What if Jesus appeared in this lifetime?

[Ziggy Fry]

That's a big block of text.

Sin.Ziggy.

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by josh22_22

okay so first i didn't understand the part about the lighter, explain that better.

next you mention we don't come from apes. But do u realize the things that are supposed to work perfect (2 eyes, ears, reproductive parts) the apes also have them. You can see the similarities physically, socially, psychologically, and finally through DNA.

And the stuff about the first animals, I explained how the first cell forms. Cells reproduce asexually if you look at them alone. They are just making copies of themselves. Some cells clumped together and other remained by themselves. Naturally, look at anything, strength lies in number. You can break one stick with ease, but try breaking 50 sticks at once; it doesn't work. So naturally cells that clump together would have a better chance of surviving the extreme conditions of the earth.
Everything kept on getting bigger and bigger more millions of years. Thats why there were those pre-historic animals which were really big. Big birds, Dinasours etc. Until conditions on earth changed (that meteor hit) and there most of the big trees were wiped, the whole landscape was changed, there were massive extinctions. Everything that was still moderate in size was able to survive. Since the landscape couldn't support as big creatures, nature didn't favor their evolution. Instead having more brains, meant you could survive the best. Which leads us to mammals in general, and further monkey and then us.

And I don't know if there are alien's or not. Odds are in favor though. And I do not think the government is capable to hiding such big thing. Do you really believe that aliens are only going to come to the U.S.A. I know other countries have had citing too, but the odds are AGAINST aliens from coming to this planet. Because we have looked around us and nothing seems to have life for a couple of light years away for sure (condering life as we know it). But suppose their was life I don't know some light years away, how would they come here. Nothing can travel at the speed of light, except for light. Not even an electron moves at the speed of light. Light, weighing nothing, is able to travel at light. So anything that wants to travel at the speed of light must weight nothing. But that's not possible because to be something you have to have be made up of atoms and electrons at the molecular level, and since its a know fact that an atom can't go at the speed of light nothing can go at the speed of light.
And just for the hell of, say the aliens can go at the speed of light, why would they be secretive? I mean just showing up on picture slightly? Or just a glance on video with lights. If they have really found a way to come here wouldn't they be interested in us, whether its to do us harm or to do us good (like take our water or something).
I think that people who see aliens are just seeing lights in a random order or things in a random order, and since humans hate the idea of random (evolution) they have to label it to something greater. Just like when people didn't understand rain, they said god created it, but know we know god doesn't, clouds do.
Mostly people tend to believe in conspiracy theories because its more interesting than just some random bullshit talking place. We associate something greater to it because we want to feel important, we want attention, we want to feel as if we are the center of the universe(like they literally used to).

i meant to say a pen......ive told the story b4 how i was chilling in my friends garage, closed, and a pen just propelled itself through the air, hit thewall and fell down...it was extremely creepy, even made more so when I found out that a man had committed suicide in.. the same house a couple years earlier....I had a N.D.E....I was accompanied by 2 beings....I thought they were human at the time (I didn't know I was in a coma dying), and in retrospect, I now SEE they were there to accompany me to the other side....Only when the DR.'s jump started my heart (twice) did they say they would be back for me l8r.......So whatever that is called, religion, afterlife, etc. I had a firsthand account of it....It was so real in fact, when I woke up from the coma I was in, and my dad told me that I had either been shot, or hit upside the head with a blunt object, I laughed HARD...I didnt believe him....Only when he showed me proof that I had been in jail for the previous 4 months did I finally say, whoa....he's right...not to mention my left hand stopped working, along with my left leg....I had what was compared to a stroke...So I KNOW there is an afterlife......I remember being "on an airplane" (with other people who were dying at that moment in time?) going somewhere, then just as I was about to reach our destination, I was told, I would be called for l8r, or rather "We'll definitely see you again"....now I consider myself lucky on 2 parts, 1., I'm alive, and 2., I caught a glimpse of the other side....so I am not so judgmental when I hear "far fetched" stories, as I have one to be believed myself....ashes to ashes, dust to dust, but our energy doesnt dissapate.....

[Logan's Heroes]

How did this thread turn into a 9/11, alien discussion?

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by Logan's Heroes

How did this thread turn into a 9/11, alien discussion?

