Open your eyes

[Mafoo]

sounds like youre dancing around the idea of "self actualization"

when the self you are is the self youve wanted to become- not easily attainable

[Mclennison]

Originally Posted by verklingen

Ok man, good. I'm glad to see you're with me on the spirit/consciousness side of this because it will help you understand my position better, and I'd much rather have understanding than convincing.

What do you mean by "shells?" I want people to come out of their shells, but to me that means I want for people to realize that we're all in this together and that at the end of the day we're all dependent upon each other for survival: personally and globally. How does "being fed lies" affect our ability to break out of that shell? How does believing one way or the other about 911 or anything else affect our capacity to do good in our lives and to live with integrity: to be honest, loving, caring, and humanitarian?

Again, it's not going to come from the top down because the leaders have a lot invested in perpetuating conflict. And you know what, as far as I'm concerned I'm prepared to let them. If I can't operate with integrity, why should I expect my leadership to? That's really what I'm on about. When I know I'm leading a life worthy of happiness I know those around me will take cue, and that's all I can really do to influence other people.

For every person that's "woken up" to conspiracies or whatever else through an Alex Jones documentary or whatever else, there's thousands who won't ever be reached in that way. The people who don't believe the conspiracies and have their own evidence against the credence of them have just as hard a time convincing believers of their position. How inefficient! It's a waste of time, wouldn't you say? Just a look at any of the myriad threads in A&P (not just on 911, but on the war in Iraq and whatever else [mostly j-wonder and dub of course, but their opinion is as valid and hard to sway as anyone else's]) is enough to prove that discussions like this amount to nothing beyond dead horse beating and talking-point masturbation.



I like this example because if I twist it a bit it helps me explain my point.

Let's say we live in a very large pet store with 300,000,000 fish all living in separate little bowls. It doesn't take long for our water to get dirty, and when it does we just wait around for our owner to come and clean it. It takes a while sometimes, and a lot of us get upset and start complaining. Some have even begun to think that he's keeping the water dirty just to fuck with us and keep us in line for one reason or another.

One such fish though the pet store owner was keeping his and the other fish's water dirty to achieve some personal gain, and he spent most of his time trying to convince enough fish of his beliefs that they could confront the owner collectively and impose a more fair cleaning schedule. But a lot of the fish didn't seem to care. They went about their business day after day, paying no mind to the dirty conditions he felt so strongly about. He felt helpless, and feared that the quality of his life would forever be at the mercy of his negligent owner.

One day he finally realized that all the arguments in the world couldn't force the other fish to unite with him: that the only person he had any real influence over whatsoever was himself and that the only water he had any control over was his own. So he set about enacting a really marvelous idea: he started cleaning his own water! "Too bad for those other fish," he said, able to plainly see their deplorable condition through the clear water in his clean bowl. "They can do as I have, but must be choosing differently. Oh well! I have no control over them. Let them be."

But then something incredible, and quite unexpected, happened: those fish near him saw what he had done and started doing the same! Then the fish near those fish saw and in no time the entire shop full of fish had sparkling clean water. They no longer even had to depend on the owner. They gave up their griping and turned to more enjoyable pursuits and lived happy, clean lives from then on; teaching their children to do the same and thereby beginning what fish historians have referred to as the "Rinseaissance."

The owner thought it was quite uncanny that he no longer had to clean his fishbowls. In fact, he reported this strange circumstance to the local newspaper, which in turn brought these fish to the attention of Ripley's believe it or not. This exposure eventually caused all fish to adopt the practice of keeping themselves clean, and no fish ever had to choke on dirty water again.

I got a little silly with that but I think my point is clear. When you're living something that everyone wants -- happiness -- by taking responsibility, care, and integrity in all you do, people can't help but notice. This is the meaning of "be the change you want to see in the world," because as you said it all comes from within: an outer reflection of what you transmit to the world and those around you. We can be sheeple as long as we want, and complaining about the shepherd doesn't make you the shepherd. Take control of your life where you can and the rest will take care of itself.

oh yea, that first fish could use the persuasion of the "light side of the force" to actually influence people to act in accorance with harmony and the will of the universe he OR SHE lololol feels within themselves to create a world of peace and understanding and yea im gonna say it free love!

OF course it is not only just valient but lovely to act in accordace(silly heads this is synonymous with true conformance - to love!!!!!) on one's own and let "the light side of the force" bring peace on its own.

But be the light side

i dont know, believe you are a jedi

actually i do know, we all do, we just forgot to remember again

do it do it!

believe you are a jedi, but go all "final fantasy without the swords"

mastering or padawaning (lol) seeing things before they happen to influence your realm and the realm of those in direct or even indirect connection to you is quite easy with a little(maybe lot) of belief - it comes to me easy now. Bless yourself and bless those around you. The bible calles us to be preists, holy preists.

