i just hope its legal so much im so sick of dealing with dry spells and bulshit when i know i could grow my own extremely easily and then be smoking dank shit without having to blow my money all the time.
wtf government wake up.
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If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
the simple fact is that we wouldnt be where we are today if the iraqi people hadnt chosen a better path for themselves. and if u think about it that way- our sacrifices enabled them to realize their own destiny.
"I think this would be a good time for a beer,"
~ Franklin D. Roosevelt said upon signing a bill that made 3.2-percent lager legal again, some months ahead of the full repeal of Prohibition.
"I inhaled—that was the point."
~ Barack Obama as he presides over the dismantling of our contemporary forms of prohibition...
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Stop The Medical Marijuana MadnessBy Robert J. Corry Jr.
CN Source: Denver Post November 02, 2009 Denver, CO
Today, not much about Colorado's economy moves. The state is broke and releases prisoners because it cannot afford to keep them. The governor slashes the higher education budget 40 percent. People lose jobs, homes and financial security. Our leaders face serious issues. And what keeps some politicians up at night? That sneaking suspicion that some suffering cancer patient may gain limited pain relief through medical marijuana, coupled with that gnawing certainty that someone, somewhere, actually grew the plant for that patient.
Rockies Ski Town To Vote Tuesday on Legalizing PotBy Kristen Wyatt
CN Source: Associated Press November 02, 2009 Breckenridge, Colo.
Voters in this Rocky Mountain resort town will decide Tuesday whether to legalize pot for all adults at a time when the movement to allow medical marijuana is gaining steam around the country. A measure before Breckenridge voters in a municipal election would legalize possession of up to 1 ounce of marijuana along with bongs, pipes and other pot paraphernalia. Supporters of the measure say it would inch the whole state closer to full legalization.
u realize all those pot tarts and stoney bars etc will be illegal even if weed is ever legal? thats a total ripoff of a trademark so the only reason its not being sued now is because the product itself is illegal so who cares about the label, but trust me u wont be buying pot tarts in stores ever, unless general mills makes them.
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If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch you must first invent the universe.
the simple fact is that we wouldnt be where we are today if the iraqi people hadnt chosen a better path for themselves. and if u think about it that way- our sacrifices enabled them to realize their own destiny.
i just hope its legal so much im so sick of dealing with dry spells and bulshit when i know i could grow my own extremely easily and then be smoking dank shit without having to blow my money all the time.
wtf government wake up.
Don't worry about the law. If you grow for personal use and don't deal, no one will fuck with you. Keep it stealth.
it's ALL about the fiscal crisis we face. the people will not tolerate higher general sales and income tax hikes much longer with nothing to show for it--more revenue is needed to save whatever will be left of us.
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Damn. I mean, just, damn. That is the saddest, loneliest story I've ever heard. I wonder if he has another sex doll made by Glock.
...You know, when it comes to businesses and individuals, the solution to budget problems is always to cut back one's spending, but when it comes to government, the proposed solution is more revenue. If they can't balance a budget now, why do they think they're going to be more responsible with this new tax revenue? They're just going to spend it away like they are doing with the money they already have. If the bill doesn't fix their budget problems like it's supposed to, are they going to keep it legal/decriminalized?
Excellent point about government finances. They always spend more than they have. But the reason tax revenue is raised is because that's what gets their attention. When they raise x-kajillion dollars from whatever the source and blow it as well, all it will reveal is mismanagement of public funds.
The DEA is basically saying Fuck the President's order, we're continuing it anyway!
How can we as citizens resist this kind of blatant abuse of power by our government? From this, to the anti free speech police at the G20?
I have to empathize with some of the pessimists on here. One of my main buddies is almost twice as old as I am, and lived though the progressive '70's. In those days legalization felt so close... they were all absolutely positive that it would be legal within a decade because it was so patently obvious how stupid the law was. I met him in 2002. His mind was blown over that fact that it was still illegal 30 years later.
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I wonder why the feds have such a hardon for teh weed
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The DEA is basically saying Fuck the President's order, we're continuing it anyway!
but obama was supposed to be able to fix everything!!1!!! WHERE'S THE CHANGE?!?!?!??!?
