Has Christianity finally been debunked? - Page 5

Paranoid Android · 03-10-2008, 08:45 PM

I believe real spirituality will replace religion.

Religion is nothing more than a belief, and we all know that beliefs are exactly that, a thought in your head.

Man in Black · 03-10-2008, 08:49 PM

Bearsy are you at all familiar with Christian apologetics?

First of all, theology is a pseduo-science at best, I'll admit that. I can understand your view of Christianity as I have all those things you mention thrown in my face all the time. In most of what you have posted as evidence against Christiany, I can dispute that with things I have read, just as you can.

This is why Christianity utterly comes down to faith. That is the whole idea of Christianity (and any religion). If you want to want to understand the reasoning behind and defense for the evidence supporting Christianity, read the apologetics.

I will post some examples soon.

Paranoid Android · 03-10-2008, 09:17 PM

People cling to religion like it's truth. Like there is something real and meaningful behind going to church every sunday and listen to some guy talk about the past. You think "god" is happy you are sitting around worshiping him/her?

God is everything, including this waking moment. He is not some old man in "heaven," there is no hell, besides the hell in which we create here on earth and in our minds.

There is only now, and nothing else.

BearsysRevenge · 03-10-2008, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Man in Black

Bearsy are you at all familiar with Christian apologetics?

First of all, theology is a pseduo-science at best, I'll admit that. I can understand your view of Christianity as I have all those things you mention thrown in my face all the time. In most of what you have posted as evidence against Christiany, I can dispute that with things I have read, just as you can.

This is why Christianity utterly comes down to faith. That is the whole idea of Christianity (and any religion). If you want to want to understand the reasoning behind and defense for the evidence supporting Christianity, read the apologetics.

I will post some examples soon.

I'm very familiar with Christianity, I'm a recovering Christian of 17 years.

the-who? · 03-10-2008, 11:14 PM

humans wrote the bible...

Genesis says it all - "Humans are greater than all other creatures"

come on. I believe in a greater power.. but come on.

spicoli · 03-11-2008, 07:57 PM

I'm not searching for another way. I'm happy with the way I'm going. I choose the Christian God because I am a CHRISTIAN!! Yes, it does have everything to do with Christianity being the basis of faith in my entire family...Is that wrong? No, I don't think so. I believe that I would've ultimately chosen Christianity no matter what. Eventually I would have. In many ways this goes against my religion, but I believe in some way we all worship the same God, he just has different names and customs in different parts of the world. I choose the Christian God and Catholic customs. They are what are comfortable and familiar to me. Beyond all the other aspects of all that. I don't go the church every Sunday, by any stretch. But I still consider myself a Catholic.
Now a question for you: Why do you feel the need to convince me other than what I already believe?

Edit: Question and response are for Bearsysrevenge

Love the 'recovering Christian' thing...I've hear recovering Catholic, too...lol

Man in Black · 03-11-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BearsysRevenge

I'm very familiar with Christianity, I'm a recovering Christian of 17 years.

Okay but have you read any apologetics was my question.

verklingen · 03-12-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by spicoli

In many ways this goes against my religion, but I believe in some way we all worship the same God, he just has different names and customs in different parts of the world.

dude, thinking that doesn't go against your religion at all. that's exactly what jesus himself had to say on the matter: we are all children of the same loving god, of whose fullness we are each unique and equal expressions.

think of your dna. it is composed of atoms which through physics have come to express themselves as the molecule deoxyribonucleic acid. this molecule instructs the organic molecules which make up our body to express in such a way as to produce life. in the human body alone the expressions are myriad: heart cell, lung cell, kidney cell, brain cell, bone cell, skin cell, and on and on. without any one of these expressions our body would be incomplete, and without many of them we would cease to live. without others we would cease to be functional. this manifestation of our very existence depends upon the proper expression of these molecules as directed by our dna.

jesus preached that the mechanics of a society are in application no different from this process. as our cells are unique expressions composing our body, so too are we unique and necessary "human cells" composing a societal body. the problem jesus saw was that we do not coordinate as the cells of our biology do, and thus we encounter again and again every woe and tragedy down through recorded history and beyond. the human cells of our society compete, challenge, and destroy for their own sake rather than working in cooperation for the prosperity of the whole.

the different world religions (INCLUDING christianity, which is in all ways completely unlike anything preached by jesus), like any organization of competitive human cells, are merely expressions of this same paradigm. they all act for their own prosperity and refuse to cooperate toward anything resembling spiritual truth, choosing instead to believe that everyone else must for some reason or another have it completely wrong. those which are still around today have merely done a better job of protecting their interests. . . usually through fear and violence.

jesus only reminded us that we have a conscience, and that we can use it to make our lives and the world a better place. we know what's right and wrong, and we're always making decisions for one or the other. if we're making a choice, the choice that best fits cooperation and allows for the greatest mutual benefit can be likened to the instruction of our dna. the molecules which are directed by our dna are forced by physics to comply. the virtue/vice of our existence is that we get to choose. all jesus had to say was that we reap the fruit of our choice.

citizen abuse · 03-12-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Man in Black

Bearsy are you at all familiar with Christian apologetics?

