Bogus Ron Paul Military Donation Stat

[Jimmy Coonan]

Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

if you cant extrapolate the opinion of more than a million from some thousand, then statistics is in some deep shit.

The extrapolation needs to be done in a certain way.

Most people who vote don't contribute to political campaigns anyway, there's no reason to think the 2,000-something people who contributed are a representative sample.

And statistics haven't been very good lately, look at New Hampshire.

[SmokeSomeDoja]

^im just saying that how stats are done in general. one takes a small biased sample and extrapolates that to the entire populace. most take a sample of a thousand or two for say, the entire u.s. population.

to call out this stat as being b.s. is dumb when all stats are carried out in virtually the same way.

[Sofisticated]

Originally Posted by DubStyle311

I already have:

Its misleading to say that the US military is anti-war based on donations to Ron Paul.

You're completely right on that. It's also highly misleading to suggest that the military is anti-Paul, just because "a few million people" in the army chose to give money to no one.

[Hostile]

Is it not fair to say, then, that the politically-minded members of the US Army are overwhelmingly in support of Ron Paul?

Also, the thread title is a blatant lie.

[DubStyle311]

No its not fair. I dont think donations are indicative of a person's "political-mindedness".

[SmokeSomeDoja]

so whats the adjective for someone thats in the military?

"politically dumb?" "dumb in general?" "shouldnt care what the fuck some meat head in the military thinks?"

[Sofisticated]

Originally Posted by DubStyle311

No its not fair. I don't think donations are indicative of a person's "political-mindedness".

Right, because anyone that believes in Ron Paul's message enough to donate to his campaign must be retarded? Or are they doing it shirk their fighting duty?

Is that it, or are they sick of fighting in a bullshit war that doesn't live up to the ideals it was started upon?

[JcP]

Originally Posted by Sofisticated

Seriously? For someone who lives in a country with such low voter turnout, I would think you would have no with that kind of representation. You've done such a nice spin on this that I may have developed vertigo.

I think someone as pro-hegemony as you would agree: money talks and bullshit walks. How do you explain the many others who didn't give money to any candidate? Don't believe in democracy? What were they fighting for then?

Or is it that a large part of the military is so poor and disillusioned they won't give money to any American politician? And that of those who are willing/able to give money, who are they giving it to?

Honestly man, Ron Paul isn't perfect. I can acknowledge that he won't be president, but at least he stands for something good and something that is missing from your country. However, I understand that you have your own views on where America should go so I don't think you'll get where I'm coming from with this.

...I have absolutely no idea why you posted that in response to my post. Just because I agree with Dubstyle's conclusion that people who use this statistic to make extreme claims, somehow now I'm pro-hegemony and I don't believe in democracy? I like Ron Paul. I voted for Obama. Where are you inferring that I'm agreeing with Dubstyle outside of anything but his pointing out that that small a percent of contribution does not warrant such sweeping statements?

I think you completely misread my post...that, or I need clarification what your issue is.

[DubStyle311]

Originally Posted by Sofisticated

Right, because anyone that believes in Ron Paul's message enough to donate to his campaign must be retarded? Or are they doing it shirk their fighting duty?

Is that it, or are they sick of fighting in a bullshit war that doesn't live up to the ideals it was started upon?

I simply think that one has nothing to do with the other.

[Prophet Saddam]

What a bogus thread.

[DubStyle311]

Bogus because Ron Paul and his followers have again been exposed as frauds?

[JcP]

Originally Posted by DubStyle311

Bogus because Ron Paul and his followers have again been exposed as frauds?

this is when you go too far, dubstyle. Ron Paul and his supporters are not frauds if/when they say more people in the military have donated to his campaign than any other.

Only if they make extrapolations like "the military overwhelmingly supports Ron Paul" is the line crossed.

CONVERSELY, you seem to be assuming the military does NOT support Ron Paul. If you care to provide statistics to support THAT claim, feel free. Otherwise, this undertone to your posts is more fraudulent than anything else. At least the Ron Paul supporters can point to some statistic, however small, as evidence.

Lastly, you always use words like "followers" as if to incite some sort of cult aspect to those who support him. It weakens your argument. I could say the same thing for anyone who "follows" the republican party cult.

They are clear headed and passionate people who believe in what Ron Paul stands for. If it puts that much sand in your swimsuit to see libertarians finally having a candidate who represents (at least in parts) their ideals, that's your issue, not theirs.

[verklingen]

so dub do you believe that if another candidate happened to have the largest share of those 2000-odd military campaign contributers, they would not have touted this distinction in much the same way? if say guilliani had happened to have it before his campaign fell apart, would you have, in light of the meager numbers involved, called him a fraud for stating it?

[Maturin]

Eh, I've already said how if the donations data actually meant something Paul would have received more votes in military-heavy states like Florida. But he didn't, and the voters have demonstrated that they don't want him for President. Even Paul, though nominally still in the race, has realized this and has pulled back on his presidential campaign. Any money donated now is basically helping Ron Paul run for Congress.

[Prophet Saddam]

I love how everyone feels free to speak for Ron Paul.

hmmm "when it came time for the blacks to pick up there wellfare checks" its better when u let him speak for himself.

[Maturin]

Originally Posted by Prophet Saddam

I love how everyone feels free to speak for Ron Paul.

Still in denial?


Ron Paul's personal message that he is scaling back to focus on his congressional race. (From Ron Paul's website! Don't you read that!?)

Ron Paul Scales Back, Shifts Focus to Congressional Race (Fox News)

Ron Paul Scales Back Hopeless Effort. (LA Times)


I believe the next step is anger........

Originally Posted by Maturin

Still in denial?


Ron Paul's personal message that he is scaling back to focus on his congressional race. (From Ron Paul's website! Don't you read that?)

Ron Paul Scales Back, Shifts Focus to Congressional Race (Fox News)

Ron Paul Scales Back Hopeless Effort. (LA Times)


I believe the next step is anger........

did someone say pwned?