Communist Healthcare that Americans don't want , take 5....

[stoneric]

but stoneric the liberal media tells me the tide is turning and every american boy and girl has picked up a hammer and sickle now?

deja vu would imply that people are still voiceferously against it oui?

I meant deja vu in the sense that you started a thread very similar to this not long ago with socialism as the theme. It seems like I've been here before.

[zerodown]

You know, I think I have doubts with this thing.

I do think every body should be able to get free health care, because well, its health mother fucker, if we have the resources and the technology to cure people, we should cure them.

However, I don't think government should be in control of it, we all know government is just too corrupt. I also think this because I live in puerto rico, a territory of the united states, and for some years we have had "La reforma", free health care for everyone. And let me tell you, its a fucking mess. Everyone who has to use it hates it, hell there was a scandal where doctors weren't checking their patients fully because the less they spent using the insurance the fatter the christmas bonus.

So, yes I personally think everyone deserves free healthcare, but, if not government, who will take care of it? Certainly the insuance companies can't be trusted either.

But what do I know?

[Ego Tripping]

There's a bill on the floor right now that would give states the ability to provide the 'public option' if they choose to do so, much like the states run the schools. I say this is by far the best choice for everyone.

[zerodown]

I think the states should be able to make their own decisions on everything, its the most logical thing.

[Ego Tripping]

I do agree...and I do admit that Obama's policies don't entirely line up with that...although in regards to the good herb, this administration does seem to be taking a more hands-off approach, which is a good sign and I hope continues.

And while the lesser of two evils is never a happy choice, I'm glad that the government is going to be more involved with giving health care to less fortunate than wiretapping it's own citizens. Talk about giving up freedom for security (looking at you, j).

[JcP]

There's a bill on the floor right now that would give states the ability to provide the 'public option' if they choose to do so, much like the states run the schools. I say this is by far the best choice for everyone.

sounds good...only obvious issue I see is people from state A not buying health insurance, only to cross over into state B to get "free" healthcare.

If you have to be a resident of the state, I'm awaiting the "you're going to let meh DIE?!" t.v. specials.

but sure. this seems like a competent compromise.

The public option has never been a government takeover of healthcare, simply one option among many...anyone still towing the "communism" or "government takeover" is either a cypher and intentionally lying, or ignorant and choosing political identity over reality.
It's amazing to me this shit is still being argued about...it's like...what else can you say other than "that is not true" to these people?

[DdC]

You insult the working class calling them communist. They pay the taxes your money-sluts don't pay. Your lies have caught up and now its time to fry. Your word is shit. You say anything the Insurance rackets tell you. Fox entertainment is your bible and it has failed. Tell the Americans without insurance to go to the ER's. paid by taxes you fucking idiot. Its not even the poor, they have medicaid and medical here. Its the small business and Wallmart workers not having the means to deal with unexpected tragedy. You are one sick bastard to keep harping on buzz words when so many "teabaggers" are losing their loved ones, homes and jobs. I can't even imagine how anyone could be against health insurance.

It shouldn't even be a for profit issue, CEO salaries and plain Nazi genocide keep the prices out of reach for most. Same lying traitors whining about paying a living wage. Same cowards getting the tax breaks sinking us deeper in debt to cover fabricated wars both domestic and in foreign deserts. Such Un-Americans, your lies can't stand the test of even this short period of time. Glum Bluck and Rush are out of hot air except for the totally brain-dead. Stop this embarrassment, Boosh degraded the country enough. Cheney wiped his ass with the Constitution with the same obedient blood lusting chickenhawks dodging the draft. Delay and the Dick Armey. Even rednecks think its getting old.

Their kids get sick and they have to wait in ER lines with all the others, regardless of citizenship. What the fuck do you care, you just sell it. Like the drug war, just sell it, doesn't matter about consequences. Just dump toxins in the water, you don't live there, just own the buildings. You are the communist, Wallstreet and the Military Industrial paraphernalia whores and pimps, stealing the treasury and whole heartily need tried as war criminals. You show your treason every post siding with G-20 fascism over your own countrymen and women and babies. One sick yuppie what ever moniker your using today JKFeeery. aka; the asshole.



NUMBER OF AMERICANS WITHOUT INSURANCE
REACHES HIGHEST LEVEL ON RECORD

The principal reason for the further decline in health insurance coverage is the continued erosion of employment-based insurance coverage, spurred by continued escalation in the cost of health insurance.

47 Million Americans Without Health Insurance, Census Report

Let Congress Go Without Insurance



Evil Republicans, Or Stupid Republicans?
Current vote is in favor of "stupid." Please go here to see the prank "USA Patriot Pledge" that 237 people actually signed and mailed in. (Sample pledge: "I commit my children to pay for the wars America is fighting."

WE'RE NOT NAZIS! Screams the Right Wing Media
O'Reilly's nearest and dearest, it seems. After sucessfully ignoring the lynching apology in the Senate whereby mostly Northern Senators apologized for the crimes of the Southern Senators nearly all of whom refused themselves to apologize, the media reverted back to what they love doing the most: screaming Nazi-style abuse at Democrats and liberals whenever any of them dare mention the gross similarities between modern Republicans and old style Nazis.



