Probably the most important question to ask an officer/cop: "Am I free to go?"

Prophet Saddam · 05-09-2008, 02:39 PM

You only lose your rights when you stop exercising them.

I commend this gentleman for his steadfastness in the face of The Man.

Take a note.

SoothingSmoke · 05-10-2008, 09:05 AM

Yeah man, fight The Man! How dare a Border Patrol Agent ask of what country you're a citizen, the NERVE of those guys! I was really hoping for a good traffic stop exercising-the-rights video, but this is just some guy being an asshole to someone who is just doing their job. And if you have a problem with being asked of what country you're a citizen, WHEN CROSSING A BORDER, maybe your retarded ass should have just stayed at home. That isn't fighting The Man, that right there is called being a difficult asshole for no reason other than to be a difficult asshole.

pacman · 05-10-2008, 09:52 AM

Agreed. This guy is just being an asshole to someone doing their job. You think she likes standing out there in the heat dealing with pricks like this everyday? Fuck dude, answer the question "do you live here" and move on. There's no "Man" here and I am baffled why you "commend this 'gentlemen'."

generic_hippie · 05-10-2008, 10:36 AM

fuck the person doing their job

what happened to freedom?

If you accept laws like these they will continue to pile them up, but if you resist by making it impossible for her to be "just doing her job" of curtailing freedom and collecting stats, then perhaps they will think before tracking your movements without cause.

LetsPlayYourWay · 05-10-2008, 10:46 AM

I'd say they were both retarded. She for not answering his question the first time he asked it and him for doing the same. And i guarantee you if it was some 200+lbs male border agent that the dude in the car would have been screaming "don't tase me bro" by the end of the clip.

Prophet Saddam · 05-10-2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoothingSmoke

Yeah man, fight The Man! How dare a Border Patrol Agent ask of what country you're a citizen, the NERVE of those guys! I was really hoping for a good traffic stop exercising-the-rights video, but this is just some guy being an asshole to someone who is just doing their job. And if you have a problem with being asked of what country you're a citizen, WHEN CROSSING A BORDER, maybe your retarded ass should have just stayed at home. That isn't fighting The Man, that right there is called being a difficult asshole for no reason other than to be a difficult asshole.

Just doing her job. You know who else were just doing their jobs, right?

He doesn't need a point - he should not be forced to carry his papers and show them on demand to federal agents.

As you can see from the outcome of the video, he played it well and was eventually allowed to leave. He was never detained, and therefore didn't need to answer any questions.

Her 'simple' one question would have undoubtedly led to more. For instance:

Quote:

cop : Are you a citizen of the United States?
guy : Yes, I am.
cop : And where are you headed to today?
guy : I would rather not say.

And now the cop now has probable cause to detain you. Didn't want to say where you were going, huh? You must have been headed somewhere BAD.

I'm worried that so many on here seem complacent when it comes to exercising their rights.

Avoid the police at all cost, and say as little as possible.

generic_hippie · 05-10-2008, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophet Saddam

Avoid the police at all cost, and say as little as possible.

damn straight

you are a target because you are a pot smoker

but they will target you because of your age, gender, attitude, race

these people are professional buzz-killers, they choose to be the hallway monitors of life

pacman · 05-10-2008, 05:45 PM

Well thanks to all the mexicanos hopping the border at free will, we are forced to carry around our papers. I say fuck the war on drugs and put the money into a wall

**Canuck Wisdom** · 05-10-2008, 06:06 PM

The same people who brought you NAFTA, and other free trade deals that cause the migration, the same people who could have stopped the migration before it became such a massive issue (but didn't), are the same people who's power over you is protected by these maintainers of social control (cops).

Man in Black · 05-10-2008, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by generic_hippie

fuck the person doing their job.

Agreed. Just because someone has chosen to infringe my rights doesn't mean I have to be subservient to them because they don't know any better or they actually think what they are doing is patriotic and bold.

Just "doing their job" doesn't make it right.

spicoli · 05-11-2008, 12:30 AM

i just gotta say the guy started off being an asshole and all defensive and weird with the camera before she even asked him a question. i think he was a dipshit. to me, big effin deal. i live in usa, thanks, haveaniceday. not: am i being detained? am i being detained? am i free to go...fuckin dumb way to 'fight' for rights, imo.

edit: i get what u guys r saying, about saying as little as possible and all that, but i would think that guys strange defensive attitude would have made them want to search him, or detain him. they can, can't they? probable cause covers a broad spectrum of situations, no?

