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Reading that thread about the Krishnas reminded me of this topic I researched a few semesters back for a report. Heres the best vid I found, and you'll be suprised at how much of what this dude has said is true.
As a knee-jerk reaction most dont want to believe these things, but in my experience a bit of research and looking into these things is not only suprising, but somewhat unnerving. Some of the content is a little hardcore, prolly not to bad for most here, but some dont like the truth if its not -flowery.
Cool, watch the vid series and post up, lemme know about your thoughts and experiences, if any. Thanks for lookin.
this video has random images from things like the holocaust, starving children, war, slavery, and other things that imo dont have anything to do with sacrifices for religion. and several of the images were repeated, too. the audio is terrible, there were whole segments of this movie where the music would drown out the narrator. he talks about all world leaders being involved in some sort of conspiracy involving sacrifices, but offers no tangible evidence, or even any theories really, just rhetoric. and the stuff he does talk about which is true, such as sacrifices still happening today, everyone who has access to the national geographic channel/magazine, internet, or any type of media talking about other cultures already knows. this video is the equivalent of a nibiru video.
other than that, if the religion you or some culture practices sacrifices, then i dont think that they would consider that "dark". they would consider it "worship". the western worlds preconceived notions of "proper" worship does not include sacrifices, and we look down on that, so we would call it "dark". imo tho, ending a life just to appease some god is retarded.
this video has random images from things like the holocaust, starving children, war, slavery, and other things that imo dont have anything to do with sacrifices for religion. and several of the images were repeated, too. the audio is terrible, there were whole segments of this movie where the music would drown out the narrator. he talks about all world leaders being involved in some sort of conspiracy involving sacrifices, but offers no tangible evidence, or even any theories really, just rhetoric. and the stuff he does talk about which is true, such as sacrifices still happening today, everyone who has access to the national geographic channel/magazine, internet, or any type of media talking about other cultures already knows. this video is the equivalent of a nibiru video.
Hey thanks for your reply.
MmmmmmmmHmmm. With all these different images I think he is getting at something bigger, but the realization is one step beyond. IE. This is about more than religion. The sacrificial practices are phenomenon of themself, call it what you like, but religion surrounding it is only smoke or propaganda, etc. It can be classified as the dark arts, vampirism, barbarianism, whatever. But the truth of it is in the addiction to blood, and the drinking of it, and possible profound or mystical effects therof-including insanity and violence on massive scale.
Yes the audio is bad-in a few spots [but better with headphones]
Regarding the world elite/leaders. I think if you watch the full series of videos it will be more elucidated. This guy may not always express himself with utmost eloquence, but imo he shows a very broad range of knowledge and understanding in various fields of scholarship and information. This may not be appreciated by those who do not share such a wide base of knowledge, unless they look into these subjects more. SOmetimes people take for granted that people know some basic things which they dont.
I was researching these topics for quite some time before I came across this video, and therefore I could appreciate it better and found it to be incredibly insightful and indicative of someone who has grasped rarely understood knowledge and subtle truths. In other words this is a guy of considerable knowledge with a lot of diverse scholarship under his belt, tho he may not always express himself perfectly.
This lineage of sacrifice practicing people descends from the ancient northern barbarians (several tribes such as Goths, Vikings, and Hicksas peoples) who mastered metallurgy, became expert ship builders and conquered all of Europe and most of the world and established this divided, nationalized empire--like a pie cut up among themselves. They did and still constitute the top of the global aristocracy, the international and central bankers, military industrialists, and royal/ruling class of all governments. but all this has purposely and cleverly been kept quite secretive and hidden. Most people have no idea of the truth of it all.
other than that, if the religion you or some culture practices sacrifices, then i dont think that they would consider that "dark". they would consider it "worship". the western worlds preconceived notions of "proper" worship does not include sacrifices, and we look down on that, so we would call it "dark". imo tho, ending a life just to appease some god is retarded.
Religion is for the slaves but these are the masters and their practices are dark by a common standard of secretiveness and murderousness. They pretend it is about these fantasy gods and religions, you see, but it is really about blood and its powers and effects. And contrary to popular belief, this is the very heart of modern western culture, religion, and governments. The barbaric rulers whose slaves proclaim the religions they have been commanded to proclaim dont believe the religious propaganda, nor do they believe in unseen gods. But their power and positions are based upon the practice of blood rituals with their mystical-if not maddening--effects which is responsible for their completely inhuman and ruthless states of mind and evil genius, possibly eventhe development of high technologies like nukes and other things which are too much a departure from nature to be wise or sustainable, but are desired for power and short-sighted related goals.
