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Old 10-30-2009, 12:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Apparently Guantanamo Bay has a supermax "terrorist" prison, Gitmo, that tortures the detainees who have never actually been convicted of any crimes, sexually, physically and with music...?

Their 'torture' playlist consisted of Metallica, NIN, Bruce Springstein ("born in the USA".. may not be springstein), and that's all they would leak. They would forcefully expose them to "ear‐splitting music for hours on end, which has been proven to induce states of psychosis in prisoners after just a few hours."

“All kinds of physical and psychological torture…They beat us up. They taunted us with racist insults. They locked us in cold rooms, below zero, with one cold meal a day. They hung us up by our hands. They deprived us of sleep, and when we started to fall asleep, they beat us on the head. They showed us films of the most horrendous torture sessions. They showed us photographs of torture victims — dead, swollen, covered in blood. They kept us under constant threat of being moved elsewhere to be tortured even more. They doused us with cold water. They forced us to do the military salute to the American national anthem. They forced us to wear women’s clothes. They forced us to look at pornographic images. They threatened us with rape. They would strip us naked and make us walk like donkeys, ordering us around. They made us sit down and stand up five hundred times in a row. They humiliated the detainees by wrapping them up in the Israeli and American flags, which was their way of telling us that we were imprisoned because of a religious war.

“I was interrogated and tortured more than two hundred times. Ninety-five percent of the questions were about al-Jazeera. They wanted me to work as a spy within al-Jazeera. In exchange, they offered American citizenship for myself and my family, and payment based on results. I refused. I told them repeatedly that my job is a journalist, not a spy, and that it was my duty to make the truth known and to work for the respect of human rights.”
-Sami al-Haj



# Of the 779 detainees who have spent time at Guantanamo’s detention center, 226 still remain. 550 of the detainees have already been released or transferred to another country, and only 3 have ever been convicted of any crime by the United States.

# In the United States, 145 international terrorist have been convicted since 2001 by the federal court system and sent to supermax prisons.

# No one has ever escaped from a supermax prison.

# The New York Times has estimated that operating Guantanamo costs anywhere from $90- to $118-million per year.

# With 226 detainees left, that means we spend anywhere from $400,000 to $520,000 per detainee, per year.

# Incarceration in a supermax prison costs $75,000 per inmate, per year.

# On three separate occasions – Rasul v. Bush in 2004, Hamdan v. Rumsfeld in 2006 and Boumediene v. Bush in 2008 – the Supreme Court found that key pieces of the Bush Administration’s detention policy were in violation of the US Constitution.

# Susan Crawford, the Bush Administration’s top official for reviewing practices at Guantanamo, said in January of 2009, “We tortured [Mohammed al-] Qahtani… His treatment met the legal definition of torture.”

Click here to learn more about the torture that occurred at Guantanamo.



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"This is the first step in the Democrats’ plan to import terrorists into America."


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"These are genuine human debris that are at Club Gitmo."


Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)

Town Hall Meeting, September 2, 2009
“There has never been a case of torture there. The people there are treated better than in the federal prisons. I don’t know why President Obama is obsessed with turning terrorists loose in America.”
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We are not special. We are are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, "No, that's not right." Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can't teach God anything.

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Old 10-30-2009, 01:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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one can assume its still happening

its sad that i once thought of US soldiers and govt ppl as the "good guys" when in fact they are bad guys just like every other country's bad guys


this seems like an A&P discussion
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Jesus, nobody should ever have to listen to NIN, ever.
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Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
 
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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it is still happening v3d4, go to the site.
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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no one cares about the "terrorists."
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I think the real issue here is Trent Reznor.
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Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
 
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We are desensitized. Holding people for 8 years without charges barely gets our attention now. Iraq is now a success in some upsidedown world of neoconvillie and should be used as a template for Afghanistan. The hopelessness is unavoidable
 
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i think the real issue here is trent reznor.
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Delete my post cuz you don't agree with it, asshole.

I will reiterate, we must be vigilant and clear about dealing with terrorists. These claims are unsubstantiated and these terrorists should never be trusted. They are going to say the worst to gain sympathy...and I don't buy it.

People are forgetting that the terrorists want to kill all of us, and if they had our technology and we had theirs, we would all be dead. Expand Gitmo and increase troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fight has just begun. I want our troops in Iraq for at least 50 more years.
 
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Originally Posted by stateofkane View Post
Delete my post cuz you don't agree with it, asshole.

I will reiterate, we must be vigilant and clear about dealing with terrorists. These claims are unsubstantiated and these terrorists should never be trusted. They are going to say the worst to gain sympathy...and I don't buy it.

People are forgetting that the terrorists want to kill all of us, and if they had our technology and we had theirs, we would all be dead. Expand Gitmo and increase troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fight has just begun. I want our troops in Iraq for at least 50 more years.
I think you're just trying to be an asshole. It's working.
 
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Originally Posted by stateofkane View Post
Delete my post cuz you don't agree with it, asshole.

I will reiterate, we must be vigilant and clear about dealing with terrorists. These claims are unsubstantiated and these terrorists should never be trusted. They are going to say the worst to gain sympathy...and I don't buy it.

People are forgetting that the terrorists want to kill all of us, and if they had our technology and we had theirs, we would all be dead. Expand Gitmo and increase troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan. The fight has just begun. I want our troops in Iraq for at least 50 more years.
Do you not realize that yours is the exact sort of mindset that led to 9/11 in the first place?
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Do you not realize that yours is the exact sort of mindset that led to 9/11 in the first place?
and it's also the converse of how real "terrorist" where ever at in middle east feel about us.

but that's off topic. the majority of prisoners at Gitmo haven't even been convicted of any crimes.
they're in there due to a religious war. you obviously didn't read much about it.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Palahniuk View Post
We are not special. We are are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, "No, that's not right." Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can't teach God anything.

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