Prophet Saddam · 05-11-2008, 01:12 AM

How hard would it have been for the officer of the law to respond that no, he was not being detained, and that yes, he was free to leave?

Neither are shining examples of humanity, but the interaction serves as a tutorial of sorts in how to exercise your rights.

JcP · 05-11-2008, 10:37 AM

he would have gotten an answer if he approached it with less hostility and made it clear he wasn't being a dick, but merely knew his rights.

A simple, "Listen, I know my rights here, so let's just make this as easy as possible...if I'm not being detained, then I should be free to go. If I am being detained, then say so."

shrug.

kameelyun · 05-11-2008, 05:27 PM

Thanks for posting that video, PS. I would agree with you that the one simple question, if answered, would have led to further questions until she had reason to feel suspicious. I just posted the video over at 911 blogger, by the way.

By the way, this might be a good time to review this most helpful video with regard to exercising your rights during even the most stressful police enounters:

Most of us have likely seen this, but as the narrator says at the end: "...But do you really think this one-time viewing will prepare you for the pressure and confusion of an actual traffic stop, say, in a month or a year from now? Review this video often."

patriot · 05-15-2008, 12:45 AM

The Supreme Court does not recognize detainment. The officer is on taxpayer's salary and has to answer to the gent in the car, not the other way around. I have done these things myself.

He obviously set out to do exactly what he did. He had his camera with him.

He asked for the supervisor's name. Checkpoints have become commonplace during the Bush regime. Do not succumb to these, even if you have nothing to hide. They have been known to plant things.

I have stood up to many authorative people in the past twenty years. I have cost some of them their jobs. That is the first thing I go after because they are not interested in public safety, only job security. This is why they so adamately support prohibitionist laws which keeps crime and drug dealers in place. I start asking for supervisors when they step on my rights. I tell the supervisor to remove them from the force or I will go to his/her supervisor.

I wonder what kind of day the poor young lady had after he left. They put themselves in the position by choice. When you act politically, sometimes the situation gets awkward, especially when you get caught by surprise by someone who knows how to exercise his rights.

Rubix · 05-15-2008, 01:12 PM

it just goes to show that the whole checkpoint is illegal.

05-09-2008, 02:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
Prophet Saddam Crazy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA Posts: 15,350 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 1,625 Thanked 289 Times in 207 Posts	Probably the most important question to ask an officer/cop: "Am I free to go?" You only lose your rights when you stop exercising them. I commend this gentleman for his steadfastness in the face of The Man. Take a note. __________________ blame me.

05-10-2008, 09:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
SoothingSmoke The Warrior Spirit Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 111 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Yeah man, fight The Man! How dare a Border Patrol Agent ask of what country you're a citizen, the NERVE of those guys! I was really hoping for a good traffic stop exercising-the-rights video, but this is just some guy being an asshole to someone who is just doing their job. And if you have a problem with being asked of what country you're a citizen, WHEN CROSSING A BORDER, maybe your retarded ass should have just stayed at home. That isn't fighting The Man, that right there is called being a difficult asshole for no reason other than to be a difficult asshole. __________________ There is no such thing as innocence; Only degrees of guilt.

05-11-2008, 12:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
spicoli YaHookan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cali Posts: 543 Thanks: 79 Thanked 52 Times in 42 Posts	i just gotta say the guy started off being an asshole and all defensive and weird with the camera before she even asked him a question. i think he was a dipshit. to me, big effin deal. i live in usa, thanks, haveaniceday. not: am i being detained? am i being detained? am i free to go...fuckin dumb way to 'fight' for rights, imo. edit: i get what u guys r saying, about saying as little as possible and all that, but i would think that guys strange defensive attitude would have made them want to search him, or detain him. they can, can't they? probable cause covers a broad spectrum of situations, no? __________________ "Bad is never good until worse happens." -Danish Proverb Last edited by spicoli; 05-11-2008 at 12:36 AM.