First of all, theology is a pseduo-science at best, I'll admit that. I can understand your view of Christianity as I have all those things you mention thrown in my face all the time. In most of what you have posted as evidence against Christiany, I can dispute that with things I have read, just as you can.

This is why Christianity utterly comes down to faith. That is the whole idea of Christianity (and any religion). If you want to want to understand the reasoning behind and defense for the evidence supporting Christianity, read the apologetics.

I will post some examples soon.

Faith is one thing. Trying to force faith-based ideology on others is another. As the piece pointed out, that's what the Christians do. They're always implying that people who don't worship Christianity are screwed up. If they would just mind their own business I don't think anybody would have a problem with Christianity.

verklingen · 03-12-2008, 10:21 AM

^ so isn't it more about debunking christians themselves and less about debunking the religion? no one with a straight head will ever deny that christians have done and still do some fucked up shit.

Roach · 03-12-2008, 11:30 AM

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Has Christianity finally been debunked?

I think it's more of a matter of all religion being debunked ,along with those who claim to follow one of them.

And I for one fully approve.

spiritual......

adjective

Definition:

1. of soul: relating to the soul or spirit, usually in contrast to material things

2. of religion: relating to religious or sacred things rather than worldly things

3. temperamentally or intellectually akin: connected by an affinity of the mind, spirit, or temperament
spiritual mother of the young artist

4. refined: showing great refinement and concern with the higher things in life

noun (plural spir·i·tu·als)

Definition:

1. folk hymn: a religious song, especially one arising from African American culture

2. things of spirit: matters concerning the spirit
He was deeply concerned with anything to do with the spiritual.

these appear to be mostly religious definitions....lol.: )
ie: soul...spirit....

higher things in life ?...like airplanes or maybe stoners ?

**v3d4** · 03-12-2008, 02:29 PM

maybe we should have a definition of "christian" and "christianity" in here because i think that everyone else may have a different definition from mine.
there may be some disagreement in the interpretations of what Jesus taught, but it seems like the teachings of Jesus ought to be central to the definition of "christianity" but everybody is pointing at things that dont seem to be very much related to what Jesus taught.
srsly, you cant debunk the truth.

~LegalizeIt~ · 03-12-2008, 07:32 PM

No need for the word "finally." I don't understand how people can continually worship someone who has been dead for millenniums. You have never met this person. You have never even heard a word out of his mouth. You do not know anything about his life or his beliefs. Think for your fucking self. Don't let these tales of exaggeration fool you. You want to believe in this nonsense then go right ahead but it is simply a waste of your time. I'm sure everything Jesus stood for is far beyond what any of us know or believe.

Ego Tripping · 03-12-2008, 08:43 PM

If people spent as much time examining and dissecting their own beliefs as much as they examine other people's, I have a feeling there would be much more peace present than there is now.

citizen abuse · 03-13-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by verklingen

^ so isn't it more about debunking christians themselves and less about debunking the religion? no one with a straight head will ever deny that christians have done and still do some fucked up shit.

I'm not sure just what it is you're trying to say here but let me clarify what I said in case it wasn't clear to some people.

Even though I don't attach any credibility to Christianity, I don't have a problem with people worshipping it as long as they're not trying to wage a war against others based on any Christian-related scripture.

**v3d4** · 03-13-2008, 08:41 PM

^ but see thats where i see a problem in your thinking, because christian scripture specifically says not to wage war at all... so anybody that is waging any war is not following christian scripture and is therefore not christian
maybe they are fake or are deluded, either way they are not doing what Jesus taught

citizen abuse · 03-14-2008, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by v3d4

^ but see thats where i see a problem in your thinking, because christian scripture specifically says not to wage war at all... so anybody that is waging any war is not following christian scripture and is therefore not christian
maybe they are fake or are deluded, either way they are not doing what Jesus taught

Good point!

JcP · 03-14-2008, 02:34 PM

the same philosophy can be applied to any religion.

What did Gandhi say? Something like I like your Jesus, but not your christians?

03-10-2008, 08:45 PM	#81 (permalink)
Paranoid Android Down is the new up. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 2,961 Thanks: 24 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts	I believe real spirituality will replace religion. Religion is nothing more than a belief, and we all know that beliefs are exactly that, a thought in your head. __________________ Tried to fake it, I just can’t take it I don’t care if it hurts, Just so long as it’s real.

