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Old 10-15-2009, 03:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bush EPA Confirm Global Warming in email sent to W.H. that was never opened

The Associated Press: Obama EPA releases Bush-era global warming finding

WASHINGTON — A controversial e-mail message buried by the Bush
administration because of its conclusions on global warming surfaced
Tuesday, nearly two years after it was first sent to the White House and
never opened.

The e-mail and the 28-page document attached to it, released Tuesday by
the Environmental Protection Agency, show that back in December of 2007
the agency concluded that six gases linked to global warming pose dangers
to public welfare, and wanted to take steps to regulate their release from
automobiles and the burning of gasoline.

The document specifically cites global warming's effects on air quality,
agriculture, forestry, water resources and coastal areas as endangering
public welfare.


EPA releases additional evidence of Bush's global warming secrecy


On October 13, 2009, the Environmental Protection Agency released a copy
of a Bush/Cheney administration’s EPA report on global warming, previously
acknowledged to exist, but only just released to the public under the Freedom of Information Act.

The report written in 2007 had restrained and measured language, with
minimal detail, suggesting the EPA biologists were weary of how the White
House might react. It became well known that the Bush/Cheney team did not
want to regulate greenhouse gases.

None-the-less, their EPA 2007 report conclusion was the same as the Obama
administration EPA findings in 2009: scientific evidence concluded that
curbing C02 emissions was critical to avoid serious consequences to the
country on a health, economic, and security level.

“The report demonstrates that in 2007 the science was as clear as it is
today," Adora Andy, an EPA spokeswoman, said. "The conclusions reached
then by EPA scientists should have been made public and should have been
considered”—as part of the on going national debate.

"Both reach the same conclusion: the public is endangered and regulation is
required," said Jason Burnett, a former associate deputy administrator.
Burnett resigned from the EPA in June 2008 over the frustration of the Bush
administration's inaction on climate change. "Science and the law transcend
politics."

This jives with 2006/07 photographs that were finally declassified
and released to the public by the Obama administration in July, 2009. They
were taken from space by NASA at the same location two years apart. The
sea ice had completely disappeared.


Furthermore, the U. S. Military had thousands of photographs that
were kept secret by the Bush administration. This particular set of
photographs emphasizes the dramatic reduction in sea ice along Port of
Barrow, Alaska, taken from satellites in July, 2006.
Photographs from
the same position at the site were taken again in July, 2007. The difference
was astonishing. Photographic evidence for 2008 and 2009 don’t give reason
to be optimistic about any reversal in the damage.

In fact, Canadian Astronaut, Bob Thirsk, made some interesting observations
from the International Space Station on Sunday, July 26, 2009.


Thirsk had not seen the glaciers from space for twelve years and he was
taken by surprise at the difference he observed—and he felt sad. He saw
signs of human destruction as he gazed down at the planet, through a
fragile, thin layer of Earth’s atmosphere that protects all life.


“These are one-metre resolution images, which give you a big picture of the
summer time Arctic”, said Thorsten Markus of Nasa’s Goddard Space Flight
Centre.

The pictures are proof of more than 1 million kilometers of vanishing sea ice in
2007 as compared to the previous year is a jaw-dropping loss. Polar bears,
seals, walruses, and other wildlife are already being nudged closer to
extinction by melting sea ice, dwindling habitat, and reduced food source.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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/facepalm.


can't say I'm surprised, but seriously....wtf.
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Old 10-15-2009, 05:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Mainstream says 20% of US now covered in snow. Show me the warmth. IT'S OCTOBER !

Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com Early start to winter ?20% of USA is covered in snow already
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:25 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Flat Earthers should follow the UFO's off the edge.

Oh them clean air commies. Flapster you are a glum bluck moron without a doubt. Boosh is an asshole, no one cares or is surprized he hid the laws of physics from idiots. CO2 retains heat numbnuts, put more out it retains more from deflecting into outer space. Heat expands H2O, islands and coastal areas get flooded. Ocean plants and fish get less oxygen and die. Fossil Fools not only spew CO2, they contain sulfur and dioxins. Who but an idiot would protest clean air and not contributing to polluting the planet with any human adulterations. Why are you even here GOPervert?

