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Old 11-06-2009, 11:41 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Hoyer: House vote may be pushed back - Health care reform- msnbc.com

lol scroll down and on the left...Now they are calling it "PelosiCare." Jesus christ, can these people find a boogeyman and stick to them?

I'm so glad the Republican movement has been shattered. Perhaps now true conservatives can step to the plate...but judging by the current scene, that's still highly unlikely. The GOP is so delusional now, I saw they were already trying to find what contender of the GOP can defeat Obama in 2012. No wonder they can't find a solution to any problems, they can't even stay in the current year rather than salivate at the (delusional) idea of taking back the White House.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...op-candidates/

Oh well for that idea.
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:47 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:17 PM   #43 (permalink)
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theres really not much you can expect reasonable moderates and republicans to do now but be fed up with the bulshit the liberal left pelosi waxman rengel and schumer and reiddy boy have tried to pull again and again over the last few months.


people have serious doubts about socialized healthcare, they have already been discussed ad nauseum here and in society since the gop managed to stop the madnes from "guarenteed passage by the end of august" according to her highness loopy queen pelosi....

so since we stopped the snowball, every week there is a new focus group tested bulshit way to "sell" something that people DONT WANT, instead of trying to meet and find something that people DO WANT like healthcare reform WITHOUT socialized medicine and a public option.... then they would have found us willing to meet in the middle.

instead they used a variety of plain pathetic and obvious techniques to try to strongarm and brashly shove their way into getting something done that people think is wrong and instead of accepting that people doubt it and compromise is absolutely ESSENTIAL to any kind of healthcare plan that will end up affecting every american intimately, instead of compromising , you hear the dems and the pied piper matthews and olberman telling them they have to stand up to rush limbaugh and that obama must get the public option done or else its his presidency- they get brainwashed by these liberal elites into ruining the moderate tone they had for a year, and look at the results,

pretty nice for american democracy if you ask me, the people elected a demagogue but they already have stopped drinking his kool aid.
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:05 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Well JFQuerry, your Bullshit is fairly consistent. Still Bullshit and very Boring but a small happy note in seeing rednecks whine and sob over the ultra rich paying their fair share. Pitifuckingfools. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Especially the crock about government being involved by the same lame-ass drug worriers begging for government intervention. Same teabog ditzo's brokering wars and pushing synthetics. So if you cut out the $100,000.00 an hour salaries of the Insurance racketeers that will drive the cost up on customers? Like Medicaid? How many seniors could even exist without Medicaid?

Single-payer health care
From Wikipedia

Single-payer health care is a public service financing the delivery of near-universal or universal health care to a given population as defined by age, citizenship, residency, or any other demographic.

Single-payer health insurance collects all medical fees and then pays for all services through a single government (or government-related) source. In wealthy nations, this kind of publicly-managed health insurance is typically extended to all citizens and legal residents.

Australia's Medicare, Canada's Medicare, the United Kingdom's National Health Service, and Taiwan's National Health Insurance are examples of single-payer universal health care systems. Medicare in the United States is an example of a single-payer system for a specified, limited group of persons within a country.

Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom). The term single-payer thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care being paid for by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or who doctors work for. Although the fund holder is usually the government, some forms of single-payer employ a public-private system.

The health care reform debate in the United States has for several decades centered around the questions of whether fundamental reform of the system is needed, what form those reforms should take, and how they should be funded. Issues regarding publicly funded health care are frequently the subject of political debate. Whether or not a publicly funded universal health care system should be implemented is one such example.

Both advocates and critics of reform have mobilized citizens to support their views, with particularly visible demonstrations occurring as congressional leaders returned to their districts during August, 2009. As a result, the health care reform debate in the United States has been influenced by the Tea Party protest phenomenon.

Specific bills

* Affordable Health Care for America Act (House of Representatives - H.R. 3962)
* America’s Healthy Future Act (Senate Finance Cmte. / Baucus Bill - S. 1796)
* America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (House of Reps. Bill - H.R. 3200)
* Healthy Americans Act (Wyden-Bennett Bill - S. 391)
* United States National Health Care Act (Single payer - H.R. 676)

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Old 11-06-2009, 02:37 PM   #45 (permalink)
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listen to this ridiculous blathering:



"i believe we have more to fear from the potential of that bill passing than we do from any terrorist right now, in any country"

you heard it guys, health reform is worse than terrorism!
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Old 11-06-2009, 03:03 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Ddc the problem with socialized healthcare is that it has the unsustainable tendency to get more and more expensive while providing worse and worse care.


and it does so on the backs of the people who otherwise might possibly get the economy going again....

i really dont buy that there are so many people out there that cant afford 5k a year for health insurance, and with health care reform, couldnt be denied private coverage etcetc, reform doesnt have to mean giving your data , stats, power, and choices over to the federal government so that it can re-distribute some of it to you, and some of your share to other people , as it sees fit.

because as a result of such a system the government will almost surely give me crappy healthcare, and give everyone else crappy healthcare too, and give us NO OPTION BUT THE PUBLIC OPTION , but have a provision so that they the congressmen dont have to be in the public option , so they still live in their golden castles with private healthcare and treat the entire non-political class as an underclass of morons who can be manipulated for incremental statistacal gains in "efficiency".
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Originally Posted by John F. Kerry View Post
Ddc the problem with socialized healthcare is that it has the unsustainable tendency to get more and more expensive while providing worse and worse care.
please point out where this supposed tendency is evident in the countries that do have socialized healthcare
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:33 PM   #48 (permalink)
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i really dont buy that there are so many people out there that cant afford 5k a year for health insurance
Seriously?
 
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:47 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Haven't you guys realized by now that j doesn't read a damn thing you write? He's just here to spout his fox news bs. There's absolutely nothing you can write that would even come close to making a dent in his dense belief systems. He doesn't read your posts, he's probably a bigot in real life (maybe even evangelical, he has all the qualities) and he doesn't want to even consider thinking about considering the prospect of thinking...or changing his mind for that matter. He's not here to discuss, he's here to just write his opinion as fact, same as Beck and Hannity give their opinions as news and rile you up with outlandish claims.

Just do what I did and ignore the little troll, same as you would turn off the TV if fox was the channel you could get (at least, I hope you would).
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"divided government is by far the best kind of government in america.

so since I and everyone else still gets whet when we see the dear chairman,

I propose- a republican congress- the only path to sanity without waiting 8 years."- a smart person
 
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Old 11-07-2009, 12:41 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by DdC View Post
Well JFQuerry, your Bullshit is fairly consistent.
thats more than we can say about pelosis timetable

or the dem rationale for this crazy bill...
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Old 11-07-2009, 01:50 PM   #52 (permalink)
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you heard it guys, health reform is worse than terrorism!

Is it wrong to wish that woman a long and expensive bout with a debilitating illness?

Preferably in a way that renders her unable to speak?
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Originally Posted by verklingen View Post
terry the main argument is that the public option will overshadow private enterprise and run insurers into the ground. when asked how a vibrant private university system is maintained in our country alongside public universities that should have driven them out of competition long ago, opponents remain silent because they will never admit how stupid and wrong they are nor how they say shit just to sound sensational. oh and COMMUNISM!!1!!!
Yeah, exactly why all those big buildings you see in the cities are primarily owned by insurance companies. They are so hurting! ! !
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