Why does It Exist?

Ego Tripping · 01-11-2005, 08:50 PM

Because it does.

This is the only conclusion I can find for everything, ever. Anything else is false. Discuss.

SmokeSomeDoja · 01-11-2005, 08:50 PM

i dont know about anything else is false...

Ego Tripping · 01-11-2005, 08:55 PM

If it didn't exist, it wouldn't be here thus if it exists, it's because it does. Can something exist if it doesn't? Can you un-think yourself from existance?

I Think Not, Therefore I Am Not?

SmokeSomeDoja · 01-11-2005, 08:56 PM

i sure someone on this earth has another "right" answer, someone far smarter and more intune with one's consciousness than either of us.

Ego Tripping · 01-11-2005, 09:04 PM

I was just demonstrating the idea, not trying to sound right or wrong. It can't be a case of right or wrong. If it just Is, it's equal.

snapshot · 01-11-2005, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

If it didn't exist, it wouldn't be here thus if it exists, it's because it does. Can something exist if it doesn't? Can you un-think yourself from existance?

I Think Not, Therefore I Am Not?

So it exists to exist. No purpose. The lack of purpose is purpose. The logic is circular. Circular logic gets us nowhere. So we break the cycle. Make It exist for something.

Ego Tripping · 01-11-2005, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by snapshot182

So it exists to exist. No purpose. The lack of purpose is purpose. The logic is circular. Circular logic gets us nowhere. So we break the cycle. Make It exist for something.

Lack of purpose? I find that the most fulfilling purpose possible! There's no limitation.

To exist to exist?

To live to live?

The logic is circular but endless in it's complexities and patterns. Circular isn't redundant imo, it's eternal. It never repeats the exact same way (same patterns but more complex maybe) and thus never really 'ends.' Just creates larger circles that creater larger circles.

Think of it as action:reaction. Action only exists because the potential REaction and Reaction only exists because of the Action itself. Mutual dependency and circular logic, but a myriad of complexities that is truly endless.

The 'Fibonacci series'...

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, ... to infinity-->

There was 0 (action) then 1 (reaction) and everything else now is subsequent events. And it can only increase in complexity. Yet, even though it appears too complex to have pattern, it was still based off a very simple "law" and thus patterns should be everywhere.

Governor · 01-11-2005, 10:03 PM

"It" doesn't exist. The "Is" is (not to be confused with the 'is' that was or the 'is' that will be).

"And the Is ain't no swamp cookie." Richard Bach

snapshot · 01-11-2005, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Lack of purpose? I find that the most fulfilling purpose possible! There's no limitation.

To exist to exist?

To live to live?

The logic is circular but endless in it's complexities and patterns. Circular isn't redundant imo, it's eternal. It never repeats the exact same way (same patterns but more complex maybe) and thus never really 'ends.' Just creates larger circles that creater larger circles.

Think of it as action:reaction. Action only exists because the potential REaction and Reaction only exists because of the Action itself. Mutual dependency and circular logic, but a myriad of complexities that is truly endless.

The 'Fibonacci series'...

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, ... to infinity-->

There was 0 (action) then 1 (reaction) and everything else now is subsequent events. And it can only increase in complexity. Yet, even though it appears too complex to have pattern, it was still based off a very simple "law" and thus patterns should be everywhere.

I don't feel that evolution can exist if we are unaware that it can't move beyond this point without the choice. I don't feel that those that don't put effort into living would evolve as quickly as someone who was already investigating his existance.

I've been looking for a long time to figure out the secrets to evolving into a better society. I believe times are changing faster than our society can comprehend. Eventually is comes down to individuals working together because the group's self-interests just happens to be that of the individual's.
For a society to become better the people have to make an effort.

I was pondering questions on my existance last night. I remembered that I don't know what I want my life to be. I can't set goals otherwise I'd just be waiting for life to happen to me. But I know I need a job to survive. Everyone can have their purpose in society, and the more schooling one receives, the more options for life paths one has. So I go to school.

I had to make a big change in myself to do all my work and turn everything in and get the best grades I could. Really make an effort. The effort is change. If I was myself all the time everything in my capabilities would be precise but I wouldn't be leaving myself open to these new ideas. I've decided it's not where I find myself when I actually do begin to feel as though I am really coming to grips with who I am, it's the speed at which I'm able to develop that is going be who I am.

I don't know if there's always been two types of people, one wanting stability the other wanting uncertainty, or if this is something new that no one's ever heard of. I realized I'm never going to be truely happy if I don't make the decision to be in a constant state of change. Something that requires effort constantly, not 'do work now, reep the rewards later.' It's not a cop out. It's a full time-individuality.

I wouldn't like to think that this is taxing my brain too much to where it would be unwise to try and progress beyond my rate of change. I don't think it's very possible that one could support themselves in a spiral staircase (of sort) of evolution. I believe people do get stuck because they are afraid. They don't climb the spiral staircase, they just live life in circles, cycles. Full of fear that if they tried anymore to be the most they could be, they could lose everything in the process.

People who are resistant to change are scared of the process. The process is made to look scary. Most movies you watch take a whole 2 hours just for that one change the protagonist must make to be able to create the feeling the audience needs for closure to their movie going experience. They feel like something happened. That watching pictures on a screen influenced their life.

I feel, for society to exist with me inside it, and for me to be truely happy at the same time, change is that which should matter most.

Ego Tripping · 01-11-2005, 11:51 PM

I see it as a spiral, not a circle. A circle constantly changes but keeps treading old ground. A Spiral constantly changes but is always covering new ground and progressing. Maybe this is the difference.

Those who do not want change but can't help but change (a circle, always changing but never growing) and those who welcome change and also, can't help but change (a spiral, always changing and always growing).

Ego Tripping · 01-11-2005, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Governor

"It" doesn't exist. The "Is" is (not to be confused with the 'is' that was or the 'is' that will be).

"And the Is ain't no swamp cookie." Richard Bach

Mmm...good point.

snapshot · 01-12-2005, 12:33 AM

Well I guess it's alright if everyone changes, even when they don't want to, without even knowing it's the right thing to do. Sometimes the best way to do things is to go with the flow. The flow's never going to stop. The flow is like the circle. The wheel of Karma. People who try to stop the wheel of karma are putting in lots of bad energy. People like dictators who try to alter our mindset and try to change the way we think. But those who spin the wheel faster, such as MLK, Tim Leary, Jenna Jameson (yes, her too) accelerate the times in which we live. They are not ordinary people who go with the flow. They are the flow. Responsible for awesome amounts of positive energy that resonates throughout the world. The energy is.

We 'is'. We flow. We are. Constantly changing whether aware of it or not. And I do agree with governor. We certainly ain't 'it', but I do think we may be in time. Or out of time, depending on how you look at it.

Ego Tripping · 01-12-2005, 12:38 AM

I decided to re-phrase the question.

"Why? Because."

snapshot · 01-12-2005, 12:43 AM

Not getting the answers you're looking for is the problem...(?)

Pitfall · 01-12-2005, 01:46 AM

the universal question should be WHAT, not WHY. how about that? i think dying is the only way anybody is going to have the "why does IT exist?" question answered. if we don't find out the answers to some of the major universal questions in the afterlife, maybe the universal questions aren't important. like inevitably they would pop up, but they're irrelevant. just remember to NOT think about this stuff sometimes. the only reason i can come up with to why life exists is so our minds, bodies and souls can orgasm from time to time. there's no evidence that the universe ever STARTED or will END. if you look at this world as eternal, then you'll find more answers to these big questions.