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[Bud Head]

Originally Posted by stoneric

Really? As many people want me banned as those 2 legendary members. I'm honored. But I think you might be embelishing things a biit.

Not as many but there are several.

[Bud Head]

For all those who are throwing post around for fun (trolling) are fixing to get banned from this forum...

Just a nice warning before it happens.

[generic_hippie]

Originally Posted by WildWill

at least you admit that it's personal.

of course its personal

Personally, I think as a community, we can do better than dubstyle311 for moderation of the A&P forum.

Extremism is a fair description of his views, troll is a fair description of his activities given his stated distaste for the aims of Yahooka.

I've offered him the opportunity to step aside, to moderate his own moderating (of threads he participates in only), I've asked for a vote from only regular A&P posters with more than 100 posts already accumulated in there to prevent stacking.

There have been claims of inpropriety from at least three separate sources, excluding me.

There have been numerous threats made to my membership by the admin, other peoples memberships have been threatened also.

Yet there is a steadfast refusal to ackowledge that if we don't respect the people who are moderating, then we can't hold much respect for the moderator's authority.

Not one person has been able to acknowledge the question "why is it so important dubstyle311 remain on as moderator?"

Let alone answer it.

[JcP]

Originally Posted by Bud Head

For all those who are throwing post around for fun (trolling) are fixing to get banned from this forum...

Just a nice warning before it happens.

I have no idea who you are talking to, but since you mentioned "fun" I hope you're not talking about me, as my "fun" was to make a point to Dub.

[DubStyle311]

I dont think he was, JcP.

[generic_hippie]

Originally Posted by DubStyle311

I dont think he was, JcP.

You're talking as though you've actually adressed the issue JcP raised...


here, I'll quote it for you so you can address it.

Originally Posted by JcP

what is? barnyard sex?

you edited that quote in, so here's my edit....I'm going to disect your post in that thread line by line in the hopes you can see the proverbial light.

if educated people were on t.v. and were talking about pig fuckers, would this give me the freedom to post my "are all republicans pig fuckers?"

Dub, you and I both know your real motivation for that thread.

"Is it possible that black culture in America is too far gone to ever recover?"

this wasn't a question. You believe it to be true but you phrased it as such to play coy.

I think we can all agree the decline started in the 70s and manifested itself in 80s.

not the decline of low-income blacks, not the decline of families (of any race) who engage in drugs/rap music/whatever, not the decline of anything specific, simply "THE DECLINE."


The breakdown of the African American family structure, crack, gangs, poverty. Based on everything I can see shit is only getting worse.

Clumping all blacks into a stereotype without pointing out you are using one to make a point. Then providing no information to support this other than "based on everything I can see..."


Each generation is crazier than the last.

TROLL. No reason to include this, but to bait people to bitch at you.


I think a lot of it has gotta be from the lack of a strong family unit - specifically the lack of fathers. Is this problem going to be remedied by the current generation? I dont think so.

And there's the rub. "I don't think so." You weren't asking a question for debate. You were making a POINT. A point based on stereotypes phrased in a way to make you seem innocent (as a question).

Maybe they wont overcome?

baiting.

you wont answer though, you'll just throw out the occasional one liner as bait to say come and get yourself banned by my defender...

trolling bait

[Bud Head]

Originally Posted by JcP

I have no idea who you are talking to, but since you mentioned "fun" I hope you're not talking about me, as my "fun" was to make a point to Dub.

No sir not for you..

This was to the members who are trying to throw this off topic with the barnyard sex..

Since it has nothing to do with this topic or A&P, they will be banned if this continues..


Just giving them fair warning...

[DubStyle311]

I actually didnt see his edit gh, thank you. I would be happy to respond.

Originally Posted by JcP

"Is it possible that black culture in America is too far gone to ever recover?"

This is a question. I dont see anything in it that indicates otherwise. I, as well as many other social scholars, can see a huge change in black culture starting in the late 80s an early 90s. MLK and other black icons from the civil rights movements were all about education, and elevating themselves. Look at the early days of rap. There were generally positive messages in those songs that motivated people to be better. Things clearly changed in the 90s. Rap music became very negative. It was about gangs, drugs, flossin, stayin street, fuck this fuck that. There was a clear change there and that goes beyond just my opinion. It's fact, look at the evidence. The civil rights movement, as I mentioned, promoted positive values such as education and bettering oneself. Something went wrong though at some point and everything was flipped on its head. Now, with such negative messages being sent to kids, its fair to wonder if such an environment is suitable to the kind of cultural advancement that every ethnic group in this country besides WASPS had to make. That is a completely legitimate question.

