On the subject of "staged hoaxes" (inspired by balloon boy)...

[kameelyun]

A friend and I were just discussing this last night.

Folk, look at this close up, high resolution, color image of the lunar module.

Now call me crazy (I'm sure some no doubt will), but: Is it just me or does this "lunar module" look more than anything like a prop for a high school theater set? It's so non-symmetrical and looks like it's largely made of paper and curtain rods. Are we supposed to look at this and actually believe man landed on the moon in this thing? Doesn't it look like someone took their fist and punched a hole in it, ripping the construction paper?

[Flamingnun]

What does your lunar landing module look like?

[verklingen]

come on, really?

[scottishbastard]

I dunno. It does look kind of crappy, but I have nothing to compare it to. How about the moon landing as a whole?

[stateofkane]

You would think they would have done a better job staging the moon landing, but they got sloppy no doubt.

If they can send a rocket into space then they can land someone on the moon. It isn't that far away.

[Terry]

What the moon conspiracy theorists fail to mention, maybe even realize, is that we haven't just gone once, we've gone six times. Once we went so close to the original landing spot they could see the flag the original crew left behind.

This is of course, all moot when compared to the final striking axe of evidence, which is that with a good enough telescope one can see, with their own two eyes, the original Apollo landing sight.

So yes, we really did land on the moon. Sorry.

[verklingen]

seriously wtf

[kameelyun]

What the moon conspiracy theorists fail to mention, maybe even realize, is that we haven't just gone once, we've gone six times. Once we went so close to the original landing spot they could see the flag the original crew left behind.

I am very well aware that according to official history we've been six times. With regard to your second statement: Is there any official (or unofficial) documentation of this?

This is of course, all moot when compared to the final striking axe of evidence, which is that with a good enough telescope one can see, with their own two eyes, the original Apollo landing sight.

Actually, the FOX TV special in 2000 made the point that there are no telescopes, on earth itself, which are powerful enough to zoom all the way in to the original Apollo site.

Last year (or the year before), unmanned Japanese spacecraft apparently took pictures of every square inch of the moon. One would think that they would have released photos of our original landing site in order to put the conspiracy theories to rest.

So yes, we really did land on the moon. Sorry.

Believe it or not, Terry, I would rather believe that we did go. It is, after all, considered to be mankind's ultimate achievement. I've become skeptical of it after examining some of the arguments in favor of the hoax, but as I do not have the specific astronautic expertise, I have been trying to give the official history defenders some benefit of doubt...

To be frank, it was looking at the photo presented in my OP which has made me most suspicious of all... more than the arguments about un-parallel shadows, no blast crater, flag flapping in the wind, etc. I really find it extremely difficult to look at that photo and actually believe that that thing is not made of construction paper and curtain rods.

[kameelyun]

For those who have NOT seen the well known Fox TV program, which was slanted surprisingly in favor of the hoax, here it is. It should be noted that the NASA spokesman who was brought in to defend the official story was unable to provide any cogent arguments in rebuttal.

[stateofkane]

^ You believe in every conspiracy theory. Is there any major event where you believe the official story?

I can understand believing in a few, but you make it look really bad believing in so many. You reaffirm my belief that conspiracy theorists are nuts.

[v3d4]

yes there was a mythbusters episode about this that seemed pretty convincing

this is neither current nor political

[Terry]

Last year (or the year before), unmanned Japanese spacecraft apparently took pictures of every square inch of the moon. One would think that they would have released photos of our original landing site in order to put the conspiracy theories to rest.

This is just an example of the "well if the Hubble telescope is so great why hasn't it taken a picture of the landing site" argument. Again Kamee, why would anyone bother to go through the volumes of pictures to find something everyone already knows is there?

Just like with 9/11 and Oklahoma City you use the faulty logic that since YOU don't believe the story and need further proof, NOBODY believes the story and all need further proof. If I recall the Discovery Channel documentary correctly there are pictures of the Apollo landing and I'm sure they'd be more than easy to find.

I'm sorry but I really don't feel like proving something which so obviously happened. It's like proving the sky is blue.

[Terry]

And let's not forget the fact that IT WAS ALL VIDEOTAPED FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[kameelyun]

Just like with 9/11 and Oklahoma City you use the faulty logic that since YOU don't believe the story and need further proof, NOBODY believes the story and all need further proof.

Please don't compare this to OKC or 9/11. Those events' official explanations are false beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you can't see through the official explanations of those events there's no hope. I will debate anyone any time on those false flag attacks.

I'm still agnostic on this however. I am open to all views, but from you I'm hearing a clear confirmation bias in favor of the official history.

[Terry]

Well that's kind of insulting.

I've been obsessed with space and space travel as far back as I can remember, just because I have watched the docs, read the literature, and heard eyewitness testimony does not mean I'm "biased" but rather I formed an opinion out of the mountains of evidence I've seen and heard.

[kameelyun]

And let's not forget the fact that IT WAS ALL VIDEOTAPED FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

Houston, we have a problem: original moon walk footage erased

Besides, it's a moot point. If, say, the moon landings were faked, the video tapes would be coming from the very people suspected of perpetrating the hoax.

[Terry]

Once Buzz Aldrin spoke at my school when I was in junior high. He told some great stories and at the end we had a q and a, some kid asked him what he thought of the conspiracy theories. This was awhile ago so I'm paraphrasing, but what he said sealed the deal imo, he said "Well the Russians have never cried foul, and they had the most reason to, so you have to ask yourself if it was a hoax, don't you think the Soviets would have spent all their time and efforts to disprove it?"

[kameelyun]

Once Buzz Aldrin spoke at my school when I was in junior high. He told some great stories and at the end we had a q and a, some kid asked him what he thought of the conspiracy theories. This was awhile ago so I'm paraphrasing, but what he said sealed the deal imo, he said "Well the Russians have never cried foul, and they had the most reason to, so you have to ask yourself if it was a hoax, don't you think the Soviets would have spent all their time and efforts to disprove it?"

...at that time, the suggestion on the Soviet Union's part that we were faking this just beat them in the cold war, might have been inflammatory enough to possibly trigger a full blown war.

[v3d4]

oh terry you went there
i feel the same way tho. nutty ppl believe nutty things and put a lot of effort and energy into discussing such nuttiness, never ever ever with any resolution ever until eternity.
even if some of these nutty things were true (which i dont believe) it would not matter because no amount of internet threads and cable access tv shows will ever change them.
the sad thing is that these are distractions from real things that are really happening

[Terry]

...at that time, the suggestion on the Soviet Union's part that we were faking this just beat them in the cold war, might have been inflammatory enough to possibly trigger a full blown war.

I highly doubt that, given that both sides had said much worse.