liberals in america

12-03-2006, 10:27 PM

some of these people sit around for decades, lying in wait, for the perfect time to launch their proposals....

its pretty amazing, these liberals who want everything from a higher minimum wage to greater minority rights lie in wait, while the county shows its aversion to such notions for years at a time...

and then, as soon as they get a glimpse of a chance, they are off and running, and they usually manage to make some pretty important changes in the process....

inevitably, though, they go too far, and speak a bit too harshly.... and then the conservatives take over for another X years....

what do u guys think ?

Captdoug713 · 12-03-2006, 10:36 PM

Well lets pray they end the war on pot before they lose power.

**DubStyle311** · 12-03-2006, 10:42 PM

^^

No chance in hell.

I dont get what the hell is so great about a minimum wage increase. Its nothing but a feel good way to get votes. Like I said a million times. The vast vast majority of minimum wage employees are people 15-25. Most of them are supported by their parents too.

Get a job in the service industry, like just about anyone can, and your gonna be making more than 7 bucks an hour.

Captdoug713 · 12-03-2006, 10:43 PM

wishfull thinking

Flipper · 12-04-2006, 12:00 AM

ah, the liberal-conservative dialectic.

Prophet Saddam · 12-04-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by j-wonder

some of these people sit around for decades, lying in wait, for the perfect time to launch their proposals....

its pretty amazing, these liberals who want everything from a higher minimum wage to greater minority rights lie in wait, while the county shows its aversion to such notions for years at a time...

and then, as soon as they get a glimpse of a chance, they are off and running, and they usually manage to make some pretty important changes in the process....

inevitably, though, they go too far, and speak a bit too harshly.... and then the conservatives take over for another X years....

what do u guys think ?

I'm not quite sure I understand...are we not talking more about the consensus of America? In the states that had minimum wage hikes in the last election, I think it was something like 75%+ in favor.

Are we talking about liberal, 'progressive', ideas or ideas that are supported by Democrats? This whole thread kinda gives me a headache with the lack of direction that it has - I figured as much from the thread title though.

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jamf · 12-04-2006, 12:42 AM

You can make much more moeny pan handling than working a pointless job for minimum wage. Minimum wage is kind of a moot point.

Both the conservatives nor liberals do anything for me. The stereotypes of them sux. You got the hypocritical conservatives thumpin about morality and family values while giving tax breaks to the rich and lowering pollution standards. The liberals are known for raising taxes and squandering it on doomed social programs aimed to help lazy ignorant fuckups.

Its all about getting the votes from the hard working middle class while tricking them to vote against their interests. Conservatives hook them by promising not to give money to welfare moms who cant keep their legs closed. Meanwhile they pass laws that allow corporations to screw over the working man. Then the liberals hook the middle class by promising things like social security and other programs. That end up being nothing more than inefficient useless bureacracy thats runned by crooked polical cronies. In the meantime the economy is in the crapper cuz taxes were raised.

stoneric · 12-04-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by j-wonder

some of these people sit around for decades, lying in wait, for the perfect time to launch their proposals....

its pretty amazing, these liberals who want everything from a higher minimum wage to greater minority rights lie in wait, while the county shows its aversion to such notions for years at a time...

and then, as soon as they get a glimpse of a chance, they are off and running, and they usually manage to make some pretty important changes in the process....

inevitably, though, they go too far, and speak a bit too harshly.... and then the conservatives take over for another X years....

what do u guys think ?

Maybe its the other way around. The conservatives "go to far" and the liberals/moderates take over for another C years.

staircase · 12-04-2006, 01:34 PM

hello

Prophet Saddam · 12-04-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stoneric

Maybe its the other way around. The conservatives "go to far" and the liberals/moderates take over for another C years.

That sounds more like it.

I'd love for j-wonder to clarify his points/stance.

Waves · 12-04-2006, 03:06 PM

its more like both parties take turns fucking shit up while the general population watches c-span and fox news and just shakes their heads. it seems to me that currently the dems are actually reaching out to the republicans and saying "we dont hate you- we need you to help us here" and the republicans are backing away like the crazy person backs away from the psychiatrist who is just looking to help. SECTION REMOVED BY FORUM MODERATOR.

both parties are human, both parties take turns running the country. neither party has, or is designed, to stay in power only until it fucks up enough to give the other side a chance. that paints a pretty bleak picture of our government(which i admit isnt too pretty to start with).

Dex · 12-04-2006, 03:11 PM

I wouldn't mind a liberal president who had military service and supported gun use.

And i'm not talking about some Naval officer who got purple hearts and goes hunting for a photo ops.

Wars will stop when presidents come from enlisted ranks.

**Maturin** · 12-05-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dex

I wouldn't mind a liberal president who had military service and supported gun use.

Wars will stop when presidents come from enlisted ranks.

You're pretty much describing a Harry Truman type-president. He enlisted as a private in WWI and eventually attained the rank of captain in the artillary.

But Truman had very few doubts about committing troops to Korea.

Jimmy Coonan · 12-05-2006, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dex

I wouldn't mind a liberal president who had military service and supported gun use.

And i'm not talking about some Naval officer who got purple hearts and goes hunting for a photo ops.

Wars will stop when presidents come from enlisted ranks.

Does it matter to you if a conservative President has military service or not?

OldMan&TheWeed · 12-10-2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by j-wonder

some of these people sit around for decades, lying in wait, for the perfect time to launch their proposals....

its pretty amazing, these liberals who want everything from a higher minimum wage to greater minority rights lie in wait, while the county shows its aversion to such notions for years at a time...

