Has Christianity finally been debunked?

[Man in Black]

Originally Posted by BearsysRevenge

But all are based in it.

Elaborate.

[BearsysRevenge]

Originally Posted by Man in Black

Elaborate.

Show me a Judeo-Christian religion that doesn't believe that "the wages of sin is death(eternal banishment to hell) but the gift of god is eternal life(heaven)" and I'll show you a fringe religious group not accepted by the rest of the Christian community.

[citizen abuse]

I have a question for everyone. What about the issue the piece raises about Jesus' obvious lack of knowledge about the natural world and the solar system. Is it unreasonable to expect that the so-called son of the creator should have known things like the Earth is round and that it orbits the sun? To me, the fact that Jesus clearly didn't know that kind of stuff is definitive proof that this individual was not who the Christians say he was! And if that angle doesn't have any credibility then neither does the Bible. The bottomline is that the Bible has no credibility whatsoever!

[adventure]

^^ that wasnt perpous purpose on earth to tell people about the world being round or what ever( just playing devils advocate)
that article didnt say anything that everyone doesnt already know. and it was poorly written as well.

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

I have a question for everyone. What about the issue the piece raises about Jesus' obvious lack of knowledge about the natural world and the solar system. Is it unreasonable to expect that the so-called son of the creator should have known things like the Earth is round and that it orbits the sun? To me, the fact that Jesus clearly didn't know that kind of stuff is definitive proof that this individual was not who the Christians say he was! And if that angle doesn't have any credibility then neither does the Bible. The bottomline is that the Bible has no credibility whatsoever!

jesus never talked about the nature of our planet or the solar system, so i'm not sure what that issue has to do with anything. jesus was all about making life work, and i think it would be hard to argue that astronomy has anything to do with that.

[Man in Black]

Originally Posted by BearsysRevenge

[EDIT] fuck, my computer just shut itself down and I lost the whole thing. you're gonna get a half assed response cause I'm not putting another 45 minutes into the reply lol

Been there, done that

[canyoudigit]

i think christianity will probaly be debunked in later years, you can only feed an old story for people for so long. But they could just keep creating new teastiments to cope with real world logic, ppl might still catch on tho.

[Philly (.Y.)]

if you were 100% sure that there was a god, and 100% sure you would be greatly punished for your wrong doings or sins or whatever you want to call it, than you and everyone else would deffinatly 'act' good to avoid this, even if you had evil intentions (rapists, murders, racists, etc)

so if you believe the purpose of god is to judge our actions in this life for waht ever purpose(afterlife, reincarnation, etc), how could he possibly do this if everyone was just pretending to be good for the short time we're on this planet

without concequences for your actions you have mayhem, not bliss

i think 'this' world needs extremes like aids and poverty, because without them everything else is meaningless


but what do i know

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by verklingen

jesus never talked about the nature of our planet or the solar system, so i'm not sure what that issue has to do with anything. jesus was all about making life work, and i think it would be hard to argue that astronomy has anything to do with that.

I think the piece makes clear what the point is. As it points out, everything we know about Jesus is strictly hearsay. If this guy was who the Christians say he was there should be other observable facts to support the claims. If Jesus had just dropped one little tidbit or fact about the natural world that the son of a creator should have most certainly known it would go a long way towards backing up the claims. But there's nothing there. It's an issue of credibility.

[BearsysRevenge]

I think it's bullshit that God would punish us for acting on the human nature that he so lovingly blessed us with


Thread about this forthcoming, I'm gonna get started tonight.

[the-who?]

dude evolution is so ridiculous who actually believes in science

[Home Wrecker]

It made some good points, some weaker points, but it isn't really that hard to point out why christianity makes no sense and is clearly the work of humans and not some sort of all powerful being.

[gweetar]

Exactly - i didn't even read the article. All religions are made up by humans. And, the religions continually evolve with the times. And, as someone else said, humans consistently act however they want, good or bad, and they make their "religions", basically, convenient for them. when they want to, they are religious. When they want to cheat, lie, steal, manipulate, kill, etc. they are humans. Then, they think going to church on Sunday absolves everything?

Someone above said evolution is ridiculous. THAT'S riduculous. Evolution is so proven, it's not even debatable. You can see evolution happen in your own lifetime. Both physical, social, etc. Oh, BTW, we share 99% of our DNA with chimps. hmmm....

[Terry]

What a fucking waste. You realize you've replaced atheism for religion, and are just as narrow-minded and pompous when you say there is no god as the people who say there is.

YOU DON'T KNOW DUDE.