Originally Posted by kameelyun
How can we as citizens resist this kind of blatant abuse of power by our government? From this, to the anti free speech police at the G20?
dea raids aren't an abuse of power. the president doesn't head the dea.
Originally Posted by kameelyun
I have to empathize with some of the pessimists on here. One of my main buddies is almost twice as old as I am, and lived though the progressive '70's. In those days legalization felt so close... they were all absolutely positive that it would be legal within a decade because it was so patently obvious how stupid the law was. I met him in 2002. His mind was blown over that fact that it was still illegal 30 years later.
never in the time since pollsters started asking and keeping track has support for the legalization of marijuana been more widespread than it is today:
even in the "progressive" 70's it topped out at 28%. legalization doesn't only "feel close," it's fast becoming a solution in its own right. people are waking up to the reality of our situation.
i was listening to a local am radio show (on a massively conservative station) coming into work this morning and the host brought up how denver (i think? some city) legalized pot for personal use. he mentioned that part of the reasoning behind the measure was that it's safer than alcohol, and he opened the lines up for callers to give their opinion on the matter. every call he took admitted that alcohol is the cause of a multitude of problems, and when the host brought up the gateway drug angle one caller said "and how many do you think want to try something new after downing their first six pack?" the clarity was astounding
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but obama was supposed to be able to fix everything!!1!!! WHERE'S THE CHANGE?!?!?!??!?
thats as lame as JFQuerry
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dea raids aren't an abuse of power. the president doesn't head the dea.
Obama is the President with powers over all cops. Including the Drug Thugs. A point could be made that he doesn't over ride the United Nations UNODC designed to guide drug policy for the next 10 years, lacks critically important measures for treating and stemming the spread of HIV, Human Rights Watch, the International AIDS Society, and the International Harm Reduction Association said today. He could reject it. Obomba never said he would stop all raids, only comply with the 10th Amendment and leave it up to the states. MOre than any Neo Conjob GOPervert. Its all bullshit based on Nixon lies. But he has left those operating by state guidlines alone. This also doesn't stop states from enforcing whatever they please. But its not Biraq Obombo. He's more of a Just Do Nothing kind a guy. After 16 years of Klintoon/Boosh Fascist meddling, its ok fine.
never in the time since pollsters started asking and keeping track has support for the legalization of marijuana been more widespread than it is today
Thats hard to gauge. More people now, more abiltiy to pass information via the internet. Nixon's lies and Watergate diversion letting the CSA pass is total Fascism. Same as Grassley's censorship today. Plus there has never in the history of polls been an accurate count of users or job scared telling the truth. Answers depend on many factors, especially stigma from admitting it. So the 60's and 70's became complacent, but I wouldn't say more want it legal today by percentage.
Setting priorities
Perhaps the leaders of California’s law enforcement community, that has spent so much time and money fighting against any kind of reform of marijuana laws, would be willing to explain this: Via MPP
What the WHO doesn't want you to know about cannabis
HEALTH officials in Geneva have suppressed the publication of a politically sensitive analysis that confirms what ageing hippies have known for decades: cannabis is safer than alcohol or tobacco.
Internet Free Speech Goes on Trial07/14/01
An American investigative journalist is being sued over his website's reports of drugs trafficking in Mexico. So what are the implications for freedom of speech?
In late 1960s recreational drug use becomes fashionable among young, white, middle class Americans. The social stigmatization previously associated with drugs lessens as their use becomes more mainstream. Drug use becomes representative of protest and social rebellion in the era's atmosphere of political unrest. continued...
How much to be revealed about marijuana especially in this time and nation for the general public! for the actual experience of the smoked herb has been completely clouded by a fog of dirty language by the diminishing crowd of fakers who have not had the experience and yet insist on being centers of propaganda about the experience. And the key, the paradoxical key to this bizarre impasse of awareness is precisely that the marijuana consciousness is one that, ever so gently, shifts the center of attention from habitual shallow purely verbal guidelines and repetitive secondhand ideological interpretations of experience to more direct, slower, absorbing, occasionally microscopically minute engagement with sensing phenomena during the high moments or hours after one has smoked. continued...
