The moment you die you lose 21 grams?? So does the soul weighs 21 grams?

shakeNbake06 · 05-13-2008, 11:21 AM

I found this pretty interesting. I was reading about this scientist that did an experiment where he weighed a bunch of terminally ill patients before, during, and immediately after their death and he concluded they all lost 21 grams immediately after..Of course it hasn't been tested since.. but still pretty crazy to think about

Prophet Saddam · 05-13-2008, 11:23 AM

Seen the movie?

21 Grams (2003)

verklingen · 05-13-2008, 11:23 AM

smells of bs to me. any links?

shakeNbake06 · 05-13-2008, 11:50 AM

heres one snopes.com: Weight of the Soul
he also did the experiment with animals and nothing happened

Skywarp · 05-13-2008, 01:31 PM

The 21 grams is the average amount of feces expelled when the bowels release...

WildWill · 05-13-2008, 01:32 PM

Seems to me though that the experiment could be done in a more modern environment and true results could be achieved.

That said, I don't particularly believe the results. I do believe in a soul and that it departs the body - though my belief is that it could depart PRIOR to the body actually expiring as my father was in a coma before he died and there was a distinct time period where i felt his soul was there, and a time period where I didn't feel it's presence. Of course that's a HIGHLY subjective experience and not scientific at all.

It's an interesting discourse though, and I'd like to see that movie, though I haven't yet.

shakeNbake06 · 05-13-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywarp

The 21 grams is the average amount of feces expelled when the bowels release...

well it says that he eliminated many explanations for the observed results as he could; like the amount of water evaporation of moisture like sweat. He had the ill patients lie on the scale and immediately at their death there was a sudden loss of weight.

**AlteredStateGrl** · 05-13-2008, 01:59 PM

so everyones soul weighs the same?

Man in Black · 05-13-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Prophet Saddam

Seen the movie?

21 Grams (2003)

Yeah it was pretty good. Benicio Del Toro and Sean Penn ftw.

shakeNbake06 · 05-13-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AlteredStateGrl

so everyones soul weighs the same?

well it just says 21 grams was the average

msicidron · 05-13-2008, 06:58 PM

And I quote:

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Originally Posted by shakeNbake06

...they all lost 21 grams immediately after...

espiex · 05-13-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shakeNbake06

well it says that he eliminated many explanations for the observed results as he could; like the amount of water evaporation of moisture like sweat. He had the ill patients lie on the scale and immediately at their death there was a sudden loss of weight.

It also says

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What to make of all this? MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiousity, but nothing more.

NorcalCarl · 05-14-2008, 12:22 AM

Sounds really sketch.

clive · 05-14-2008, 03:45 AM

smells like bullshit

Stone420 · 05-14-2008, 06:50 PM

lol sounds to me liek the dying guy had a nice bag on em and got jacked by that docter lol jsut saying

matthewmunari · 05-15-2008, 07:36 AM

of course thats the weight of a soul...they have done MULTIPLE scientific studies on patients with impending death a no-brainerr (cancer victims, etc.) and have correctly identified at the PRECISE moment of death, your body weight loses 21 or so grams (i thought it was less)..but what else could it be? they've ruled out all the urine and fecal matter as possibilities, so It has to be the soul..I've crossed over, only to be saved by modern medicine in the nick of time (if you wanna hear my story PM me)......Ever hold a dying man in your arms? I did, last month, and I was too late too see the transfiguration...by seconds, but when I looked into his eyes, no one was home

.....We all are just using our vehicles (bodies) to function in a 3d world where you need certain things, (the 5 senses) to thrive.....Our bodies just provide us with a physichal manifestation......t o carry out tasks in an environ. we are slowly destroying.but thats a diff subject,...... but yes 21 grams is the "theory" of the weight of the soul...time to get my morning smoke on!

clive · 05-15-2008, 08:57 AM

To imply the soul has weight would be saying it has a physical existance, which it doesn't.

matthewmunari · 05-15-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by clive

To imply the soul has weight would be saying it has a physical existance, which it doesn't.

the souls IS energy, energy qualifies as physical existance...all we ARE is energy,,

The Rev · 05-15-2008, 07:50 PM

I want to market a brand of shoes with soles that weigh exactly 21 grams.

The Rev

05-13-2008, 11:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
shakeNbake06 YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 388 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	The moment you die you lose 21 grams?? So does the soul weighs 21 grams? I found this pretty interesting. I was reading about this scientist that did an experiment where he weighed a bunch of terminally ill patients before, during, and immediately after their death and he concluded they all lost 21 grams immediately after..Of course it hasn't been tested since.. but still pretty crazy to think about

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Skywarp More Equal Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pha That Luang Posts: 390 Thanks: 16 Thanked 33 Times in 27 Posts	The 21 grams is the average amount of feces expelled when the bowels release... __________________ ?

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WildWill Go Medical! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beverly Hills Adjacent Posts: 212 Thanks: 33 Thanked 29 Times in 24 Posts	Seems to me though that the experiment could be done in a more modern environment and true results could be achieved. That said, I don't particularly believe the results. I do believe in a soul and that it departs the body - though my belief is that it could depart PRIOR to the body actually expiring as my father was in a coma before he died and there was a distinct time period where i felt his soul was there, and a time period where I didn't feel it's presence. Of course that's a HIGHLY subjective experience and not scientific at all. It's an interesting discourse though, and I'd like to see that movie, though I haven't yet. __________________ Custom Volcano Bags http://www.geocities.com/wmnoe/volcanobags.html

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shakeNbake06 YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 388 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	heres one snopes.com: Weight of the Soul he also did the experiment with animals and nothing happened

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NorcalCarl YaHookan Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 182 Thanks: 17 Thanked 21 Times in 21 Posts	Sounds really sketch.

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Stone420 Jedi Join Date: May 2008 Location: pa Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	lol sounds to me liek the dying guy had a nice bag on em and got jacked by that docter lol jsut saying __________________ Purple Kush til i die