Has Christianity finally been debunked?

[iome13]

Originally Posted by citizen abuse

That would depend on what one's standard of proof was!

exactly
your mind is like a lense, through which you experience reality. reality is much bigger than the lense, but the lense is there so you can focus, simplify it enough so that you can function, have identity, etc.
otherwise, it’s chaos. there’s just too much data coming into your brain. your mind breaks it down for you so you can get your body around, sustain it and maintain it so your mind can go on experiencing

everyone experiences things differently. one person looks at scientific data and sees proof there is no god, another looks at the same data and sees the opposite. we all make our judgements based on things we assume to be true. (even what i'm saying now)

i see it like two sides of a coin. some are calling heads, some tails. but scratching the image off of one side of the coin so that you can never get "heads" with your coin doesn’t take that side of the coin away. and guess what? everyone else has a coin, too, so just because your coin is missing the image on one side doesn’t mean it’s the standard or the absolute truth.

[kamikazi89]

god obviously fufills many a psychological need..

just look at prison populations(of which the US and china lead the world in)

jesus buddhists and allah,,

[iome13]

what do you mean?

[kamikazi89]

figure it yourself or moveon

life is short, and precious)

[citizen abuse]

All I know is no one has any lick of a chance of getting me to believe that someone who didn't exhibit any knowledge of the natural world was supposedly the so-called son of the being who was supposed to have created the natural world. Particularly when you consider that the son and the being were supposedly one in the same. That would be tantamount to the creator of the natural world not even knowing anything about what it was he created. Others might try to downplay that as being insignificant. I wholeheartedly disagree!

[iome13]

^maybe god is autistic or something, how would we know for sure?
but the belief that jesus never exhibited any knowledge of the natural world is totally dependant on the very bible that atheists denounce! because that is where we get all our information on jesus, except for a few random gnostic gospels and such

anyway, my entire point has been that
whatever we think we know about the universe has been filtered through our own Belief System
i think R.A.W.put it best:
1: never believe totally in anybody else's B.S.
2: never believe totally in your own B.S.

[Legal lies]

Originally Posted by iome13

whatever we think we know about the universe has been filtered through our own Belief System

But don't we have to know something about the universe before we form a belief system? We must experience something and come to hold beliefs about that something before we form a system of beliefs.

[msicidron]

why must atheism be the only alternative to religion?

[JcP]

atheism is a religion of sorts. It has its own set of dogma, own set of leaders, and own set of beliefs.

That's the funny thing about -isms.


I think the only non-religious based belief system is "I don't know." Which is quite different than atheism or standard religions.

[kamikazi89]

logic reason proof

those are the big three"dogmas"

[iome13]

what about the square root of -1? the infinitesimal in calculus is a number smaller than any number you can write
there are things mathematics can't explain, and most people just ignore it.
there's pure math and practical math
just because it's a more left-brained way of viewing the universe doesn't mean it discredits other ways. it's just another way of seeing and explaining the same thing

[iome13]

what i'm getting at is that the world of mathematics, logic, and "proof" is colorless, tasteless, temperatureless, and explainable only through abstract ideas that we can not possibly experience first-hand. (ie: there is no perfect mathematical circles nature, only rings) the materialistic view seemingly espoused by this logic and hard proof ignores such complete abstractions like the infinitesimal, and we accept it blindly because we can use it practically without having to completely understand the existence or implications of things like the infinitesimal.
those people who concern themselves with things like the infinitesimal are no longer considered scientists, but philosophers

[iome13]

Originally Posted by Legal lies

But don't we have to know something about the universe before we form a belief system? We must experience something and come to hold beliefs about that something before we form a system of beliefs.

sure, but from birth, our tribe teaches us how to see and what to believe. then they send us to school and we are indoctrinated further. as we get older and begin to form our own identity by having our own personal experiences we'll form our own beliefs, but we can't really totally shake off the conditioning we recieved in our early developmental years without a lot work, if at all.

[kamikazi89]

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[iome13]

i don't disagree with you on your reasons for not approving of christianity and religion in general, there are a lot of backward-thinking people who subscribe to them (the various religions). it's your metaphysics

[kamikazi89]

i don't disapprove or approve(religion: it's just not for me

[citizen abuse]

Originally Posted by msicidron

why must atheism be the only alternative to religion?

It's because atheism is a why-believe-anything mentality!

[kamikazi89]