Sure Christianity's had its problems, people are bound to fuck anything up, but it's not the religion that's the problem, it's the certain idiots who push the religion on others.

edit: @ the OP

[Home Wrecker]

Originally Posted by Terry

What a fucking waste. You realize you've replaced atheism for religion, and are just as narrow-minded and pompous when you say there is no god as the people who say there is.

I can see the point you're making, but I have to say I disagree. I think saying there is something requires proof of that fact, saying there is nothing is the default and the logical case unless there is evidence to the contrary.

Example: Is it as valid to say there is a monster under my bed as saying there is no monster under my bed? The only real difference is that you can definitely prove there isn't a monster under my bed while no one will ever be able to prove there isn't a god.

[Parallax]

the bible is a collection of stories written at least several hundred years after the alleged death of jesus (not even the real pronounciation of the alleged messiah's name) and after that it was translated and edited numerous times, irrevocably changing its meaning. the bible is not the word of god by any means. how can any sane, intelligent person consider the bible as anything more than a collection of stories and fables from a long time ago? what makes the bible any different than "homers odyssey?"

further more, christianity has caused more hate, death and suffering than it has love and acceptance. crusades anyone? you might say "but parallax, you cant judge christianity by the actions of its followers", well i say BULLSHIT, how else am i going to judge christianity, or any religion for that matter if not by the actions of its followers.

wake up people, christianity is nothing more than a cult that brainwashes its followers from birth, no sane/ intelligent person would become a christian if they werent brainwashed from the start. its no different from the religions that came before it.

[BearsysRevenge]

Originally Posted by Terry

What a fucking waste. You realize you've replaced atheism for religion, and are just as narrow-minded and pompous when you say there is no god as the people who say there is.

HW pretty much beat me to it...

So you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or the Invisible Pink Unicorn? What about Russel's Teapot?


Seriously, not to come after you, but there's no reason to believe in any form of god, the burden of proof lies on the religions, and so far, not a bit of proof.

[BearsysRevenge]

Originally Posted by Parallax

the bible is a collection of stories edited together, at the First Council of Nicaea, where a group of religious leaders chose which portions of Jesus' teachings would form together to be Christianity 325 years after the alleged death of jesus (not even the real pronounciation of the alleged messiah's name[No, but it is a Romanization of the original]) and after that it was translated and edited numerous times, irrevocably changing its meaning. the bible is not the word of god by any means. how can any sane, intelligent person consider the bible as anything more than a collection of stories and fables from a long time ago? what makes the bible any different than "homers odyssey?"

further more, christianity has caused more hate, death and suffering than it has love and acceptance. crusades anyone? you might say "but parallax, you cant judge christianity by the actions of its followers", well i say BULLSHIT, how else am i going to judge christianity, or any religion for that matter if not by the actions of its followers.

wake up people, christianity is nothing more than a cult that brainwashes its followers from birth, no sane/ intelligent person would become a christian if they werent brainwashed from the start. its no different from the religions that came before it.

I'm gonna make a few changes/additions to your post. Aside from those you're spot on.

Now, for my addition to the thread. /cracks knuckles

The First Council of Nicaea was convoked by Roman Emperor Constantine the First. Emperor Constantine has been a very successful Emperor by this time, especially since winning over Maximian. Many historical sources describe how Constantine found a relic of Jesus and carried with him into his war with Maximian for the Roman Empire. Constantine was not Christian at this time but reports describe how, in the middle of the war, the cross symbol emerged somehow. Sources vary in this; two arrows crossed, blood spattered on a shield, etc. Either way, it was at this moment that he had an epiphany and converted to Christendom. Constantine attributes his win to this epiphany. The arch of Constantine was to celebrate this victory. A while after, in 313 Ad, Constantine noticed the conflicts between pagans and Christens. These are two major enemy religions having to live under the same Empire so, of course, there is a lot of conflict. In 313, Licinus, Roman Emperor of the East, postulated the Edict of Milan which gave religious freedom. However, this caused a greater uproar eventually leading to civil wars.

Now, imagine this from a political side. Two religions at war and you need to create harmony. What better way than to try and integrate the religions? The purpose of the first council of Nicaea was this very thing. With this in mind, consider the origins of most modern holidays and how they have mixed connotations with both Christianity and pagan backgrounds. Why do you think this is the case? Because of these councils and biblical manipulation. They edited the Bible to fit what was considered "right" at the time, and omitted entire books that contradicted the Roman way of life.

So in all accuracy, the holiday Christians celebrate so fervently, and the book they base their beliefs on are merely a compromise created by a Roman council to prevent further in fighting.

Have fun, Christians!