You can save the world!
surrely you could do it all on your own, but why not with a bunch of friends, jedi friends(that will for now carry ethereal lightsabres for peace)
just join us lol

[Mclennison]

Originally Posted by Mafoo

sounds like youre dancing around the idea of "self actualization"

when the self you are is the self youve wanted to become- not easily attainable

is easaly attainable

remember what ringo said - its all in the mind!

so free yourself

its so easy to be that person you wanted to be, its so easy to be a girl lollol!
its so easy to be..........(drumrol l please)

heaven!!!!!!!!!

be heaven

or hell, its all the same to me
just think about it, spell evil backwads

.....live

(pronouce like a halelujah) aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh hhhhhhhhhaaaahhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhh.......

i love you all, especially you two holy holly raines and katie rhone - anyone who knows them please talk to me!

thanks obi-wan

[Mclennison]

Originally Posted by Mescalito

I find it funny when you become aware of anger ora 'dark stream'. Sometimes it feels like you just want to ignore it for a while and revel in the darkness of it all... maybe somewhere deep down its done in a way which will bring the 'light stream' back all that stronger. Where it rains alot you may appreciate the sun alot more.. but where its sunny and hotalot you may appreciate the rain alot more. Like you said Verk... PERSPECTIVE.

Its also funny and eye opening when you become aware that you are angry or whatever and you think do I really want to be like this at this particular now and the nows to come? This time you may answer nooooo fuck this.. no matter what 'caused' me to feel like this in the first place.. its up to who how to react? Damn right he says... ME! So meh.. lets be happy... thus commences a swift change in consicousness to one of a more preferable stream.. that which you consciously affected through desire and imagery... socery if you will... fucking magic it seems. It makes you wonderwhy you ever chose to feel like that in the first place. But then again one of the beautiful things about lifesometimes is getting caught in the moment and experiencing the emotion for all it is.

On to another point.. language we use can illustrate how much of a choice we think we have. Back in the last paragraph I typed 'what 'casued' me to feel bad' or something like that.. I realised when I typed it that Iput the blame somewhere else for how I reacted. The truth is for me that if you put that blame somewhere else you never had a choice about the reaction.. or you did but were never aware of it... either way. On the other side if didnt say 'caused' and rather said I didnt chose the choice I consciously desired at the time then its a completely different story. In that moment.. the choice is mine.. Ive acknowledged it... which makes it mine. How can we make a a concsious chocie when we are notaware of it..which by the very nature is the nature of both consciousness and being aware..so yes.. circles. erm that is all. Hope you are all doing fine, living your dreams and loving every moment.. if not.. then well... up to you (common phrase in Thailand which rings so true so much of the time).

Peace

Matt

what is this anger you speak of

ive never heard of it lol - but on a serious note - have i??????????

try this kiss someone and say "i was just angry"

it will wake up the "dark side!!!!"
"it know not what it does lollol/triste(your pick)"

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by verklingen

Light is good and dark is bad, yes? Maybe. I suppose you also believe that if your life were to be filled with light right now all the bad would dissipate, seeming like an uncomfortable dream, right? Well I'm here to tell you that this topic is not so "black and white" as it seems.

You might have some things about your self with which you are not too happy, even if you don't realize what they are and what they do to you. They may cause frustration and trouble in your life, but you get past it and persevere. Indeed, I will tell you right now that such frustration is due solely to your acting with a behavior which is not suited to your true self, what you were created (or what you created yourself) to be. Frustration is not a quality those who walk in the light of their true self can possess.

You can have these obstructions and yet still consider yourself as "happy." Silly, isn't it? Surely there are happy things within your life and you value and treasure them; I do not mean to take that from you at all! But you know as well as I that once frustration sets in, once darkness sets in, that those things in your life which make you happy seem ever so dim while your frustration looms large and imposing before you. You might be moody, or have some bad (as defined by yourself, your REAL perception) habits, a short temper, worry a lot, be anxious, nervous, etc. Whatever it is, all the frustration in your life stems from your decision to engage with these choices, and your own determination (perhaps faulty determinations, the product of false ["fooling yourself"] perception) of their quality.

When things get bad, you might wish for light to shine into your life and dispel the darkness, dispel the bad. This is very possible, but when it comes you do not recognize it! You expect the light to enter your life and work to allay the darkness, but how do you expect it to work? You want it to help you, but does light have a choice in what it does? How can it know what to do? The light is shining right this moment, in your time of distress! It shone brightly and revealed a darkness in your life, laid bare the frustration and doubt. It is only a tool of revelation, revealing the cause and root of your troubles should you choose to look. It can do no more, but is that not enough?

Work with the light, it's there to guide you. In times of frustration, it's there, should you choose to look, to help you recognize what's really going on. Once you start to see with this light, there's no more denial: no way to temporarily cast the darkness aside and forget about it until to crops up again. The darkness is there, stark naked for you to see! Work with the light, and dispel the dark yourself. The darkness won't go away this time, it won't be forgotten. In fact, you don't want it to. This is the time.

For more information: KRYON - Newport Beach 2006

the thanks button is gone, or i'd of thanked you....

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by xMSx

all good stuff.. but who dug this one out of the closet. this was one of my first posts.

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