Freshman Congressman Sums Up GOP On Health Care: "Die Quickly"
Freshman Congressman Alan Grayson attempted--about 2 months too late--to turn the GOP death panel rhetoric around, taking to the House floor for a late-night, only-for-CSPAN speech to tell the five people watching that "Republicans want you to die quickly."

[Terry]

To hell with compromise, I'm so goddamn sick of the democrats running from every battle.

STAND UP FOR YOUR FUCKING BELIEFS

They call you a socialist, fine. They say you're a tyrant, fine. Better to be remembered as the party of the people than the party of the waffle.

[zerodown]

To live or not to live should not be decided by a person's balance in his/her bank account.

But what do I know?

[flappy]

Another issue THEY picked for us to squabble over. Meanwhile we'll be paying $3.00 for a potato next year as the dollar is (not so)slowly tanking.
If I were to pick an issue it would be "Leave us alone !"



You take Sally
I'll take Sue
Ain't no difference
Between the two.

[Mercury]

Socialized healthcare is just ONE MORE STEP in the wrong direction.

We pay for:

Government housing
Government food
Government utilities
Government social workers
Government medicine
Government retirement
Government land
Government this
Government that

Not to mention we pay for the entire government itself. Before long we'll all be working for the government and being paid with government clothes and government toothpaste and we'll go home to our government cells and look forward to our yearly government medical exam. All money printed will be property of the federal government and will be decided for us how it should be spent.

[flappy]

Socialized healthcare is just ONE MORE STEP in the wrong direction.

We pay for:

Government housing
Government food
Government utilities
Government social workers
Government medicine
Government retirement
Government land
Government this
Government that

Not to mention we pay for the entire government itself. Before long we'll all be working for the government and being paid with government clothes and government toothpaste and we'll go home to our government cells and look forward to our yearly government medical exam. All money printed will be property of the federal government and will be decided for us how it should be spent.

That's the plan, Merc. You summed it up better than anyone else. Be prepared to be attacked by those who think that system would be just fine and present "intellectual" reasons for it.

[John F. Kerry]

interesting points all around dudes and dudettes .


/says dudettes rather hopefully because its def been a sausage fest so far

[stoneric]

That's the plan, Merc. You summed it up better than anyone else. Be prepared to be attacked by those who think that system would be just fine and present "intellectual" reasons for it.

Like his intellectual reasons why government anything is bad? Or his intellectual reason for leaping from social programs to living in government cells?

[Mercury]

Like his intellectual reasons why government anything is bad? Or his intellectual reason for leaping from social programs to living in government cells?

You see the progression don't you? You tell me where the line get's drawn. Go ahead, tell me where the line is.

As I see it there are two things that will happen after socialized healthcare in the U.S.:

A: A utopia is born and we enjoy the fruits of our labor.

B: The federal government still stands and needs something else to do.

It doesn't end, don't you get it? There is no point in history where a government has effectively *stopped* assuming power before the point where it's citizens were bankrupted.

We should know this by now and trust our government accordingly.

[verklingen]

how is providing a public health insurance option for people without insurance a government power grab? seriously, someone needs to fucking answer because it's regurgitated ad nauseum with absolutely no basis

and flappy, you've brought up the dollar before. what makes our dollar so special? aren't many of our banks -- along with out biggest bank, the FED -- the ones who basically destroyed the dollar? why should our dollar survive when the financial institution it animates continues to crumble? it's an unfair institution and the dollar is an unfair reserve. upholding the dollar is upholding the very thing you say we should fight. let it die; it's a symbol of greed and their machinations to save it are empty!

[flappy]

how is providing a public health insurance option for people without insurance a government power grab? seriously, someone needs to fucking answer because it's regurgitated ad nauseum with absolutely no basis

and flappy, you've brought up the dollar before. what makes our dollar so special? aren't many of our banks -- along with out biggest bank, the FED -- the ones who basically destroyed the dollar? why should our dollar survive when the financial institution it animates continues to crumble? it's an unfair institution and the dollar is an unfair reserve. upholding the dollar is upholding the very thing you say we should fight. let it die; it's a symbol of greed and their machinations to save it are empty!

Because you will need the dollar to buy your kids diapers, gas for your car and taxes for your house (which you can't own.) I totally agree with you...it's an unfair institution
You won't be able to use Euros here, Verk. As I mentioned in my private messages to you, the dollar will tank and has been tanking.
I hear people say "well nothings happened yet, why should we think anything will?" I wish we all had grandparents or great grandparents we could talk to that lived thru The Great Depression and how they lived with NO unemployment checks, health insurance and NO money. They didn't see it coming either. Talk to the old ones, it was not an easy transition. Don't think that if you're a nice guy, nothing catastrophic can happen to you because nothing HAS happened to you.

[Mercury]

how is providing a public health insurance option for people without insurance a government power grab? seriously, someone needs to fucking answer because it's regurgitated ad nauseum with absolutely no basis

Because you need copious amounts of power to enact a national healthcare system. You need trillions of dollars and you need to enact and enforce a pleathora of new laws which ultimately translate into restrictions (i.e. losses of freedoms for some individuals). That is power grabbing on a historical level.

[verklingen]

a national healthcare system is not being enacted. . . i fail to follow

[Terry]

Switch out health care for the Bush playbook post 9/11 and the result is eery and a perfect demonstration of the convinient amnesia you right wingers seem to be suffering from.

edit: yea that was directed at Merc