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[Dr. ShinDig]

dudes, if Jesus came back I would kick that mo fuckah right square in the nuts. lol..


no really, there is no Jesus. At least not in the sense of a man who is the son of god.

for crying out loud people even the image we have of Jesus was not the original one. Our image of Jesus was changed from the original depiction of the time period in which Jesus supposedly existed in. Christians have simply created a fairy tale which they foolishly thrive upon throughout their life in order to feel worthy of it and subdue their fears. Through the centuries they even have the oddasity to change it to fit their own needs as if their needs dictate reality. "Foolish" is the only word that can sum up christianity or any other rivaling religion

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by Dr. ShinDig

dudes, if Jesus came back I would kick that mo fuckah right square in the nuts. lol..


no really, there is no Jesus. At least not in the sense of a man who is the son of god.

for crying out loud people even the image we have of Jesus was not the original one. Our image of Jesus was changed from the original depiction of the time period in which Jesus supposedly existed in. Christians have simply created a fairy tale which they foolishly thrive upon throughout their life in order to feel worthy of it and subdue their fears. Through the centuries they even have the oddasity to change it to fit their own needs as if their needs dictate reality. "Foolish" is the only word that can sum up christianity or any other rivaling religion

how can you say that?? I think people have gotten used to saying "its a fairy tale" so they don't give any thought of the dead sea scrolls, the ancient artifacts found, eyewitness miracle accounts, (the women in mexico i think), theyre all there..Dude it was 2000 years ago, every organic piece of evidence is gone, but there are the gnostic gospels the d.s. scrolls, etc....WE GO SOMEWHERE!!


I mean its like this, it takes two people2 create 1.....something awesome and unknown created us....it's like we're orphaned children.....

[Dr. ShinDig]

Originally Posted by matthewmunari

how can you say that?? I think people have gotten used to saying "its a fairy tale" so they don't give any thought of the dead sea scrolls, the ancient artifacts found, eyewitness miracle accounts, (the women in mexico i think), theyre all there..Dude it was 2000 years ago, every organic piece of evidence is gone, but there are the gnostic gospels the d.s. scrolls, etc....WE GO SOMEWHERE!!


I mean its like this, it takes two people2 create 1.....something awesome and unknown created us....it's like we're orphaned children.....

what your saying is ignorant. Because there is no organic evidence due to time passage means we should give in and believe? Hell there is no organic evidence of Zeus or Apollo, maybe we should believe in them because of the written text of the time.

It's called progression. I suggest you study up on it and where the next century should go.

[spicoli]

Dr. ShinDig-

Famous Scientists Who Believed in God

are they foolish? they are all respected scientists. with more knowlege of science than most of us could wish for, and they believed. i believe the last statistic i heard was 48% of scientists believe in God. present day. many of which are Christians. very brazen statments come from some people...it's really not a belief system you can simply call foolish and delusional, especially when respected scientists are believers.
you did bring science into the equation of your disbelief, but it's really not a valid argument. science cannot define God. God is not of the natural realm, so we have no measure with which to define him. you don't have to accept that as your belief, but you can't simply call it off as rubbish. amazing minds support this belief. what do you make of that?

[matthewmunari]

Originally Posted by Dr. ShinDig

what your saying is ignorant. Because there is no organic evidence due to time passage means we should give in and believe? Hell there is no organic evidence of Zeus or Apollo, maybe we should believe in them because of the written text of the time.

It's called progression. I suggest you study up on it and where the next century should go.

THATS WHY ITS CALLED FAITH.... the bible wasnt written that long ago, and combined with >my< personal N.D.E., I know that this isnt the end, you'll findout when its your turn to go...

[kamikazi89]

Originally Posted by Feyd

I find it truly sad that so many people are enthralled by this Jesus myth. The story of Jesus Christ is a plagiarization of dozens of other similar religious messiahs that predated it by hundreds and in some cases thousands of years. Yet everyone who is raised into a heavy Christian family is conned into believing that their one religion in contrast to the myriad other religions must be true, no matter how ridiculous it seems and untrue it most likely is.