Yeah, like the abolition of slavery, woman's sufferage, Social Security, school desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act (all unpopular ideas in their time). If nobody stops them those danm liberals will end the war in Iraq, provide universal health care, and legalize marijuana.

Prophet Saddam · 12-10-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OldMan&TheWeed

Yeah, like the abolition of slavery, woman's sufferage, Social Security, school desegregation, and the Civil Rights Act (all unpopular ideas in their time). If nobody stops them those danm liberals will end the war in Iraq, provide universal health care, and legalize marijuana.

There's not a DAMN thing wrong about liberals.

wellfleation · 12-10-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Flipper

ah, the liberal-conservative dialectic.

Got to love labels that have been slanted to make one group feel they are better than another. Lets go with Liberal vs Right Wing Extremists. Is that fair?

UltraFace · 12-10-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wellfleation

Got to love labels that have been slanted to make one group feel they are better than another. Lets go with Liberal vs Right Wing Extremists. Is that fair?

Got to love the anti-label cringiticizations that make those who don't label feel superior to those who do.

Anyways, its all a bunch of bullshit.

poker_tales · 12-10-2006, 01:23 PM

There was a time traveller that once said that America will see a second civil war and it would be a result of actions that took place either this year or next, I can't remember for sure. It's been years since I read it. I of course didn't believe any of it but it's pretty interesting once you think about how clear the lines are being drawn between the way mr. bush and his croonies think the country should be and the way it actually should be.

In case you didn't notice, that statement was me drawing my line.

12-03-2006, 10:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
j-wonder Guest Posts: n/a	liberals in america some of these people sit around for decades, lying in wait, for the perfect time to launch their proposals.... its pretty amazing, these liberals who want everything from a higher minimum wage to greater minority rights lie in wait, while the county shows its aversion to such notions for years at a time... and then, as soon as they get a glimpse of a chance, they are off and running, and they usually manage to make some pretty important changes in the process.... inevitably, though, they go too far, and speak a bit too harshly.... and then the conservatives take over for another X years.... what do u guys think ?

12-03-2006, 10:36 PM	#2 (permalink)
Captdoug713 Thats my fucknjobasshole! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North America Posts: 1,110 Thanks: 33 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	Well lets pray they end the war on pot before they lose power. __________________ leaf: Don't step on the grass, Sam "Freedom in general may be defined as the absence of obstacles to the realization of desires." "War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is, revolution is when you decide that for yourself." :

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DubStyle311 King of all Politics Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: living on the edge Posts: 7,084 Thanks: 0 Thanked 55 Times in 49 Posts	^^ No chance in hell. I dont get what the hell is so great about a minimum wage increase. Its nothing but a feel good way to get votes. Like I said a million times. The vast vast majority of minimum wage employees are people 15-25. Most of them are supported by their parents too. Get a job in the service industry, like just about anyone can, and your gonna be making more than 7 bucks an hour. __________________ I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

12-03-2006, 10:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
Captdoug713 Thats my fucknjobasshole! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North America Posts: 1,110 Thanks: 33 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	wishfull thinking __________________ leaf: Don't step on the grass, Sam "Freedom in general may be defined as the absence of obstacles to the realization of desires." "War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is, revolution is when you decide that for yourself." :

12-04-2006, 03:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
Waves YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 9,467 Thanks: 34 Thanked 153 Times in 103 Posts	its more like both parties take turns fucking shit up while the general population watches c-span and fox news and just shakes their heads. it seems to me that currently the dems are actually reaching out to the republicans and saying "we dont hate you- we need you to help us here" and the republicans are backing away like the crazy person backs away from the psychiatrist who is just looking to help. SECTION REMOVED BY FORUM MODERATOR. both parties are human, both parties take turns running the country. neither party has, or is designed, to stay in power only until it fucks up enough to give the other side a chance. that paints a pretty bleak picture of our government(which i admit isnt too pretty to start with). __________________ same as it ever was....same as it ever was... Last edited by Maturin; 12-05-2006 at 07:11 AM.

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Flipper YaHookan Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 884 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ah, the liberal-conservative dialectic.

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jamf Old School Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,828 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You can make much more moeny pan handling than working a pointless job for minimum wage. Minimum wage is kind of a moot point. Both the conservatives nor liberals do anything for me. The stereotypes of them sux. You got the hypocritical conservatives thumpin about morality and family values while giving tax breaks to the rich and lowering pollution standards. The liberals are known for raising taxes and squandering it on doomed social programs aimed to help lazy ignorant fuckups. Its all about getting the votes from the hard working middle class while tricking them to vote against their interests. Conservatives hook them by promising not to give money to welfare moms who cant keep their legs closed. Meanwhile they pass laws that allow corporations to screw over the working man. Then the liberals hook the middle class by promising things like social security and other programs. That end up being nothing more than inefficient useless bureacracy thats runned by crooked polical cronies. In the meantime the economy is in the crapper cuz taxes were raised.

12-04-2006, 03:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
Dex NightSTICKSodomizer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mannheim Germany Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 5 Posts	I wouldn't mind a liberal president who had military service and supported gun use. And i'm not talking about some Naval officer who got purple hearts and goes hunting for a photo ops. Wars will stop when presidents come from enlisted ranks.

12-10-2006, 01:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
poker_tales YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 146 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There was a time traveller that once said that America will see a second civil war and it would be a result of actions that took place either this year or next, I can't remember for sure. It's been years since I read it. I of course didn't believe any of it but it's pretty interesting once you think about how clear the lines are being drawn between the way mr. bush and his croonies think the country should be and the way it actually should be. In case you didn't notice, that statement was me drawing my line. __________________ "I have a theory that the truth is never told between the hours of nine and five." "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson "Rules and laws are just for people too stupid to get along without them." Me