not telling individuals they are letting the government walk all over them, and that "you" is adressing the american people as a whole. Right?

I can understand that you feel this way. There are some freedoms that have been ristricted, but it is such a small amount. I am not in favor of censorship and things of that nature. Restricting people's access to certain things is something I was brought up to disagree with.

Most people who grow up in a liberal environment (im guessing many of you were, I was) grow up being exposed to more things at an earlier age than most people. Whether it is little things such as art, movies "desegnated for"" an older audience, books, and ill even go as far as to say drugs. Such exposure helps us appreciate and see the stupidity of restriction caused mainly (i dont mean to offend anyone but its true) religion. Things like these should never be restricted in my opinion; certainly not by religion. It should be a parents responcibility to shelter their kids from "ungodlyness" or other "evils". Keeping people from the things that make up the real world is silly and nieve. However with the exception of banning any form of artistic expression, some of the other "freedoms" we are robbed of are to bennefit us as Americans.

For instance the Seat Belt Thread. The reason you are supposed to wear a seatbelt is to keep you from getting thrown out of a car through glass on onto pavement where you will probably die. To say this is an imposition of our natural freedoms is not logical.

Drugs is also another example. I think that drugs are fine. I obviously smoke and have tried a few other things. But i only try drugs after extensive research. Why? Health reasons. I dont like to do things that are addictive or so terrible for you. Whether we like to hear it, with the exception of weed, drugs are pretty bad. There are countless stories of people who ruin their lives because of hard drugs (coke, crack, heroin, all the infamous drugs). I think people should be able to make their own choices regarding thing like this. But realistically most people dont have the will power to seperate themselves from drugs to begin with, or after they have tried them and the government knows this. Fatality due to drugs would be enormous if made legal. I dont want you guys to think i dont think weed should be made legal, i do. But dont you think the crack heads you pass on the street want crack to be legal to. No matter how they got to be crack heads or any type of junkey (im talkng like full blown crackhead and if you smoke crack or have you will no if this apllies to you) are probably the least productive, unhealthiest, most looked down apon members of society. But maybe if made legal less of these or the same amount of these people would exists. But the government doesnt care to find out what would happen. Personaly i feel that is the logic behind the restriction of many of these freedoms.

If you werent addressing stuff like this or there are more freedoms than just these you are pissed about not having let me know? Maybe you'll convince me...

MasterMind · 06-01-2006, 02:04 PM

i dont understand wat the big deal is more americans hate bush than they love him, its just we have a fucking lazy ass youth population that didnt vote when they should have so now we get bush for 4 more years....

sonicwoah · 06-01-2006, 02:05 PM

also i think it is sort of upsetting that you think this and you arent an american. But for the sake of this arguement not turning into a huge fight of just making fun of each other's countries ill look past that. Also for Ego, OOTF, stoneric, and you Ya (these are just the people i assume will agree with YaC. maybe you dont. Find the poem called "The Unknowen Citizen" by W.H. Auden. The poem is supposed to be on the tombstone of a random or anonymous citizen of the United States. I am only suggesting it because of what Ego said about Americans not revolting because we are "comfortable" when we shouldn't be. The poem gives an interesting suggestion as to how the government see us as citizens and what you called being "comfortable" as a average american.

By the way being an american (average or not) rules. This is the best country in the world.

MasterMind · 06-01-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicwoah

By the way being an american (average or not) rules. This is the best country in the world.

thats how i feel

theDude · 06-01-2006, 02:11 PM

the US Govt. is made up and formed by the citizens of this country. we all agree on this form of govt. (the best form) and we like it. thats why there is no revolution in the US, how can we revolt against ourselves? we cant and we wont.

**Canuck Wisdom** · 06-01-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Springer

Honestly??? I make $29k a year. I drive an El Dorardo '98. I live in a 3 bedroom 2.5 bath; 1,800 sqft house. Why would I revolt. I live better than 95% of the people on this planet and I live in the lower middle class.

I rule!!!!!!!!!!

Why would I be upset (revolt)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

^^^ Exactly why our freedoms are gone and not coming back. Why revolt? Because we are far too comfortable.

But that comfort can't last much longer. Once Americans can't fill their H3 with gas to go to Starbucks is when you'll see some kind of revolt.

Thank you Ego. Jerry Springer this is exactly what I mean. You remain comfortable and so long as they dont get in your way you dont care that thousands of your own countrymen are being oppressed and live in fear.

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Originally Posted by theDude

the US Govt. is made up and formed by the citizens of this country. we all agree on this form of govt. (the best form) and we like it. thats why there is no revolution in the US, how can we revolt against ourselves? we cant and we wont.

In my understanding you are straght up wrong. The government is not made up of the people. It is made up of rich elites who have interests that they feel are justified, but I feel are wrong doings because they have a tendency to trample rights and freedoms of Americans and citizens of the globe abroad.

