the anti religion thread.

[oo zero420]

most religious people out there, (and yes, I am making a generalization) are assholes who dont know what the hell they are talking about, and are only nice to you cause "god" threatened them with hell if they arnt. Ide like to use this thread to tell those people to fuck off.

[deadhead94]

Ok Fuck Off Religious People!

that hurts man

[snapshot]

If I were into making generalizations 100% of the time I'd be 100% behind you.

You think people would like religion more...

its only that, that keeps me from beating the shit out of people like you zero....

oh and just shooting people...

honestly im a horrible person, you all better be damn thankful I have my faith and beliefs....

id of probably been across the country killing kids and thier teenage moms 5 times by now...

one in every state atleast...and id keep one of thier teeth and put it on a necklace, but id take it out while the were still alive...probably with an ice skate...

but see I have my faith and beliefs so I cant just go around doing that sort of thing...

can I?

[snake_grass]

sure why not.


im talking out of my ass again

[peon1313]

most religious people out there, (and yes, I am making a generalization) are assholes who dont know what the hell they are talking about, and are only nice to you cause "god" threatened them with hell if they arnt. Ide like to use this thread to tell those people to fuck off.

I think, as inflamatory as this post is, there are some valid points to it. If you read what Zero has said closely, you read that in his (or her) experience MOST religious people are judgemental (assholes) and ignorant. Even though as many of you may know from my previous posts, I uphold the idea of religion normally, here I'd have to agree because unfortunately the idea and the reality of religion are often polar opposites. Religion divorced from Spirituality does tend to be a breeding ground for false piety and ignorance. Most "religious" folk really do have no idea what their religion is really about and what it means to truly be religious. Most simply go through the motions of their chosen, or more often inherited faith. The masses do not go beyond the "insert the religion of your choice here-for dummies" version of their religion. It's a shame. It's also my experience that when you tell these people to "fuck off", it fuels their "religious" zealotry and need to feel persecuted. Hence, you get the knee-jerk reactionary reply of 'i'd beat the shit outta you if i could' or 'fear my God cuz he'll beat the shit outta you for me." Sometimes its better to heap burning coals of kindness on their head instead, thus giving them a direct experience of what it means to be truly holy.

there's no need for anyone here to fuck off. This is Spiritual Smoke. All are welcome regardless of creed, race, religion or lack thereof. Remember, our spiritually younger brothers and sisters are watching us. Hate begets hate.

jc

[BionicLungSmoker]

Cant say im too fond of religous folk either. organized religon is bullshit and will alaways be brainwashing on the other had spirituality iswhat we should be learning

[snapshot]

How do you teach sprituality.

[funky_unkle]

peon and zero,
I think it's pretty arrogant to say that most of the people who follow or believe in a religion don't know what they're talking about or indeed what their religion is all about. To say that, you'd have to really know what their beliefs are and what it's like.
Everybody is religious, it's our nature to wonder about the big plan of things.

[peon1313]

I think it's pretty arrogant to say that most of the people who follow or believe in a religion don't know what they're talking about or indeed what their religion is all about. To say that, you'd have to really know what their beliefs are and what it's like.

Arrogant? Perhaps you're right. But it has been my experience nonetheless. I mean, think about it logically. The world offers a plethora of beautiful, life-affirming spiritual paths. But after thousands and thousands of years, only a few have reallly dug deep enough to LIVE these paths. Before any more charges of arrogance, I don't necessarily claim to be one of those that have. But if the masses truly understood what it is they're worshiping and what it means to be truly religious, this world would be a far different place. It is the mindset of religious mediocrity that plagues mankind through the ages and keeps us all down. It allows people to convince themselves that they know "just enough to get by." But, as I'm sure you know, true religion is not about doing "just enough to get by." Its about going above and beyond just enough. This is one of the perennial messages of religion...to rise above our more bestial nature and embrace the divinity of the inner man. Likewise embracing the divinity of the inner man in others. If most people that followed a religion truly followed that religion, this world would be a better place...in fact, we probably wouldn't even be have this discussion now.