Religion is for the slaves but these are the masters and their practices are dark by a common standard of secretiveness and murderousness. They pretend it is about these fantasy gods and religions, you see, but it is really about blood and its powers and effects.
what about "blood and its powers and effects" is not fantasy? do you believe blood has an ability to empower people through sacrifice? please. these are just crazy old goons who dress funny, perform rituals and say cryptic-sounding shit to get their rocks off that you're talking about, not some mystical warlock-alchemists conjuring dark spirits. they and all their craziness is on its way out, and the sooner you stop eating up their self-glorifying bs the sooner the door will smack them in the ass.
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It's all just a smoke screen to throw us off of what they are really doing...Get people thinking that they are into satanic shit so they can passively manipulate through media and medicated numbness...
I do believe in different forms of energy including life-force. If you truly believe you can put blood on a "talisman" and gain positive power, well not only are you crooked but you do not understand energy transfers. Example, try to meditate and project thoughts of death, murder, and blood-spills, if you do harness any of the energy your looking for, I'd like to hear the end results(my guess these would include depression, anger, hallowness, etc, verses what regular meditation does for a person).
This guy is honestly very arrogant. Probably dissolves his time into conspiracy theory, and ancient rituals.This video was targeted towards the lizard king conspiracy followers(Don't know what that is? Here's a landing place: The Best Conspiracy Theories (Lizard-People Are Running the World!)).
Take a blood bath in human blood. Do it. If you come out a stronger better person, than I will kill myself on spot, and you can harness all the life-force from me that you can. I'd never want to live in any realm of existence were that is law.
The audio isn't poor, he's just got a strange voice.
I send out positive energy for people like this, I really do. I hope they can have their negative energy purified or expelled, and be a beacon for what I believe is greater(Peace, love, and well-being).
An interesting post, but to me it's nothing more than that little gothic kid who tries to scare kids away by drinking his own blood in middle-school and trying to hex people with his newly bought barnes and noble witchcraft book. Some people never open their eyes and try to find the light after feeling wronged in this world(You can only receive that which you have asked for).
Also, if you say this guy is speaking mostly truths("when you look into it"). Show me an unbiased source that proves that the founding father's followed sacrificial/blood rituals? If I'm not mistaken when this country was founded(mostly by PURITANS) being a witch meant the death of you? Or is there some conspiracy fuck-whole theory that disproves the Salem Witch Trials?
Word's of advice:
1. Don't believe everything you read/hear(especially on the internet).
2. Don't practice anything like this if you would like to exist in a positive energy state after life.
3. Negative attention may be more recognized and spoken of, but that isn't a positive thing.
Also my knee-jerk reaction wasn't "I don't want to believe these things" mine was "exit video at 2:00, and pray for those who do believe these things". And by pray I don't mean to god, I mean to the life-force that these people supposedly drink from by expelling another persons blood.
Edit: You've studied this? I hope you do remember that before the goths, vikings, etc, there were sacrifices. Mayan's? You bring no mention to them. .Or is your study biased towards what you are more intrigued by? The first civilazation(we know of) was a series of pyramids that was recently found and there was no evidence of sacrifices so this blood power isn't some natural drive(if you want to watch a documentary on this I can link you to a great one they even mention there was no evidence of sacrifices). The vikings and the goths were not kind and loving people from my understanding, the were very primitive, and I don't see any viking king hanging around so....
Blood has power? Once again show me some unbiased source providing this. Last I heard wine could run a car-battery but blood can't. It appears to me you've only been looking in one direction and you have your mind made up, and for some reason you came to a stoner forum to try to just say "your wrong" which is AKA trolling. Provide for the debate, don't call things true and only put up a you-tube video and acclaim you've studied it. You said you've done a large amount of studying in this area. Enlighten me so I can become more powerful great blood loving master.
If you believe in anything strongly enough, it has power. They just chose the asshole route to obtaining their spiritual power. But the dark side is short sighted and always runs out of resources since it's self serving, while the light side unifies and is powerful through the collective.
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i would even go so far as to say that we should pray for those who truly believe these people gain power through such methods. whether or not they actually do, i feel as though lending credence to the idea gives it life; at least so far as it affects our expectations, and our expectations affect our reality. i believe that extent to be great, but no one can argue that there is no effect at all from such belief. i see this a lot like i see all conspiratorial beliefs. it's not about whether they are "the truth," it's about how you allow that truth paint your world. some people let that painting go way overboard like (imo) the fellow who made this video, and some people just think the government's behind stuff like 9/11. regardless of the belief's apparent verity, the vistas these beliefs can paint when left to work unabated are fraught with disempowerment in all cases, fostering defeatist or, at worst, fatalistic attitudes as the strokes continue on in the dark muck with which they color the world.
the question, as always, is "how are your beliefs working for you?" are you putting them to work for you or for someone else?