06-01-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theDude

the US Govt. is made up and formed by the citizens of this country. we all agree on this form of govt. (the best form) and we like it. thats why there is no revolution in the US, how can we revolt against ourselves? we cant and we wont.

our government is no longer ran by citizens

It's run by extremists who scream at the top of their lungs until they get what they want.

It's run by special interest; abortion, gay marriage, immigration.

It's run by corrupt politicians pandering to the wealthiest people in America and the middle east.

I love my country. I hate my government.

Funkadelic · 06-01-2006, 02:41 PM

i don't think a revolution would be a good idea at all in this country.

first, few people would support it and all that do would be jailed or killed by police/military. second, it could give bush reason to stay in office. third, it could establish a far worse ruler and dictatorship. lastly, i'm sure the government is reading this already...

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MasterMind Dex Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: south florida Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i dont understand wat the big deal is more americans hate bush than they love him, its just we have a fucking lazy ass youth population that didnt vote when they should have so now we get bush for 4 more years.... __________________ Keeping Underground Hip Hop alive, one verse at a time My New Rap Tracks

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theDude YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 406 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the US Govt. is made up and formed by the citizens of this country. we all agree on this form of govt. (the best form) and we like it. thats why there is no revolution in the US, how can we revolt against ourselves? we cant and we wont. __________________ "hey, i know that guy! he's a nihilist!" "fortunately, i'm adhering to a very strict drug regimen to keep my mind limber..."

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Funkadelic Fly and Get High Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 49 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i don't think a revolution would be a good idea at all in this country. first, few people would support it and all that do would be jailed or killed by police/military. second, it could give bush reason to stay in office. third, it could establish a far worse ruler and dictatorship. lastly, i'm sure the government is reading this already... __________________ Legalize it, don't criticize it

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sonicwoah YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 202 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I understand that you are not telling individuals they are letting the government walk all over them, and that "you" is adressing the american people as a whole. Right? I can understand that you feel this way. There are some freedoms that have been ristricted, but it is such a small amount. I am not in favor of censorship and things of that nature. Restricting people's access to certain things is something I was brought up to disagree with. Most people who grow up in a liberal environment (im guessing many of you were, I was) grow up being exposed to more things at an earlier age than most people. Whether it is little things such as art, movies "desegnated for"" an older audience, books, and ill even go as far as to say drugs. Such exposure helps us appreciate and see the stupidity of restriction caused mainly (i dont mean to offend anyone but its true) religion. Things like these should never be restricted in my opinion; certainly not by religion. It should be a parents responcibility to shelter their kids from "ungodlyness" or other "evils". Keeping people from the things that make up the real world is silly and nieve. However with the exception of banning any form of artistic expression, some of the other "freedoms" we are robbed of are to bennefit us as Americans. For instance the Seat Belt Thread. The reason you are supposed to wear a seatbelt is to keep you from getting thrown out of a car through glass on onto pavement where you will probably die. To say this is an imposition of our natural freedoms is not logical. Drugs is also another example. I think that drugs are fine. I obviously smoke and have tried a few other things. But i only try drugs after extensive research. Why? Health reasons. I dont like to do things that are addictive or so terrible for you. Whether we like to hear it, with the exception of weed, drugs are pretty bad. There are countless stories of people who ruin their lives because of hard drugs (coke, crack, heroin, all the infamous drugs). I think people should be able to make their own choices regarding thing like this. But realistically most people dont have the will power to seperate themselves from drugs to begin with, or after they have tried them and the government knows this. Fatality due to drugs would be enormous if made legal. I dont want you guys to think i dont think weed should be made legal, i do. But dont you think the crack heads you pass on the street want crack to be legal to. No matter how they got to be crack heads or any type of junkey (im talkng like full blown crackhead and if you smoke crack or have you will no if this apllies to you) are probably the least productive, unhealthiest, most looked down apon members of society. But maybe if made legal less of these or the same amount of these people would exists. But the government doesnt care to find out what would happen. Personaly i feel that is the logic behind the restriction of many of these freedoms. If you werent addressing stuff like this or there are more freedoms than just these you are pissed about not having let me know? Maybe you'll convince me...

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sonicwoah YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 202 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	also i think it is sort of upsetting that you think this and you arent an american. But for the sake of this arguement not turning into a huge fight of just making fun of each other's countries ill look past that. Also for Ego, OOTF, stoneric, and you Ya (these are just the people i assume will agree with YaC. maybe you dont. Find the poem called "The Unknowen Citizen" by W.H. Auden. The poem is supposed to be on the tombstone of a random or anonymous citizen of the United States. I am only suggesting it because of what Ego said about Americans not revolting because we are "comfortable" when we shouldn't be. The poem gives an interesting suggestion as to how the government see us as citizens and what you called being "comfortable" as a average american. By the way being an american (average or not) rules. This is the best country in the world.