I think we can all agree the decline started in the 70s and manifested itself in 80s.

I'm not just pulling this out of thin air man. I've seen many documentaries and shows and heard ppl on TV isolate the 80s and the coinciding factors of crack and gangs as the begging of a tipping point in the urban black community.


The breakdown of the African American family structure, crack, gangs, poverty. Based on everything I can see shit is only getting worse.

There is a lot of information to support such a claim. I have seen numerous documentaries on HBO on this subject and there are many scholars on this subject who attribute this cultural change to the breakdown of the family structure and the movement of middle class manufacturing jobs out of urban environments. Events that took place in the 70s.

There is absolutely a change that happened. African Americans have their own culture in this country just like every other racial or ethnic minority. The culture of blacks in the 50's and the civil rights movement is very very different than that of the 90s or 2000's. Somewhere in between things changed. Do you disagree with this?


Each generation is crazier than the last.

This was an allusion to a quote/theme from the Wire. The Wire is a critically acclaimed show that looked at black culture, urban plight, the drug war, families, schools, police etc. Any one who has seen it will tell you not only that its is remarkably realistic but it asks serious questions and brings sometimes unmentioned truths to light. One such theme was exactly what I mentioned. I dont want to bring up any spoilers about the show but if youve seen it you'd know what I'm talking about.

I think a lot of it has gotta be from the lack of a strong family unit - specifically the lack of fathers. Is this problem going to be remedied by the current generation? I dont think so.

I'm making a point that people can respond to. These are issues that are frequently brought up in this discussion and like aids said, its a commonly discussed and often cited issue that is brought up by scholars who discuss this.


Maybe they wont overcome?
This was a funny line that came up in a discussion I was having with some people on the subject...based on the civil rights chant "we shall overcome". You're being too critical here.

[generic_hippie]

answering here is hardly appropriate dubstyle, the discussion is not the accusation.

I just bumped the blackwater armory thread where you behaved in exactly the same way.

BLACKWATER Armory Raided buys ak's for untrained deputys so keep them at the business

You refuse to back up your crap, called my assumptions false and left the discussion.

It's a pattern of behaviour, just as somebody who is used to using threats to get his/her own way will always resort to the matheod when the negotiating gets tough, you have a clearly distinguishable pattern of beaviour that can only be described as trollish.

[Bud Head]

Originally Posted by generic_hippie

You're talking as though you've actually adressed the issue JcP raised...


here, I'll quote it for you so you can address it.



you wont answer though, you'll just throw out the occasional one liner as bait to say come and get yourself banned by my defender...

trolling bait

As I see it, you troll, bait, and so much more than others in just about every forum.. Even in feed back you throw a lot of off topic shit in that has absolutely no reason to be in that forum or topics there of.. But you still do it.. But you want your voice to be heard when you have an agenda..

You think you are the only one allowed to make calls.. Those other members who so wish for you to be banned have no right to ask for you to be banned, in your opinion.. But They have just as much right as you to ask for anything..

This is why we have mods of all varieties.. This way we can come to an agreement between us that is best for the boards and not just a few who have strong opinions...

There have been conversations between all the mods over this deal and for now dub stays.. This could change at any second, but he has agreed to what the other mods and I have asked of him..


The reason I have let this thread go with out closing is so that every one knows that if they want to call shots around here, then other members also have the rights to call shots.. I will not bow down to you and not bow down to those who want you removed..


If test clear wants me gone, then he knows and has the power to remove me.. From my conversations with him, He doesn't want me gone at all!


I am going to close this thread and get back to fixing templates on the site so people can get their stuff working...

Please refrain from making or discussing this topic any more... I am going to keep this thread to discuss with charles/testclear..

If there are any changes or more to be done, then I will make a thread saying so..


To all those who spoke out in this thread, thanks for your input.. Everything is duely noted and will be kept for future assessments.. You can never tell what may happen tomorrow.