2012, Believe change?

[Canuck Wisdom]

Simple question, yes or no answer.

You can provide an explanation if you wish, but first just give a yes or no to change or not, on any level.

Do you believe that come, december 21st 2012 (or whatever the specific day is) there will be some sort of notable change?

If you wish, explain why. Fate, self-fulfilled prophecy, whats up?

[dubtrice]

there will be a change in human thought, probably not immediately noticeable, but 2012 marks the transition into a new age of living, thought and existence. I'd like to think that the world would change for the better but obviously a change in thought could go for better or worse; 2012 will surely be in the history books.

[Kishar]

yes.
my theory (which is not backed by scientific research only by what i watch on tv and things ive read in books and the internet) is...

were in a celestial cycle and earth will align with the dark rift, i think this may cause a perturbance in space matter and gravitational fields will go out of whack causing a mass bombardment of space debris on earth extinguishing most life.

the only enlightenment will be for the couple thousand people who are left to reseed earth or...



the "GODS" will return to visit their children on 2012 and fuck us up for contaminating the earth and sucking her natural resources dry because of greed and gluttony.


there are writings all over the world about 2012 but the mayans is the most detailed. even nostradamus talked about it.

somethings gonna happen, whatever it is idk but i believe in it.

[mothernature]

I say no, nothing will happen.

Just like every single other dooms day prediction that has not come true.

The money makers are planning right now, ways to scare you into spending money buying their products, so you can be 'safe'.

On Dec. 22, 2012, the will be some rich dudes laughing their way to the bank. That's my prediction.

[Kishar]

^ your probably right but i hope not.

i hope something big happens so we will stop fighting each other and unite as one and realize there are bigger issues than the dumb shit we kill each other over.

[Kompressor]

I'm gonna be left behind.

[Cerpin Taxt]

I say no, nothing will happen.

Just like every single other dooms day prediction that has not come true.

I agree.

I mean, why was there no mention of 2012 when the millenium doomsday was imminent?

The 2000 scare was created by people of our generation based on what we had, and the 2012 dooms day is predicted by mayans based on what they had. What made the former more reliable than the latter? The fact that one comes before the other?

I'll bet if 2012 goes by without a hitch there will be another culture of people who have their own prediction which will be brought to the light of the world, thus continuing the endless cycle of fear.

That being said, I'd like to believe the prediction was more figurative than literal, a 'dooms day' of our current stream of consciousness into one of enlightenment. Again, I'd LIKE to believe...

If doomsday does happen, it's going to be when no one suspects a thing.

[Ego Tripping]

Most everyone in the thread has it wrong on two accounts: The Mayans never set a specific date and it has nothing to do with anything negative happening to mankind.

No, nothing will happen because it already started happening. The biggest misconception is the date itself...it was an estimation from the Mayans and was never anything more. The shift/change started in the late 90's and will continue unabated until 2012-2015. 2012 was supposed to be the obvious marker of a measurable amount of change that we would look back and see how much was different, but the shift has been happening right before all your eyes...open them wider and you will see how much has already occurred. There is no instantaneous flash/bang change...it's all a slow (now that slow though, we are accelerated), gradual process that has been going for some time now.

This shift has nothing to do with transdimensions portals opening, raptures or apocalypses, or the sky filling with ships and it's most certainly nothing to fear...it's merely a shift on how people treat each other and think about earth, life and it's relationship to all creatures. The 'Golden Age' , which I do think is a real thing, is just a mindfulness of our human race and it's impact on the environments. It's a different way of doing business/economy, it's 'green energy', it's Web 3.0, it's instantaneous global communication, it's worldwide knowledge-of-self. It's not only going to happen, it's happening...I experience it more every single day. It's a full realization of our own powers.

Come December 21st 2012, nothing will happen. The sun will rise, birds will sing, people will get as tense if not more than on January 1st 2000....and then the sun will set and life will continue.

[Canuck Wisdom]

I say no, nothing will happen.

Just like every single other dooms day prediction that has not come true.

The money makers are planning right now, ways to scare you into spending money buying their products, so you can be 'safe'.

On Dec. 22, 2012, the will be some rich dudes laughing their way to the bank. That's my prediction.

Really? It is nothing more than a "doomsday" prophecy to you?

Thanks Ego, I pretty much agree entirely.

[Bdizzle Fa Real]

This is ridiculous?
Are you gonna believe the science of an extinct society from a time when nearly every person thought the earth was flat? Or are you gonna believe modern day science that had/has/is being tested repeatedly producing small errors if any.

This should be closed, no 1 society can predict the exact date of a catastrophic event, which isn't even thoroughly explained that could basically kill all life. I'd figure if you could predict the exact date you could also predict by what means. Not none of this 'dark rift' shit. And since you included gravity into the equation, this theory could be checked, (although not tested for obvious reasons) and physicist by now would have known something was to come.

K, I just read what Ego said, and if what he said is true then I suppose..... the whole doomsday shit is still incorrect. I was just told by nearly everyone that it was a specific date. I'll Wiki it right now.... k, you are correct. The Mayan's didn't see it as the apocalypse. So fuck all those people who misinformed me and others.

As for enlightenment, knowledge of the self and our connection with nature... I must say this...
It's not happening as of now. At least, people aren't outspoken about their understanding of our connection with nature. I must admit, I am among the majority who hasn't yet seen the connection. Maybe, the true knowledge is that we aren't connected after all. Shit, no wonder why we are the cause of death of millions of people, trees, animals etc. I can however admit I am learning a lot about my self and other humans whose eyes are connected to a fucking tube nearly 8 hours a day. I agree with George Carlin on his opinion of the baby boomers. Although I am a child of one, I have credibility and reasons for my hatred towards them. I can also agree that change is occurring in our daily lives. Sorry for ruining the thread

[The Rev]

The only event beginning in the nineties and destined to wind out in ~2012 is the current stock market bubble that they're desperately trying to re-inflate. Seems to be working a little, but that psychological 8000 barrier is just such a bitch.