Hemp is outlawed because of fossil fools/chemicals, meat inc and Big Ag Biz spraying poisons Hemp doesn't need. After making clothing, food and oil you get biomass/ethanol. Biodiesel from the seed oil, though many plants have better oil yields, none are as versatile. Carbohydrates cellulose grown by family farmers vs Wallstreet Hydrocarbon cellulose we send kids to die for in trumped up oil wars, just to spew carcinogens on innocents. Ganja could treat the sick but the same cowards have it outlawed too.

So you prove once again your entire ideology and existence depends on Faux News and Oxy too racist to own a sports franchise Limbog. International corporations with no allegiance to Americans are getting rich on traffic jams, drug wars and Iraq police actions. Why do so many numbnuts just let Exxon spill oil at a cost of $100 billion in clean up cost and lost fisheries and fishing fleets. Paid by the tax payers, so Pal one gets a presidential bid? Exxon finances her campaign and she sells out Alaska. Flapper cheers eek eek...

Physics says Ganja is not a schedule #1 narcotic. Yet the same mouthfarting gossipers diverting reality have kept it illegal almost 72 years. Keeping competition off the free trade market shelves. Keeping crud oil monopolies wrapped in plastic that doesn't biodegrade. Thats corporatism, getting tax subsidies, but where are the teabog ditties? Drill for more using bio diesel drills to cover cost? Ain't that special. Shutdown the Ganjawar and declare a WarOn ChevrON ExxON and their groupie MorONs.

The only puzzle is, are you ignorant by teaching, in which case maybe some slight chance, or just too many generations of sheopledom and a lost cause? I fear the later. Physics boy, not how much heat is produced by CO2, not political parties opinions or conniving lowlife scumbag lobbyists or Boosh. These fossil freaks seem to treat innocent Americans, including kids, like the enemy. Only instead of killing them they just make them sick with chemical adulterations, then sell them chemical drugs to treat it. Abort more than RvW, while thumping bibles blowing up clinics and shooting doctors sitting in church. Outlawing the alternative and potentially the cures and preventives. So Faux Newts Administrated Education Deprivation rears its ugly pointed head again. Its how much heat remains from the sun billybob, you know that big hot yeller thang keeps circling us.

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Old 10-16-2009, 02:00 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by flappy View Post
Mainstream says 20% of US now covered in snow. Show me the warmth. IT'S OCTOBER !

Alex Jones’ Prison Planet.com Early start to winter ?20% of USA is covered in snow already
I refuse to discuss climate change with anyone who thinks it equates to "warmer weather". You clearly know nothing about this topic.
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Who said warmer weather besides Al Gore ? It's a fraud made for Al's carbon tax brokerage house.

Go Thundercats.
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DC went from global change to hemp and of course Booosh...which he secretly loves.
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I refuse to discuss climate change with anyone who thinks it equates to "warmer weather". You clearly know nothing about this topic.
Mhm, climate change and global warming are two entirely different things. Notable differences are one's a natural cycle, and one's hypothetical.

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | What happened to global warming?
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climate change is a cycle, right. The climate change we are experiencing now, however, is being heavily influenced by our contribution of greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere and complete disregard for balance.
I don't understand why people who don't "believe" in man-made climate change think the media is in the bag, and yet when an article comes out that somehow agrees with their viewpoints, suddenly using a massive media outlet to prove a point is logical and correct. Not saying you're doing that Nun, but others have been.

that article was discussed in another thread, so I'm not going to repost all the reasons why this article is misleading (again).

In short, however:

If human actions are contributing to climate change: we should stop polluting to slow down the process.

if human actions are NOT contributing to climate change: we shoud stop polluting because pollution sucks and makes you sick and destroys the planet.