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knowledge is power. this is important because it is really going on, probably in your neighborhood, and its better to know than to not. you know all those missing kids you see at the post office or on milk cartons? you know why the world we live in seems so fucked up and it seems like something is highly wrong with those running it? you know why the elite rulers seem not to care about massive death and bloodshed as in wars etc. you know how most people are treated not much better than cattle in modern society and often fall by the wayside with little recourse? well there is some evil barbaric stuff at the root of these things. this is something profound and true. Its about true vampires doing great evil in the world because of what these practices do to their minds and souls.
PL: We can consider the Holocaust a kind of pagan sacrifice, but more importantly .....
google video Hitler's Mandrake Root.
and ted gunderson ex fbi investigating S.atanic R.itual A.buse cover up.
and Larry King (not CNN) and Michael Aquino High Rankign Military connected
to mind control programs, and the Macmartin "SRA" daycare 80's scare.
One of the names that surfaced at the Bonacci trial was that of Michael
Aquino, the 'High Priest' and chief executive of the Temple of Set, an overtly
satanic cult that split off from the Church of Satan in 1975. Besides tending
to those duties, Aquino has also been known to occupy his time serving as
(according to his official biography, circulated by the Temple) a "Lieutenant
Colonel, Military Intelligence, U.S. Army."
Aquino was identified in court, by the mother of a victim, as being a key
player in a nationwide pedophile ring. Paul Bonacci himself has also positively
identified Aquino as an associate of King who was known to Bonacci and the
rest of the children only as 'the Colonel.' King's former personal photographer
has identified Aquino as the man to whom he saw King hand over a suitcase
full of cash and bonds. The photographer, Rusty Nelson, has also said that he
was told by King that Aquino was part of the Contra guns and cocaine
trafficking operation run by George Bush and another notorious Lt. Col.
named Oliver North. Aquino has also been linked to Offutt Air Force Base, a
Strategic Air Command post near Omaha that was implicated in the
investigation by the Franklin Committee (and that was also, strangely
enough, where George W. Bush opted to hide out on the afternoon of
September 11, 2001). Aquino was also claimed to have ordered the abduction
of a Des Moines, Iowa paperboy.
This was certainly not the first time that Aquino had been identified as a key
figure in organized pedophile/child pornography rings. In July 1988, not long
before the King and Spence cases broke, the San Jose Mercury News ran a
lengthy exposé on the Presidio Child Development Center run by the U.S.
Army in San Francisco. Allegations of abuse being perpetrated at the center
first emerged in November 1986. Alarmed by accusations made by her child, a
parent had sought a medical examination that confirmed that her three-year-
old boy had in fact been anally raped. The boy identified his rapist as 'Mr.
Gary,' a teacher at the center named Gary Hambright. Even with this
conclusive medical evidence, however, "it took the Army almost a month to
notify the parents of other children who had been in 'Mr. Gary's' class that
the incident had taken place."
for what its worth, Satan does not exist in paganism.. Satan/Devil is a christian term. Pagan deities hold both the potential for good and evil (depending on your perception)...a mixture. In Christianity, all the evil is wrapped into one form.
i don't buy in to the good and evil definitions. It just "is" As humans, we put the spin on it when we add our judgements.
Energy and power from blood? hmmm.. that's like drinking from a thimble when you have a big ole glass within reach..drama drama drama
for what its worth, Satan does not exist in paganism.. Satan/Devil is a christian term. Pagan deities hold both the potential for good and evil (depending on your perception)...a mixture. In Christianity, all the evil is wrapped into one form.
I'm glad you said that Jenna, I was thinking about it too The only precept I ever learned was 'Do what you will, harm none.'
Do a reading of religions history and it's not too hard to see how Pan became Satan. Sex was bad to the Christians of the time, so this is how the fertility god became satan. Yet a while before that, Yule, Easter and other rites were blended for the converstion of pagans.
Religious Spin and Proff. you're buying it.
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I don't practice, but there are some who practice ritual sacrifice in order to recieve protection.
I would google Mark Kilroy Spring Break Voodoo Drug Trafficers.
They had several victims,
and the "cult" is big in Mexico.
"La Santa Muerte"
Yes I know Lucifer is not Satan, but Adonay is infact the evil deity.
Lucifer is the light bearer and brings wisdom and knowledge
the god of the Jews bring judgement and torment.
People are crazy and do practice.
I know better,
that doesn't mean it doesn't exist like cannibalism and all sorts of Magick like TransYuggothian Sex Magick
That shit ain't no bed time story to scare the kids.
It's real and they warn children and teenagers in mexico to be aware of these groups.