It might seem strange to a lot of people to spend so much time and energy — and so many pages — on the subject of marijuana, which is after all only an innocuous naturally-occurring weed that people smoke to get high. But what’s even stranger is that an increasingly frightening number of people are being ordered to spend inconsiderable amounts of time (9½ to 10 years in my case) in penitentiaries and prisons simply for smoking this weed in America these days. People who do smoke marijuana are probably pretty much aware of the things I want to say in this article, but for those who can’t understand what all the commotion is about, maybe my remarks will be helpful. continued...
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Terry: I wonder why the feds have such a hardon for the weed
The virtues are too many, for the booze, fossil fuels and white powders, Even the Fraud of 37, didn't outlaw Hemp or RxGanja. That was Nexxon's Lie, Al Capone and Watergate were Red Herrings. Both Alcohol and Cannabis Prohibitions were Corporate fabrications.
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u realize all those pot tarts and stoney bars etc will be illegal even if weed is ever legal?
Bullshit. You called Boosh the "president" and nobody sued you.
sarcasm, it's sometimes feeble through the interwebs
by what authority can the president control cops? cops have local jurisdiction, and the dea acts independently under direction from its own heads. i doubt even the attorney general could really stop the raids. what we commonly find is a local police department having an axe to grind with dispensaries, and a dea more than willing to keep steamrollling through and making "busts." that steam will run out eventually
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Terry: I wonder why the feds have such a hardon for the weed
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DdC: The virtues are too many, for the booze, fossil fuels and white powders, Even the Fraud of 37, didn't outlaw Hemp or RxGanja. That was Nexxon's Lie, Al Capone and Watergate were Red Herrings. Both Alcohol and Cannabis Prohibitions were Corporate fabrications.
Exactly.
Relaxing with an herb threatens boose revenues.
Running cars on herb-based fuels threatens petroleum revenues.
Treating a headache (or whatever else) with an herb threatens pharma revenues.
Booze kills and causes violence, herb heals and promotes peace.
Fossile fuels pollute. Hemp fuels are clean, while the crops clean and replenish the atmosphere and soil.
Pharmaceuticals are dangerous. Herb is non-toxic.
Its not the least bit difficult to see who and what our various governments represent.
Cops fall under the Justice Dept, that is a cabinet position taking orders from Obomba. Laws based on non factual material can not stand as law if someone challenges them and politics is kept under a check and balance. Now we have CEO's in Congress and Monsanto Lobbyists in the FDA. Every major corporations keeping Ganja and Hemp outlawed has a stake in Obomba not doing anything. He appeased the voters who got him in with this non binding bait and switch. But its progress in this warped Ganjawar. We have hundreds of buyers clubs selling pot at prohibition prices with less fear of Feds intruding. If the locals are taught how to behave, then the risk is even less. Those with fascist governments or corporate slave towns won't be better off. No one will be Free until the bogus CSA is overturned, and that isn't even being discussed. Both sides profit on the war.
Yes locals harass dispensaries and as stated can tweak the understanding of what is state authorized, bringing in the DEAth. But its politics, not Justice. The Boggs Act and the CSA are both acts based solely on non laws of physics. Same as racist laws or why women shouldn't vote laws. Religious intervention more than factual research. But cops all have to follow the guidelines of the Constitution, and if push came to shove Obomba could declare Marshall Law. The DEAth aren't doing anything against Obomba. No show of hand. Nothing different than what he and Holder stated. Observing 10th amendment state jurisdictions leaving the clubs alone that comply with CA and Jerry Brownose. Obomba stated very clearly, We have to make him do it. That wasn't a threat or a plea, just the facts ma'am. He doesn't have the clout to pull something this profitable off anymore than Nixon or Johnson could have stopped Vietnam or Iraq. Too much money. Same as the Insurance Co's blackmailing Wallstreet, getting tax paid bail outs. The very same anti tax corporations and Banks. So surprise surprise, Obambi is a typical politician except he doesn't have the insider credit and hundreds of wingnut teabogs are frothing over stupidity, cutting off their own noses to spite their own ugly faces.