So while I find the anti-climate change movement absurd (how the hell could someone think what we are doing to the planet won't affect it? baffling. And I'll take the word of the huge majority of people who've spent their lives studying this over couch-scientists and the rare professional), I can only hope we can all agree that the methodology and solutions posed to stop "climate change" should be implemented regardless of reason, yes?
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You'll pay for polluting allright. Don't bitch when you're moving back into mom's house, at age 30, cause you can't afford to live on your own.
But we won't be polluting that much anyway...since there are half the factories now as there was 30 years ago. It's just starting.
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you wanna play video clip?







and most importantly, the logical agreement we should be able to make:

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for proof on climate change (edit- and our hand in it), this guy (potholer54 on youtube) can't be beat. also makes some great vids debunking claims creationists make to refute science









sorry to make so many videos in this thread but these really can't be passed up
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You'll pay for polluting allright. Don't bitch when you're moving back into mom's house, at age 30, cause you can't afford to live on your own.
But we won't be polluting that much anyway...since there are half the factories now as there was 30 years ago. It's just starting.
prove it. Where the hell are you getting that ridiculous figure? Do you mean U.S. manufacturing? I have to assume you're not actuall suggesting there are 1/2 the amount of factories in the world as there were in 1979....
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I didn't say in the world, Thunderfuck. Ever hear of NAFTA ? It all went to China,Vietnam,Cambod ia, Korea, Brazil, etc. etc.
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I didn't say in the world, Thunderfuck. Ever hear of NAFTA ? It all went to China,Vietnam,Cambod ia, Korea, Brazil, etc. etc.
you're right. You didn't say in the world. You seem incapable of writing in coherant sentences, leaving it up to the reader to determine wtf you're going on about.

"But we won't be polluting that much anyway...since there are half the factories now as there was 30 years ago. It's just starting."


forgive me Flappy. I don't see how I could assume you meant there are 1/2 the amount of factories (in the world) as there was 30 years ago. CLEARLY, you were talking about American factories. "We" is clearly Americans, not humans, when discussing a global issue like Climate change.

that being said, once again, I'd love if you could prove that figure for me. Seems this guy for some liberal propoganda machine called "The Wall Street Journal" says 1997 was the year in which America had the largest number of active factories. Shrug. Must be an ignorant dude who thinks he knows more than he does. Sounds familiar.

U.S. 'Birthrate' For New Factories Is Steadily Falling: Decline Prompts Concern About Long-Term Health Of Nation's Manufacturing TIMOTHY AEPPEL / Wall Street Journal 15mar2006


PS-- NAFTA was signed in 1992. Which is irrelevant to discussing your "30 year" decrease in manufacturing jobs...but this is neither here nor there.
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lol do you know what nafta stands for and that none of those countries are in north america?
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"But while the mainstream media promote his ideas about the state of planet Earth, they are mostly silent about the dramatic impact his economic proposals would have on America. And journalists routinely ignore evidence that he may personally benefit from his programs. Would the romance fizzle if Gore’s followers realized how much their man stands to gain?"

Would the mainstream thinkers here think differently? I doubt it, there still in the left/right thing like DdC or scream "you're a creationist" if you disagree with their science editors they see on (mainstream)CNN.

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lol do you know what nafta stands for and that none of those countries are in north america?
5 bucks says he avoids the topic and getting caught making shit up and responds with some sort of personal attack or weirdly formed "conspiracy".

edit: shit, he went with the topic change strategy.

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Is Flippy Just a Boring Troll?

Flippy your a joke, lapdog for moneysluts. Hemp reduces CO2 emissions your master Boosh spewed without regard. Killing kids for profit. You show us your ignorance with every mouthfart you release. Your pitiful dude. Just a sick slimy troll killing Americans in the name of profit. What do you get out of it, a pat on the head and a boner from oxybog? Your hate for Americans shows. You hate so called "liberals" so much you sound retarded. Afraid of clean air? Thats weak. Why are you so paranoid of simpleton Al Gore? Like we've said numerous times, but shitkickers like flappy always miss. Why do you hate America and working Americans? Stealing taxes from the sick, polluting the water babies drink and the air they breath. For a few bucks? You slimeball toad. Global warming kills and only knuckle dragging pinheads are left in denial. Except those making the big bucks spewing carbon, patting flapjacks lil pointy head, good boy, thatsa good lapdoggy. Go fetch! Pitifuckingfools, just bloody ridiculous.

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