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Old 11-02-2009, 08:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Bible and Cannabis

BibleGuy and I were PM-img about the possibility of cannabis use in the Bible. He referred me to a wikipedia reference that was pretty interesting and opened up a good area of discussion that I wanted to invite you all in on. The link to the reference is

Religious and spiritual use of cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia scroll down to the Ancient Hebraic use

Generally, I have done to much serious Biblical research to take Wiki as a serious source. Sorry to all of you Wiki lovers out there. It's great for a quick-and-dirty info check. And don't get me wrong, it does have some interesting material, like the stuff I mention here, but much of the information lacks research veracity IMHO.

Anyway, the reference to marijuana and religious use I think was really interesting.

It first cites Aryeh Kaplan, a Jewish scholar in the 1980's, postulating data to support cannabis as at least part of the holy anointing oil and this oil as an ingredient in holy incense used in tabernacle/temple worship. I am adding a bit here. You can follow the link to his page and get more. Main point - this scholar gives evidence that cannabis was the plant called kaneh-bosem in the ancient Hebrew Biblical Old Testament manuscripts.

More interestingly, the wiki reference goes on to mention Sula Benet who seems to imply something else at least possible and fascinating. She suggests that the Septuagint (this was the Old Testament translated into Greek - done around 500 to 300 before Christ) mistranslated the Hebrew word kaneh-bosem (either in error or not) to calamus in Greek (also a smelly herb in that part of the world, but an entirely different plant). This mistranslation from potentially "cannabis" (it might be cannabis, Kaplan thinks so) to "calamus" continued on in future Greek translations and future translations of the Old Testament from the Greek (our King James English translation used this as a secondary source).

Most fascinating to me is Benet seems to suggest that these Hebrew editors then went back and edited older Hebrew texts of the Old Testament to reflect this change![/U] They changed the original writing from kaneh-bosem to calamus. Keep in mind, our modern translations (English for most of those reading this) come from these ancient Hebrew manuscripts so if the change were made it would be reflected in our Bible today.

Summarizing, our current Biblical Old Testament (English translations or others) are based primarily upon the Hebrew manuscripts existent at the time of the translation. Benet's work suggests the original unedited writing of the Old Testament mentions sacred use of the plant kaneh-bosem in anointing oils and possibly incense. Kaplan's work suggests this plant is cannabis.

If true - and I doubt it - this would be astounding!
 
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks for starting this thread MannyBoy. This subject is very worthy of study and clear understanding.
"Most fascinating to me is Benet seems to suggest that these Hebrew editors then went back and edited older Hebrew texts of the Old Testament to reflect this change!" -- MannyBoy
Yes, I find that fascinating as well! As far as I've been able to tell, the "calamus" translation was applied because, at least by definition, they didn't know specifically what qaneh bosem was (or perhaps did but chose to hide it). Originally, "Calamus" is neither a Hebrew, Greek or English word, but is Latin, from Greek Kalamos,meaning a reed (the plant or its stem, or that of a similar plant). Per Strong's, Kalamos is a word of uncertain affinity, translated as "reed" and "pen" in the New Testament (KJV).

So English Calamus is from Latin Calamus which is from Greek Kalamos, is a reed of some sort, but specifically unidentified. This understanding, or presumption, of a non-specific "balmy reed" was applied to Hebrew qaneh bosem in the Old Testament, thus we have the "Calamus" translation. (this is my personal hypothesis regarding how/why "calamus" was applied)

Interesting articles:

Etymology of Kalamos
Etymology of Cannabis
Cannabis at entheology.org.

The strong objection by those who find the concept of a psychoactive/intoxicating plant being used by God's people unthinkable is also curious. Even if we accept "Calamus" (Acorus calamus or "Sweet Flag"), it too is a psychoactive/visionary plant that has history as an entheogen.