The one great event of history that coincides with circa 2012 is the end of the American Empire, and perhaps the end of all Empires in the old sense of the word. This is a legit paradigm shift, in my book.



The Rev

[Canuck Wisdom]

Well Rev, consider this:

We live in a nearly global society that is governed by the market first and foremost. Power and influence in society is determined by profits and the ability to shape societies interests into delivering you more profits.
For example, many are convinced of the great value of oil to our society (myself included) and so the oil companies (exxon being the largest traded firm in the world) have immense power to shape the direction of society.
Profits are not important in an absolute term, but in a relative term. Which firm has made the greatest gains relative to the others. This firm has most successfully shaped our images of what is important to have/support.

What I'm trying to say, is that something like a stock market bubble is not just about numbers and money, but about society at large and our potential futures. So there may be a correltation between what your saying and what Ego is saying.

[Ego Tripping]

All I'm saying is:

Good things are coming. Great things, actually...so be excited! We're going to and are already seeing things that are blowing any previous conception of our progress out of the water. Belief systems are busting at the seams...religion and science are beginning to meld more and more into true spiritual beleifs...global interconnectedness is forging alliances and broadening our view of how society/earth/universe works, day by day...our technology is border-lining on the ethereal realm...information is being dispersed to the masses faster than it can be collected.

I've never been happier or more excited to be alive and a part of the planet. We're in the midst of a renaissance of the human mind...so join in...but leave the fear behind, it's the old way of doing things.

[Ego Tripping]

One thing I realized I didn't answer was 'why'.

That really is the trippy part...somehow these ancient cultures knew that mankind would be at this kind of crossroads. Although, I think I understand why, and it's simple scientific extrapolation...same as the formula that tries to say how likely there are civilizations like ours out there in the universe. The answer is evolution. It's constant and they saw this, just as we do. We're evolving and it's friggin' amazing because we can objectively observe ourselves while we perform the changes we anticipated. It's beyond a self-fulfilling prophecy...it's a mind-fuck of subjective/objective evolutionary processes that ties past, present and future into one continuum.

And on that note....

[Bodhisattva]

hopefully a space-ship will come and take all these 2012 morons far away from my earth

these 2012 people.. they tug at my heart-strings. the whole thing is an alienation thing, the alienated want to be born posthumously, or apparently just a tad bit ahead of the times in this case, radical as it may be

but in the taste and interest of this soothsaying

I want to wake up and read the news headline 'millions die after watching a dog play the violin on TV'.

but i dream dreams that i shouldent

[Sir-Ex]

Mene Mene Tekel Parsin

[Kishar]

just because there is no evidence about the upcoming events of twenty twelve that is no reason to have a condescending attitude towards the subject.

i mean whats wrong with wanting to believe in something bigger than ourselves even if it isnt true?

whats wrong with using your imagination and having fun speculating?

some people give their lives for religion but there is not a shred of physical evidence that ANY of it is true. but people flock to the churches like zombies but THATS o.k., right?

i thought this thread was supposed to be about opinons and sharing ideas not ridicule and misinformation.

i guess if my theories cannot be taken seriously (which i was hoping they would because i love this subject) i can go elsewhere. im sure i can find another twenty twelve thread to post in.

some of you had some really interesting theories worth further contemplation others not so.

'dark rift' shit.

i bet you believe jesus (no physical evidence he ever existed either) parted the fucking red sea though dont you?

this "dark rift shit" that your referring to is true. it's not a fairy tale.
here's some reading material which may 'enlighten' you.
What is the Galactic Alignment?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Alignment

[mothernature]

I guess I'm confused.....

The Dec. 21, 2012 is the date the Mayan calendar stops. As there is no one left alive who can read Mayan, we must trust to a handful of professionals to interpret for us.

We do know, that on that date, the planets, the sun, and the center of the Milky Way will line up. What does this really mean? That the earth will be destroyed? This lining up happens, about every 20,000 years. If this is true, then we humans need to find a new planet, I guess.

I do believe that this age will be remembered. Not from the late 90's thru 2012 though. It will be known as the 'computer age'. History will talk about NASA, the first man on the moon, microchips, and Windows.

For massive changes to come from that....I would have to say, I hope it does happen. I believe that global communication is the key. It's not so easy for the 'common folk' to be lied to now. What we do with our massive amounts of information is another story.
It seems to me, as a society, we (Americans at least) have done pretty much nothing. We knew George W. lied about WMD, and we re-elected him anyway.

And Bdizzle, I am a baby boomer. Why ya gotta hate me for?

[Sir-Ex]

This age won't be remembered so much for its computers. It'll be remembered most for the consuming industrial machine we've created in the last 150 years or so.

Anyway, back to 2012.

[verklingen]

i never understood the galactic alignment deal. astronomy deals in observation, yes? so we are looking to observe the galactic alignment years and years after it has occurred, being light years away from the respective galactic elements that are lining up. so to fear or hope for it is a little late as it's already arrived. the shift is upon us.

2012 is just a marker, an imprint, an impetus. if it has not manifested somehow for each of us yet, it will soon enough. when i say 2012, i speak of it as an idea which embodies the experiential transit from culmination to rebirth. the various effects of our misguided thoughts, behaviors, and expressions of desire are culminating for us both collectively and individually. when you realize it and start to do something about it, that is 2012. you can't unrealize something. . . once you have passed from ignorance to knowledge the only choice you have is whether to experience it as a gift of a curse. it's up to you.