This Saint is frequently dressed as a grim reaper with a scythe and scales (the scales may be reminiscent of St. Michael). She may also be dressed in a
long, white satin gown with a golden crown (Muerte, and its related Romance words, has a feminine gender). In this form, many devotees view her as a
variation of the Virgin Mary.
Grim Reaper statues are made in red, white, green and black – for love, luck, financial success and protection. Offerings to Santa Muerte include roses,
marijuana, cigarettes, fruit, candy and tequila. Public shrines to Saint Death are adorned with red roses, cigars,fruit and bottles of tequila, and Santa
Muerte candles burn in her honor. Throughout Mexico, and in parts of the United States (especially in Mexican immigrant communities), Santa Muerte prayer
cards, polichinels, medals, and candles are made and sold to the public.
Santa Muerte's roots may lie in the beliefs of the Aztecs, who worshiped a god of death by the name of Mictlantecuhtli, along with his wife, Mictecacihuatl.
Similar to other cultures around the world, pre-Christian deities in Mexico are sometimes syncretized as pseudo-saints. On the other hand, in Spanish she is
typically referred to as "la Santa Muerte," strictly speaking meaning "the holy death" rather than "Saint Death," which would correspond to "Santa Muerte,"
with no preceding article. Thus Santa Muerte may simply represent a reinterpretation by folk religion of the traditional and orthodox Roman Catholic practice
of prayer to receive a blessed death in a state of grace.[2]
Her prayers, orations, and novenas contain the Trinity and worship of Yahweh. While some view Santa Muerte as a figure of black magic, others view her as
a saint. Santa Muerte is revered by the Iglesia Católica Tradicionalista mexicana-estadounidense (Spanish for "Traditionalist Mexican-American Catholic
Church"), a church unrelated to the Roman Catholic church.
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Yes there are several good witches but there are also who pervert "the craft"
Just recently 6/24 an off duty border patorl agent came down to the valley,
and was assaulted by a gang later tracked down to their home
where there was a shrine of La Santa Muerte.
MISSION - An off-duty Border Patrol agent was shot at while traveling with his child.
The agent, who's from Arizona and on vacation, told officers he was followed
from Brooks County to Mission.
At one point, the other drivers boxed him in. That's when someone tapped a
pistol on his car window and fired a round into the agent's car. His child
watched from the backseat.
No one was hurt in the shooting.
Investigators are still trying to find out if the agent was targeted.
They did tell us the suspects in the shooting may be connected with a raid at a McAllen home.
Mission officers and Border Patrol SWAT teams raided the home near 26th and Lindberg streets.
NEWSCHANNEL 5 learned officers are now questioning some people of interest.
Investigators are also searching the McAllen home for evidence.
"The only thing unique in the residence thus far is a Santa Muerte shrine,"
says Mission Police Department spokesperson Jody Tittle.
The shrines can be seen clearly inside the garage.
NEWSCHANNEL 5 is working to get the very latest details in the case. We'll bring them to you as soon as they're available.
If ritual magic, in any form, were real, then there would be but 1 religion. The one with the strongest magic.
If there was power in blood, then our serial killers would be free, not locked up behind bars. Anyone who had to have blood transfusions regularly, would rule the world. A surgeon, anyone in combat, yada, yada, yada.
I find that most people who believe in ritual magic are people who actually just want power over others.
My lame example:
Some friends are into a certain religion that uses ritual magic. They did a spell for a fellow member who needed a job. My thoughts were, if she wants a job, go out and look for one. What about the more qualified person? Maybe they deserve the job. She didn't get the job.
Don't confuse this with spirituality. Spirituality comes from within the person.
If ritual magic, in any form, were real, then there would be but 1 religion. The one with the strongest magic.
All organized religions are connected to one elite.
If there was power in blood, then our serial killers would be free, not locked up behind bars. Anyone who had to have blood transfusions regularly, would rule the world. A surgeon, anyone in combat, yada, yada, yada.
The biggest serial killers are free and in positions of power.
I find that most people who believe in ritual magic are people who actually just want power over others.
true
My lame example:
Some friends are into a certain religion that uses ritual magic. They did a spell for a fellow member who needed a job. My thoughts were, if she wants a job, go out and look for one. What about the more qualified person? Maybe they deserve the job. She didn't get the job.
did they do a sacrifice?
Don't confuse this with spirituality. Spirituality comes from within the person.
Yes, but many of the same qualities and abilities developed through spirituality--astral, psychic-- can come through these practices. It is a kind of bizzaro spirituality though, which obviously ends in darkness and downfall, karmically. Despite what is gained, they lose their good selves.
Blood Sacrifice & The Dark Side of Spirituality
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The only precept I ever learned was 'Do what you will, harm none.'
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