03-10-2008, 08:49 PM	#82 (permalink)
Man in Black sic semper tyrannis Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 646 Thanks: 106 Thanked 48 Times in 38 Posts	Bearsy are you at all familiar with Christian apologetics? First of all, theology is a pseduo-science at best, I'll admit that. I can understand your view of Christianity as I have all those things you mention thrown in my face all the time. In most of what you have posted as evidence against Christiany, I can dispute that with things I have read, just as you can. This is why Christianity utterly comes down to faith. That is the whole idea of Christianity (and any religion). If you want to want to understand the reasoning behind and defense for the evidence supporting Christianity, read the apologetics. I will post some examples soon. __________________ This nation will only remain the land of the free so long as it is the home of the brave Last edited by Man in Black; 03-10-2008 at 08:52 PM.

03-10-2008, 09:17 PM	#83 (permalink)
Paranoid Android Down is the new up. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 2,961 Thanks: 24 Thanked 21 Times in 17 Posts	People cling to religion like it's truth. Like there is something real and meaningful behind going to church every sunday and listen to some guy talk about the past. You think "god" is happy you are sitting around worshiping him/her? God is everything, including this waking moment. He is not some old man in "heaven," there is no hell, besides the hell in which we create here on earth and in our minds. There is only now, and nothing else. __________________ Tried to fake it, I just can’t take it I don’t care if it hurts, Just so long as it’s real.

03-10-2008, 11:14 PM	#85 (permalink)
the-who? watching adultswim Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 368 Thanks: 10 Thanked 31 Times in 25 Posts	humans wrote the bible... Genesis says it all - "Humans are greater than all other creatures" come on. I believe in a greater power.. but come on. __________________ and you run and you run to catch up with sun, but its sinking. Racing around to come up behind you again. The sun is the same in a relative but you're older shorter of breath and one day closer to death

03-11-2008, 07:57 PM	#86 (permalink)
spicoli YaHookan Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cali Posts: 549 Thanks: 79 Thanked 52 Times in 42 Posts	I'm not searching for another way. I'm happy with the way I'm going. I choose the Christian God because I am a CHRISTIAN!! Yes, it does have everything to do with Christianity being the basis of faith in my entire family...Is that wrong? No, I don't think so. I believe that I would've ultimately chosen Christianity no matter what. Eventually I would have. In many ways this goes against my religion, but I believe in some way we all worship the same God, he just has different names and customs in different parts of the world. I choose the Christian God and Catholic customs. They are what are comfortable and familiar to me. Beyond all the other aspects of all that. I don't go the church every Sunday, by any stretch. But I still consider myself a Catholic. Now a question for you: Why do you feel the need to convince me other than what I already believe? Edit: Question and response are for Bearsysrevenge Love the 'recovering Christian' thing...I've hear recovering Catholic, too...lol __________________ "Bad is never good until worse happens." -Danish Proverb Last edited by spicoli; 03-11-2008 at 08:00 PM. Reason: didn't direct response or question!

03-12-2008, 02:29 PM	#92 (permalink)
v3d4 sky mind daughter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lartajuna Posts: 5,559 Thanks: 27 Thanked 120 Times in 64 Posts	maybe we should have a definition of "christian" and "christianity" in here because i think that everyone else may have a different definition from mine. there may be some disagreement in the interpretations of what Jesus taught, but it seems like the teachings of Jesus ought to be central to the definition of "christianity" but everybody is pointing at things that dont seem to be very much related to what Jesus taught. srsly, you cant debunk the truth. __________________ remember our Governor Ken Gorman

03-12-2008, 07:32 PM	#93 (permalink)
~LegalizeIt~ Tasting Fractals Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 925 Thanks: 13 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	No need for the word "finally." I don't understand how people can continually worship someone who has been dead for millenniums. You have never met this person. You have never even heard a word out of his mouth. You do not know anything about his life or his beliefs. Think for your fucking self. Don't let these tales of exaggeration fool you. You want to believe in this nonsense then go right ahead but it is simply a waste of your time. I'm sure everything Jesus stood for is far beyond what any of us know or believe.

03-12-2008, 08:43 PM	#94 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 12,251 Thanks: 21 Thanked 79 Times in 47 Posts	If people spent as much time examining and dissecting their own beliefs as much as they examine other people's, I have a feeling there would be much more peace present than there is now. __________________ "Happiness is only real when shared".

03-13-2008, 08:41 PM	#96 (permalink)
v3d4 sky mind daughter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lartajuna Posts: 5,559 Thanks: 27 Thanked 120 Times in 64 Posts	^ but see thats where i see a problem in your thinking, because christian scripture specifically says not to wage war at all... so anybody that is waging any war is not following christian scripture and is therefore not christian maybe they are fake or are deluded, either way they are not doing what Jesus taught __________________ remember our Governor Ken Gorman