Has Christianity finally been debunked?

[kamikazi89]

i light a few candles and use the living room floor

^exactly, do what you want, what you feel is right.

fuck this day of worship bullshit, i use every moment of my life to worship, by living and exuding love. and if you think you need to read some book of stories or give money to the "church donation" so you dont go to some place filled with fire and brimestone than youre straight up brainwashed and I wish you luck.

"and the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money."

wake up.

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by medicinal only

Organized superstition. Making tons of money off of older people who eat cat food a tithe to the Evangelicals. I believe the tax laws should be inforced to prevent churches from preaching politics from the pulpit.

I definitely concur!

[Mescalito]

Has Christianity finally been debunked?

Yes



M

[Praise Jah]

Originally Posted by badgoalie85

that's a good point, jesus isn't a church. i can dig jesus. still i don't see why this meditation guy's technique can't work just as well as following jesus' teachings. the fact that he's selling it for like 2 bucks is pretty irrelevant, actually, i was just curious why he wouldn't put it up for free if he had that page in the first place.

You can't conceive that perhaps Jesus was the flesh and bones incarnation of the entitiy we know of as God? To me life has too much potential for the occurance of horrible shit. Fortunately that shit almost never occurs. To me that speaks to the overall goodness of humanity and also the (to me) probable existance of a loving creator who created us at a level slightly below that of gods.

[ziplock]

Originally Posted by Praise Jah

You can't conceive that perhaps Jesus was the flesh and bones incarnation of the entitiy we know of as God?

Conceiving the possibility is one thing, believing that possibility to be true is an entirely different matter.

Originally Posted by Praise Jah

To me life has too much potential for the occurance of horrible shit. Fortunately that shit almost never occurs. To me that speaks to the overall goodness of humanity and also the (to me) probable existance of a loving creator who created us at a level slightly below that of gods.

That speaks to a countless number of things. Who am I to bless one with more significance than another?

[Parallax]

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by Mescalito

Has Christianity finally been debunked?

Yes

I definitely concur!

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by Mescalito

Has Christianity finally been debunked?

Yes

Ya hear that spicoli, JcP, ziplock, mathewmunari, verklingen?

[Man in Black]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Ya hear that spicoli, JcP, ziplock, mathewmunari, verklingen?

why are you making this a personal vendetta? and furthermore, do they hear what? I certainly don't hear anything. But then again the image that Mescalito uploaded is not showing up on my computer.

otherwise, all he said was "yes". what makes him an authority on the matter? like the saying goes, who died and made him god?

[Man in Black]

Originally Posted by Parallax

good video but I think he could have offered a lot more to support god's existence than by just saying that "because the bible says so"

[Parallax]

evidence such as?

[JcP]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

Ya hear that spicoli, JcP, ziplock, mathewmunari, verklingen?

while I respect M alot, I fail to see why someone agreeing with you makes you correct? By this logic, you were proven false 4 times over by the very quote you replied with.

I think it's wonderful you don't believe in Christianity. I also do not believe in most of it. But beliefs surrounding a specific faith does not prove or disprove it.

You seem so angry over all of this. Why does it frustrate you so much to accept the fact that what you think is or is not true does not necessarily apply to everyone else? I don't believe in Hinduism. That doesn't mean it's been proven FALSE, it just means it's false to me.

Christianity has not been proven true or untrue. It requires faith, just like every other religion on the face of the planet, including atheism ("I don't know" is the only statement that does not require a leap of faith about creation/God). No one has a cogent answer as to why "there is."

So what's up with the hostility? Is it just the way you approach disagreements?

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by JcP

while I respect M alot, I fail to see why someone agreeing with you makes you correct? By this logic, you were proven false 4 times over by the very quote you replied with.

I think it's wonderful you don't believe in Christianity. I also do not believe in most of it. But beliefs surrounding a specific faith does not prove or disprove it.

You seem so angry over all of this. Why does it frustrate you so much to accept the fact that what you think is or is not true does not necessarily apply to everyone else? I don't believe in Hinduism. That doesn't mean it's been proven FALSE, it just means it's false to me.

Christianity has not been proven true or untrue. It requires faith, just like every other religion on the face of the planet, including atheism ("I don't know" is the only statement that does not require a leap of faith about creation/God). No one has a cogent answer as to why "there is."

So what's up with the hostility? Is it just the way you approach disagreements?

I know you like to spin everything to fit your own agenda, just like Christians do. But you need to be careful when making comments like this. Anyone who portrays me as an angry person is either hallucinating or is delusional. And I mean that literally!

[verklingen]

are you completely blind to the fact that every post you've made on this site has been spun to fit an agenda of your own? i can't speak for everyone, but my only agenda here has been clarity. from jcp's post above, it seems the same is true of him.

you need to be careful when making comments like that, as your own delusion is evidenced by it.

[JcP]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

I know you like to spin everything to fit your own agenda, just like Christians do. But you need to be careful when making comments like this. Anyone who portrays me as an angry person is either hallucinating or is delusional. And I mean that literally!

what exactly is my "agenda" ? By agenda do you mean point of view? In which case, of course everything is "spun" to fit my point of view, as my point of view is how I respond to a specific event or item...in this case, your hostility.

As Verk just said, my only "agenda" here is to point out the absurdity of claiming a religious belief has been disproven because it has reached the critical mass of absurdity for you, a single person (who has his own "agenda" if we're going this route, btw). OR, in simpler terms, my only agenda is clarity.

If you would like to talk about why I find you angry, I will be happy to provide quotes to support my claim.

[kamikazi89]

Originally Posted by Parallax

evidence such as?

"In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident proposition is one that is known to be true by understanding its meaning without proof."

[Man in Black]

Originally Posted by kamikazi89

"In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident proposition is one that is known to be true by understanding its meaning without proof."

well that is certainly true, kami.

Having proof and having evidence are not the same thing. there is no proof god exists. there is no proof he doesn't. however there is evidence. evidence is not equivalent to being able to prove something, for instance circumstantial evidence does not necessarily (and actually never does) prove in a court of law that someone is innocent or guilty. evidence is facts you used to back up your claims.

ev·i·dence /ˈɛvɪdəns/ noun, verb, -denced, -denc·ing.
–noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

that which tends to prove or disprove something, just because it tends to do so does not mean it always does.

proof /pruf/ –noun
1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

Evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true. so therefore you can have evidence that is not sufficient to establish a thing as true. but maybe it can "produce a belief in it's truth".

Now I'm not trying to argue semantics and I know most people probably know the definitions of evidence and proof but it's important to keep in mind.


Proofs for the existence of God then are demonstrations, based on certain assumptions which are taken to b