Day 3 - Page 4

stoneric · 02-09-2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by stateofkane

Burnt, it's easy to quit weed... if you want to.

I think he meant positive changes in general and not particularly weed, of course that's just a guess. I can't help myself, I will defend the sacred weed until death.

burnt_hiphophead · 02-09-2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by stoneric

I think he meant positive changes in general and not particularly weed, of course that's just a guess. I can't help myself, I will defend the sacred weed until death.

No you're totally right. What I should have said was I want to cut back on the booze, get a regular sleep schedule, and work harder in school.

weed? ehh it's not really a problem. I have smoked 2 out of the last 3 days, but before that, I had a run of like twice in three weeks. I don't see myself ever quitting by choice. It sure was nice to have dreams though, something that either doesn't happen or I don't remember when I'm smokin'

Sorry, no more post jack, just wanted to clear that up.

and stateofkane, totally agree it's mind over matter re: quitting the herb. If you stay busy you don't miss it. It's just those days when you're sitting around late at night reading yahooka that you start to think, hm I'd like to bump the 'are you smoking now' thread, so to speak

stateofkane · 02-10-2009, 05:26 AM

Day 19 - The 1st step to me making positive changes, which is hard, was to quit weed, which was easy because of my motivation to want to move forward. Yeah, if you use weed or alcohol a lot (I think most drugs) you won't have REM sleep as much(dream). Once you stop dreams come back.

stoneric · 02-10-2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by stateofkane

Yeah, if you use weed or alcohol a lot (I think most drugs) you won't have REM sleep as much(dream). Once you stop dreams come back.

What? I dream every nite and I've been smoking daily for a looong time. I keep thinking you've got pot mixed up with some other drug.

**Pharm Girl** · 02-11-2009, 05:40 AM

How's day 20??

stateofkane · 02-11-2009, 05:57 AM

Day 20 - It surpressed my dreams... Got a call from my using "friend" last night. What a dumbass...I didn't even answer... still trying to decide which school to go to. Wish I could go back to Brainerd and attend the 2 year college up there. I am stuck on a lease here until November. I hate leases. Fuck the city. I was a dumbass for coming back here.

Going good PG. I am so thankful you guys come in here to keep me company. Good bunch of people on yahooka.

stoneric · 02-11-2009, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by stateofkane

Got a call from my using "friend" last night. What a dumbass...I didn't even answer...

These are the type of things you say that make me cringe. Is he a dumb ass because he "uses"? If so, you've been accepting encouragement from alot of dumb asses.

stateofkane · 02-11-2009, 03:09 PM

No. He is on SSI and section 8 housing, and uses a good portion of that money to buy weed. Even if he can't work, he has no right to spend taxpayer dollars on it when there are people who really need the money for food/clothing. I'm not much better, but used money from my parents and I have a desire to become independent; he has no desire to work at all. He also gets money from his parents who are reasonably well off.

owK · 02-11-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by stateofkane

No. He is on SSI and section 8 housing, and uses a good portion of that money to buy weed. Even if he can't work, he has no right to spend taxpayer dollars on it when there are people who really need the money for food/clothing. I'm not much better, but used money from my parents and I have a desire to become independent; he has no desire to work at all. He also gets money from his parents who are reasonably well off.

What gives you the moral highground to judge his life?

stateofkane · 02-11-2009, 06:14 PM

Because he makes no effort and expresses no desire to contribute to society. I don't dislike him, in fact he was my only friend for a while in real life.

I am not to judge whether I am better than him. It is frustrating however, as I feel guilty about the lack of contributions I have made in society. From the things he has said, he doesn't feel guilty at all, and lives only to pleasure himself. I refuse to acknowledge that as an acceptable trait.

**Pharm Girl** · 02-12-2009, 03:41 AM

back to day 21............

stateofkane · 02-12-2009, 04:41 AM

Day 21

**Pharm Girl** · 02-12-2009, 04:48 AM

I'm a firm supporter of skates efforts!

I wish him the best of luck on his journey to the other side............~

Call upon your 'Spirit Guide' -------------

stoneric · 02-12-2009, 07:30 AM

Let's keep giving up weed in perspective. It's like I'm reading about some lifelong heroin addict.

**Pharm Girl** · 02-12-2009, 09:54 AM

hardy comparable.......... ...

There's no dragons to chase here!!!

**SageTree** · 02-12-2009, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by stoneric

Let's keep giving up weed in perspective. It's like I'm reading about some lifelong heroin addict.