If you ask a fundamentalist Christian if they believe everything in the Bible, that it is historically accurate and that the miracles performed by Jesus Christ were all true accounts, they would say yes.
If you asked them if Islam was true, they would say no. Muslims are following a false religion, worshipping false idols.
A man flies on a fucking winged horse to Jerusalem, and then flies to heaven on this horse and sees heaven with his own eyes. For 20 some years he babbles on and on, talking to Gabriel the angel, and writing down the story of Islam. This is part of the story of Islam.
In Christianity, Jesus walks on water, turns bread into fish, and water to wine. This however is NOT far fetched and completely believable to a Christian, whereas to everyone else it seems silly.
But this Christian belief is engraved into their mind to the point where it can't be undone. It is impossible for them to not believe. You cannot change their minds. They just quote "faith" as reason enough to believe. The story is so grand and elaborate that it must be true. "Nobody has proven it wrong in 2,000 years!" ... (nobody has proven it to be true in 2,000 years. or any organized religion for that matter). These people will never find out the truth, they will take their faith with them to the grave.
Perhaps that is what ultimately drives their faith, fear.
Fear of death, and what lies beyond. They are so afraid of losing their consciousness and not being able to experience thought that they make themselves believe in a man made fairy tale, to help them sleep better, thinking that when they die they will be rewarded for being such good keepers of the faith.

I've argued with my Christian friends, why is there no sign of any religious activity or spiritual activity in recent history?
They say that Jesus will return one day, but has yet to do so. They say there are events happening world wide that are beacons of his approach. War, famine, genocide, whatever. I say they are simply the way of the world, it is not religion.
And why should Jesus' return be the only great religious event? Why hasn't God done anything Biblical?
Did God take a two thousand year old nap? Is he tired from all the plagues and floods?

Perhaps he realized that we don't need God around to fuck up this world. We don't need frogs to rain from the sky or rivers to run red with blood. We have our own nukes, armys, and criminals.

I say God is not real. I am not trying to change anyones mind, and you will not change mine. Unless of course, you offer me actual hard evidence that God exists. Some physical proof. Science. Something that says he exists.

Not "well you haven't disproven his existence, so hah!" If I say that a fucking meatball planet in a galaxy of spaghetti 10 billion lightyears away is heaven, and in only Italians with the last name Pegorino are allowed in, you would call me a fucking buffoon. But I could use your logic and say "you haven't disproven it's existence" which would cause you to attempt to disprove it using logic and reason. Which is what "non-believers" do to your silly faith.

NICE POST

[matthewmunari]

okay, if God didnt create us, and you in your life havent had any NDE's..its time to start a new forum.....

[kamikazi89]

1 out of 2either or, i'm set: although i don't see the connection, mutually exclusivity ? new forum? go right ahead

[Feyd]

Originally Posted by matthewmunari

how can you say that?? I think people have gotten used to saying "its a fairy tale" so they don't give any thought of the dead sea scrolls, the ancient artifacts found, eyewitness miracle accounts, (the women in mexico i think), theyre all there..Dude it was 2000 years ago, every organic piece of evidence is gone, but there are the gnostic gospels the d.s. scrolls, etc....WE GO SOMEWHERE!!


I mean its like this, it takes two people2 create 1.....something awesome and unknown created us....it's like we're orphaned children.....

Oh man, evidence of Christianity existing around the time of its...existence...

It must validate our beliefs! Huzzah!
No.

If you think that ancient artifacts (quite a silly way to put it, you say "ancient artifacts" as if the phrase is supposed to insinuate mysticism) validate a religion, then you might as well go buy yourself a nice kufi and sajada cause you got some catching up to do.

A few sacred "ancient artifacts" that the Muslims have from Muhammed:
His tooth
Soil from his tomb
His footprint
Holy mantle
His swords
Letter of the Prophet Muhammed
Hairs from his beard


Surely, surely this must validate his existence and add biblically certain physical evidence to support the Islamic religion, correct?

Oh wait, it's not Christianity, so it must not be true.

CARRY ON, NOTHING TO SEE HERE, JUST ONE OF THEM OTHER "CRAZY" RELIGIONS


I think people that believe in religion are absolutely crazy. Either that or extremely gullible.

Mankind cannot possibly have access to the information that God exists, or else all men would have this access.
Otherwise, what you have is a group of men creating a story that other people believe wholeheartedly.

[verklingen]

Originally Posted by Feyd

Mankind cannot possibly have access to the information that God exists, or else all men would have this access.

who says all men cannot have this access? i believe we all do in whatever sense we choose, some (read: not all) just take it upon themselves to dictate what kind of access others can and cannot have. . . and so we have the birth of religion.

but denying someone else's accepted sense of access while offering nothing in its place -- such as an atheist will likely do when discussing religious topics -- is no different.

[v3d4]

everyone everywhere has complete access to god consciousness 24 hours a day everyday

only people who dont know it would bother to deny this truth, or those who feel they have some reason to lie about it.
but this is too much like a certain athletic six year old telling me she cant possibly learn to ride a bike. "i cant! i just cant! i cant do it" she says. same thing to insist you cant possibly know anything about god