Our government has simply gone Inc. It is money and large numbers of people going to change Obomba. Business wants to sell it. Not the status quo fossil fools etc. But $300 million in hemp sales, at tourist prices means the market can only grow. CA testing the waters is clearing the way for all states. I believe it will end as booze, dry counties and limits on manufacturing and number of apothecaries and coffee shops. Its the money and it has always been about the money. Now the money has changed hands at least temporarily in the hands of we the people. But cops follow orders, period. Obomba is the Commander in Chief of the Military and the Justice Department. But I haven't seen a Democrat with any balls outside of Hilary.
“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana
is its effect on the degenerate races.”
- Harry J. Anslinger – America’s 1st Drug Czar
Feds to Continue Raids on Medical Pot in California Nov 3 2009
The federal government will continue raids on medical marijuana operations in California despite guidelines issued by the Justice Department two weeks ago indicating the contrary.
Last year, State Attorney General Jerry Brown set guidelines mandating that city dispensaries are legally required to operate as not-for-profit collectives or cooperatives.
Russoniello said many dispensaries in San Francisco and around California aren’t really not-for-profit, and he will prosecute any distributor fraudulently operating as a commercial enterprise in violation of state laws.
How Marijuana Unavailability Leads to Use of Harder Drugs (1969)
The following study shows how the interception of marijuana shipments into NYC in 1969, led thousands of people to use harder drugs.
OPERATION INTERCEPT CHAPTER 2
The Multiple Consequences of Public Policy By Lawrence A. Gooberman
The Multiple Consequences of Operation Intercept
The findings given in this chapter have been consolidated from the responses to each of the major areas of inquiry as set forth in the interview guide. Excerpts from taped interviews with drug users and drug sellers, as well as drug abuse rehabilitation workers and journalists who closely observed the events of the summer of 1969 in the New York City area, will be presented. The findings are divided into three sections. The first section will focus on the availability of marihuana during the Operation Intercept era. The second section will be concerned with the range of behavioral reactions to the marihuana shortage. The third section will explore attitudinal reactions to the situation and to the underlying public policy. continued…
Medical Establishment Cares More About Profits Than People
by yves engler June 24, 2003
Last Tuesday’s Wall Street Journal and Financial Times ran front page articles about accussations against Medco, a subsidiary of Merck & Co. over false statements and claims to the government. This is in addition to investigations of Medco over violations of anti-trust, consumer-protection and pharmacy-licensing laws by at least 25 state attorney generals. Chief federal prosecutor in Philadelphia, Patrick Meehan said: these allegations suggest that, somewhere along the line, the focus became the profit instead of the patient. (FT, June 24, 2003) Somewhere along the line a capitalist corporation chose profit over the patient. Stop the presses. This is scandalous. A for-profit corporation, Medco, is accused of throwing ethics out the window to focus on increasing its return on investment. continued…
im beginning to think legalizing and taxing is going to make it illegal to grow your own
no, no, no, no,nononononononono. don't even say that!
it will be like alcohol, you can brew your own, you just need a license to sell it!
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so in my eyes it seems like the banishment of photoshops were like throwing out the whole harvest because of one bad plant. That mentality only creates animosity among those who were compliant with a mutually agreed code of decency.
^ word. you can brew beer/wine without a license (thank president carter for that). there are shops and clubs specifically for the homebrewer enthusiast. even if you did have to buy a permit to grow once marijuana has become legal, i would be more than glad to purchase one for piece of mind. and like ssd pointed out, we can make all the leaps and bounds in marijuana legalization at the state level all we want, it's still not going to do much until federal laws change. it always brings a smile to my face when i read about another town or city decriminalizing mj, but that smile quickly fades once that nagging thought that the feds can just shut shit down on a whim if they feel like it.
The closer we get the more radical the idea sounds. Only amsterdam has done this so we would effectively be amsterdam x190 if we legalize it in the U.S.
I love the idea but it blows my mind to imagine this country on weed.
It already is!
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You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
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And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
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