Calamus at MAYA Enthbotanicals (no citations)
Calamus at amazing-nature.com (with citations)
Calamus at drugsafetysite.com (one commenter there thinks "calamus" is the correct biblical translation).
Calamus at shamansgarden.com
Calamus at entheology.org

Does anyone have copies or links to reprints of either of these articles?
  • Sula Benet, Early Diffusions and Folk Uses of Hemp. (Reprinted in Cannabis and Culture, Vera Rubin, Ed. The Hague: Moutan, 1975.)
  • Sara Benetowa (Sula Benet), Tracing One Word Through Different Languages. (1936). (Reprinted in The Book of Grass, 1967.)

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Old 11-11-2009, 12:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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What'cha been finding Manny? Anything new/more?

Anyone else want to chime in here? Does anyone care or is it unimportant to you?

I'm gonna try a poll...
 
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I enjoy what you have to contribute BG. I don't have a lot to add specifically but always enjoy hearing your interests. We're all geek about something And we love geeks around here fo sho.
 
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:15 PM   #5 (permalink)
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so what does the bible say about cannabis?
 
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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i got 20 theoretical dollars right here that says mannyboy and bibleguy are the same person.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:27 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I would caution against taking Wikipedia as an authoritative source. Seriously. Use it as a jumping-off point, but do your own research as well. Interlibrary loan might help. Let me see what my school's library turns up-we're a Research I university, so our libraries are kickass.

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Old 11-12-2009, 10:44 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Looking at the references are the trail head. Wiki, is like that big map that isn't always to scale with the trail itself.
 
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Old 11-12-2009, 02:04 PM   #9 (permalink)
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goalie: Nope, different guy.

hippie and Sage: I agree - Wikipedia is a launch point. But one thing that I really like about it is that its easy to share links to Wikipedia and/or other web sources. I suspect that very few will immediately run to the library or bookstore to verify things, but that many will click on a link for a peek at something, and that peek might inspire them to look further on their own. It often does with me anyway.

On the lighter side... According to this online encyclopedia, marijuana is dangerous and...
  • may cause pregnancy in women who have recently been sexually active
  • functions as a "gateway drug". Frequent and even casual users may become fascinated with gates, and as their dependency deepens, they may move on to more elaborate kinds of entries, including arches, turnstiles, and even portcullises.
 
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Old 11-12-2009, 03:25 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Jesus was obviously a pothead.
 
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Old 11-12-2009, 03:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 11-13-2009, 06:43 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'd be much happier with knowledge of use of cannabis in "The Hobbit", or other entertaining and believable fiction.
 
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by mookie View Post
I'd be much happier with knowledge of use of cannabis in "The Hobbit", or other entertaining and believable fiction.
What did you think "Old Toby" was?

Oh, wait... Sorry. That might not be in The Hobbit - I don't remember. But it is in LOTR.

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Old 11-15-2009, 12:02 PM   #14 (permalink)
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got a couple of refs off a christian disscussion site...
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And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more. -- Ezekiel 34:29
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"The Lord said unto me, 'I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs.' " -- Isaiah 18:4-5
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Old 11-15-2009, 12:16 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'd be much happier with knowledge of use of cannabis in "The Hobbit", or other entertaining and believable fiction.
a friend and i had a plan growing up to do the hobbit and eventually lord of the rings in graphic novel style sprinkled with obvious drug use

neither of us could draw very well
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Interesting thread.
 
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Old 11-15-2009, 05:03 PM   #17 (permalink)
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what is still real about the bible? i wouldn't doubt it if it really was mistranslated from cannabis
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:52 AM   #18 (permalink)
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got a couple of refs off a christian disscussion site... ...
Excellent references Gben. Have you done, or found, any analysis regarding meaning?
 
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:31 PM   #19 (permalink)
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THE GREAT KENEH BOSEM DEBATE - Cannabis Culture Forums

this post might be intresting
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:02 PM   #20 (permalink)
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lol

which version ?
 
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