I encourage you to re-read my post, Holo. Far from being a denunciation of religious folk, it acts more as a observation and challege to growth. It also attempts to make a peace of sorts from the overall anger of the original post. I don't believe that original post was meant as a 'fuck you' to true seekers, but to those who misunderstand and/or pervert their path and bear the fruits of anger, judgement and fear mongering. To deny that these people exist is laughable. They've brought us the wonderous worlds of crusades, holy wars, tortures and burnings. Imagine Jesus or Buddha burning people who disagree with them. Impossible. No its those that use religious language to justify their animal behaviour. I believe the Christian way refers to them as "anti-christ." Take a look at your signature about the officer and the Christian. This person showed true religion. Indeed, that is a rare response to have to one's killer. Most, I dare say, would not show that kind of dignity before being murdered. But that hypothetical Christian was an athlete, so to speak, for God.

As far as everyone being religious...sure all humans are religious. But the question is what are they religious about? Most are religious about money, greed, themselves, violence and hatred or lust, though outwardly they pay lipservice to God or whatever power they claim to worship.

All humans have the capacity to be truly religious or spiritual. But i'd stop short of saying they all already are. It takes two to tango.

Again, if my post has the appearance of arrogance, i apologize. However, I think a re-reading may yield another response.

all apologies,
jc

I hate how your so much better at defending your beliefs than me...

[peon1313]

I hate how your so much better at defending your beliefs than me...

GHM, if sarcasm is an artistic medium, you're a modern master.

[peon1313]

For the sake of peace, I’d like to point out that I agree with you AND Zero, GHM. I’ll set up a ‘parallel’ reading of our points and show how I agree using only the posts so far posted.



Point 1

GHM says:
You think people would like religion more...

Peon says:
“…I uphold the idea of religion normally…” and later, “The world offers a plethora of beautiful, life-affirming spiritual paths.” And, “…true religion is not about doing ‘just enough to get by.’ Its about going above and beyond ‘just enough.’ This is one of the perennial messages of religion…

So, we both agree that you’d think people would like religion more…true religion that is. It is a beautiful and wonderful thing.

Point 2

GHM says:
its only that, that keeps me from beating the shit out of people like you zero....
oh and just shooting people...
honestly im a horrible person, you all better be damn thankful I have my faith and beliefs....
id of probably been across the country killing kids and thier teenage moms 5 times by now...
one in every state atleast...and id keep one of thier teeth and put it on a necklace, but id take it out while the were still alive...probably with an ice skate...
but see I have my faith and beliefs so I cant just go around doing that sort of thing...

Peon says:
“...to rise above our more bestial nature and embrace the divinity of the inner man. Likewise embracing the divinity of the inner man in others. If most people that followed a religion truly followed that religion, this world would be a better place.” "...those that use religious language to justify their animal behaviour... They've brought us the wonderous worlds of crusades, holy wars, tortures and burnings. Imagine Jesus or Buddha burning people who disagree with them. Impossible."

See? We all agree that the point of spirituality is to NOT act like animals and monsters. Zero seems to be targeting those that use religion TO act like animals and dickheads whether intentionally or through ignorance. In that I agree with him, though not in the same way (and it seems like you do too!). I stop short of telling them to fuck off. Maybe we could all just talk it out. Like this!

PEACE, Guys, PEACE!


jc

Well I sure as hell wasnt going to start an argument over it...

But im glad you cleard it all up...

[SweetSativa]

Where were you people on my "Fuck You" thread (Writer's Joint)? Sometimes a bit of an inflammatory statement is a good thing. It's honest and heartfelt...

So damn frustrating to exist in a world that seems to be extremely different from what your heart holds true... so damn judgemental and pretentious. Bullshit is what it is.


Conform, conform, conform.... All hail the great potato.

how do we know animals aren't spiritual?

[peon1313]

hmmm...interesting question runoutofbong. Maybe start up a thread about it as not to highjack Zero's fuck you thread. haha.

In short, it might be a matter of semantics but it'd make an interesting discussion. I think it would call into question what makes up an animal. flesh, mind(?), soul(?) spirit(?) and does it differ from species to species? If you start up a thread we can get into it more, but i use the term animal, and bestial when talking about humankind to denote the lower nature run exclusively by impulse, instinct and blind reaction.

jc

no...I'll guard my own posts....

you mentioned it





and in the context of the original


fuck


I might get to your second paragraph

but I don't want to whore the thread

[oo zero420]

Originally posted by GirlsHateMe
You think people would like religion more...

its only that, that keeps me from beating the shit out of people like you zero....

no, the fact that your a pussy keeps you from beating the shit out of people like me.