Think about a time when you gave up something. Habits mid-as-well all be herion, because there is similiar psychology in breaking them. A good reason to quit is a good reason to quit and it going to be hard to break free from them. Physical or Psychological.

Have some Compassion. Love a person who is suceeding in his goals. It should be inspiration to us all, no matter what we would like to stop. Human will power in action here. Good Job Kane.

Loving Kindness
Sage Tree

stoneric · 02-12-2009, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by SageTree

Think about a time when you gave up something. Habits mid-as-well all be herion, because there is similiar psychology in breaking them. A good reason to quit is a good reason to quit and it going to be hard to break free from them. Physical or Psychological.

Have some Compassion. Love a person who is suceeding in his goals. It should be inspiration to us all, no matter what we would like to stop. Human will power in action here. Good Job Kane.

Loving Kindness
Sage Tree

I quit chewing and smoking(cigs)14 years ago. I went thru physical withdrawal symptoms because I was addicted. I enjoyed chewing and smoking only to feed the addiction. I've been smoking pot for 36 years because I enjoy the buzz. Ive been working out for almost 40 years because I enjoy the pump. Those two things I am definately psychologically addicted to. The difference is I enjoy those things because they give me pleasure, I'm not physically addicted to either. Now if I no longer enjoyed getting stoned or working out and decided to quit , why would I have any kind of withdrawals if I'm not actually missing either? So if Kane is quitting something that is psychologically addicting it should mean he is quitting something that he enjoys yet his posts lead one to believe he is physically addicted to something that he feels is ruining his life. And as a MJ advocate, I can't buy into it.

stateofkane · 02-12-2009, 12:28 PM

You are comparing apples to oranges (weighlifting to smoking pot?) I never claimed physical withdrawal. Depression, irritability, and anxiety, are all matters of the mind in my opinion.

As a stoner I was unmotivated and very short fused. You are way too bias about weed, Ric. One negative effect I hope you will admit is that it GETS YOU HIGH!!! That would be a negative effect for someone trying to work on numbers for a living. The effects linger to the next day and you know it. I can't crunch numbers after smoking the night before.

You are splitting hairs. My fingers will get sore if I respond to every aspect of your argument.

stoneric · 02-12-2009, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by stateofkane

You are comparing apples to oranges (weighlifting to smoking pot?) I never claimed physical withdrawal. Depression, irritability, and anxiety, are all matters of the mind in my opinion.

As a stoner I was unmotivated and very short fused. You are way too bias about weed, Ric. One negative effect I hope you will admit is that it GETS YOU HIGH!!! That would be a negative effect for someone trying to work on numbers for a living. The effects linger to the next day and you know it. I can't crunch numbers after smoking the night before.

You are splitting hairs. My fingers will get sore if I respond to every aspect of your argument.

My point was things you enjoy are psychologically addictive. I wasn't comparing smoking pot to lifting, only that both are things I do regularly because I enjoy them.

You might be unmotivated while stoned which means you should only smoke after all tasks are completed. You said you weren't physically addictive so you should have no problem waiting until you need no more motivation for that day before you smoke. The short fuse I don't understand. Pot usually has a mellowing effect on people. I have to admit the high is a negative? I wouldn't smoke if I thought that. I don't know what the fuck you smoke but I have NEVER felt the effect of smoking pot from the previous night. Unless of course I was using something else along with it, most notably, alcohol. And I program CNC lathes, so numbers are my game.

I'm not splitting hairs. You have concluded that pot is the root of your problems and if you need a scapegoat for your problems, and it works for you, have at it. I will continue to argue that anyone who uses pot WISELY will have no problems that stem from such usage.

**SageTree** · 02-12-2009, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by stoneric

I quit chewing and smoking(cigs)14 years ago. I went thru physical withdrawal symptoms because I was addicted. I enjoyed chewing and smoking only to feed the addiction. I've been smoking pot for 36 years because I enjoy the buzz. Ive been working out for almost 40 years because I enjoy the pump. Those two things I am definately psychologically addicted to. The difference is I enjoy those things because they give me pleasure, I'm not physically addicted to either. Now if I no longer enjoyed getting stoned or working out and decided to quit , why would I have any kind of withdrawals if I'm not actually missing either? So if Kane is quitting something that is psychologically addicting it should mean he is quitting something that he enjoys yet his posts lead one to believe he is physically addicted to something that he feels is ruining his life. And as a MJ advocate, I can't buy into it.

Thanks for sharing and clarifying. The more we know each other the more we grow and understand each other. Point noted.