Has Christianity finally been debunked?

[verklingen]

^ i believe it's a process of the ego. the ego enjoys external verification of its perceptions, because this is its lifeblood. if one ego is able to convince another ego of something, the concept lives on as a kind of consciousness "gene". . . and this serves to anchor the consciousness in linear physicality: namely, in a pursuit of survival. thus the ego seeks to survive. . . and there is "safety in numbers," as they say.

[citizen abuse]

The one point alone in the piece, that Jesus Christ had zero knowledge of the natural world, is beyond doubt the absolute knockout blow to any notion that Jesus was the son of a being that created the universe.

[verklingen]

^ jesus was more about the internal world than the external. the point of the piece and your point in continually echoing it are of no consequence.

[iome13]

i see a lot of talk about logic in here, and i've just gotta say that

both sides (atheist and christian) of the argument follow a logical approach. to claim that the christian argument is not logical is false.

they are both logical arguments built upon different assumptions.
even the mighty atheist must build with logic upon what they assume to be true.

[iome13]

Originally Posted by verklingen

^ i believe it's a process of the ego. the ego enjoys external verification of its perceptions, because this is its lifeblood. if one ego is able to convince another ego of something, the concept lives on as a kind of consciousness "gene". . . and this serves to anchor the consciousness in linear physicality: namely, in a pursuit of survival. thus the ego seeks to survive. . . and there is "safety in numbers," as they say.

Meme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


ed:
atheism is just as much a meme as christianity.
seems to me that people confuse atheism for some sort of natural state of mankind or the state of man's mind when one is thinking for oneself - free of the chains of tradition and lies, or what-have-you
but atheism seems more like something that pops up later in history and has taken a hold because people are unwilling or unable to place faith in anything untangible.
in my opinion, it's just as much a security blanket or a crutch as any other paradigm

i see a lot of atheists say "think for yourself"
but if i blindly accepted their atheism to be true, would i be thinking for myself?

[Terry]

So if Jesus had predicted a comet or an earthquake or told everyone the earth revolved around the son some of you would be more willing to believe him?

"Do not test the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 6:16

[kamikazi89]

Originally Posted by iome13

Meme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


ed:
atheism is just as much a meme as christianity.
seems to me that people confuse atheism for some sort of natural state of mankind or the state of man's mind when one is thinking for oneself - free of the chains of tradition and lies, or what-have-you
but atheism seems more like something that pops up later in history and has taken a hold because people are unwilling or unable to place faith in anything untangible.
in my opinion, it's just as much a security blanket or a crutch as any other paradigm

i see a lot of atheists say "think for yourself"
but if i blindly accepted their atheism to be true, would i be thinking for myself?

the evidence is on their side(that's the whole point of atheism)
could you elaborate how atheism is a security blanket/crutch compared to religion..to me it seems the opposite is true

[verklingen]

lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. . .

in fact "evidence" is itself biased, having everything to do with objectivity: a realm of existence which comprises only a portion of the reality we experience. the subjective, though non-evident, holds just as much importance for us. thus we can only trust our evidence as far as we can throw it. . . or at the very least, only trust conclusions drawn from evidence as far as we are able to throw the things they affect. anything beyond that is fair game.

[iome13]

Originally Posted by kamikazi89

the evidence is on their side(that's the whole point of atheism)
could you elaborate how atheism is a security blanket/crutch compared to religion..to me it seems the opposite is true

because it can be a scary thought that there can be more to reality than what one experiences with the physical senses, or that there are some things that may be unknowable. so one clings to only the things that one feels are absolutely knowable, ignoring more subjective evidence
everyone experiences reality a bit differently, our brains filter out so much. just consider vision. many of the things we see are made up by our brain depending on what we expect to see, based on the patterns we're used to seeing. we just kinda fill in the blanks to get a full picture

[kamikazi89]

i leave jesus out of the equation: if no one brought him up, neither would i

thats part of the tradition

..and adapting

with the times(science)univer salism

not to mention judicious editing(bible=lol)

[Legal lies]

Originally Posted by Terry

...the earth revolved around the son...

That made me think of a good, if slightly insulting definition of Christians-people who think the Earth revolves around the Son.

[verklingen]

^ that wouldn't be insulting because it's the truth (to those who would follow jesus' words). jesus described us as "sons of the living father," and the world does indeed revolve around us. . . or our focus, if you will.

[kamikazi89]

no it doesn't, it just seems that way

[verklingen]

so experience can be based around something other than focus? do tell!

[kamikazi89]

Originally Posted by verklingen

so experience can be based around something other than jesus? do tell!

fixd

[verklingen]

it would be cool if you could have a real discussion. i only bring up jesus because it's the topic of this thread. for now, i am speaking beyond an old dead guy who might not even have existed. i hope you'll play along, because i love learning new things and the only way is for others to clarify their own understanding. i know there are no rules for discourse in this forum, but i can only imagine clarifying your understanding will be as enjoyable for you as it is for me. . . maybe i'm alone in that?

ps: i find it pretty ridiculous that you keep assuming anything remotely relatible to jesus must necessarily be false. let's use your terminology, if you're willing.

[kamikazi89]

i thought it was a good article..being an atheist myself i totally understood where it was coming from