05-11-2008, 01:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
Prophet Saddam Crazy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA Posts: 15,350 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 1,625 Thanked 289 Times in 207 Posts	How hard would it have been for the officer of the law to respond that no, he was not being detained, and that yes, he was free to leave? Neither are shining examples of humanity, but the interaction serves as a tutorial of sorts in how to exercise your rights. __________________ blame me.

05-11-2008, 05:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
kameelyun FF6 Shadow Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cincinasti Posts: 1,486 Thanks: 23 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	Thanks for posting that video, PS. I would agree with you that the one simple question, if answered, would have led to further questions until she had reason to feel suspicious. I just posted the video over at 911 blogger, by the way. By the way, this might be a good time to review this most helpful video with regard to exercising your rights during even the most stressful police enounters: Most of us have likely seen this, but as the narrator says at the end: "...But do you really think this one-time viewing will prepare you for the pressure and confusion of an actual traffic stop, say, in a month or a year from now? Review this video often." __________________ Ken Gorman paid the ultimate price in his fight against the drug war. A hero and a patriot. Honored to have known you. RIP Last edited by kameelyun; 05-11-2008 at 06:08 PM.

05-10-2008, 09:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
pacman fuck me in the beard Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 152 Thanks: 10 Thanked 27 Times in 20 Posts	Agreed. This guy is just being an asshole to someone doing their job. You think she likes standing out there in the heat dealing with pricks like this everyday? Fuck dude, answer the question "do you live here" and move on. There's no "Man" here and I am baffled why you "commend this 'gentlemen'."

05-10-2008, 10:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
generic_hippie question authority Join Date: May 2003 Location: 20 km's from Nimbin, Australia Posts: 4,181 Thanks: 61 Thanked 191 Times in 140 Posts	fuck the person doing their job what happened to freedom? If you accept laws like these they will continue to pile them up, but if you resist by making it impossible for her to be "just doing her job" of curtailing freedom and collecting stats, then perhaps they will think before tracking your movements without cause.

05-10-2008, 10:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
LetsPlayYourWay YaHookan Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 44 Thanked 150 Times in 112 Posts	I'd say they were both retarded. She for not answering his question the first time he asked it and him for doing the same. And i guarantee you if it was some 200+lbs male border agent that the dude in the car would have been screaming "don't tase me bro" by the end of the clip.

05-10-2008, 05:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
pacman fuck me in the beard Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 152 Thanks: 10 Thanked 27 Times in 20 Posts	Well thanks to all the mexicanos hopping the border at free will, we are forced to carry around our papers. I say fuck the war on drugs and put the money into a wall

05-15-2008, 12:45 AM	#15 (permalink)
patriot YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: United States of Saudi Arabiaa Posts: 1,328 Thanks: 4 Thanked 37 Times in 28 Posts	Bottom line here is... The Supreme Court does not recognize detainment. The officer is on taxpayer's salary and has to answer to the gent in the car, not the other way around. I have done these things myself. He obviously set out to do exactly what he did. He had his camera with him. He asked for the supervisor's name. Checkpoints have become commonplace during the Bush regime. Do not succumb to these, even if you have nothing to hide. They have been known to plant things. I have stood up to many authorative people in the past twenty years. I have cost some of them their jobs. That is the first thing I go after because they are not interested in public safety, only job security. This is why they so adamately support prohibitionist laws which keeps crime and drug dealers in place. I start asking for supervisors when they step on my rights. I tell the supervisor to remove them from the force or I will go to his/her supervisor. I wonder what kind of day the poor young lady had after he left. They put themselves in the position by choice. When you act politically, sometimes the situation gets awkward, especially when you get caught by surprise by someone who knows how to exercise his rights. __________________ The Lord giveth, and the government taketh away. It is immoral to legislate morality. You have no rights unless you exercise them. A true patriot is always ready to stand up against his own government. Insanity is defined as doing the same things over and over again while expecting different results. Excuse me, I have to go wave my Amerikaan flag now. I'm a lot of things, but brainwashed is not one of them. Support your local police state. Last edited by patriot; 05-15-2008 at 12:48 AM.

05-15-2008, 01:12 PM	#16 (permalink)
Rubix Stoner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,955 Thanks: 46 Thanked 40 Times in 34 Posts	it just goes to show that the whole checkpoint is illegal. __________________ would you like a cone with that?

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