Religious Tolerance

Hi Ron... well, the quote that you referred to was not mine. Maybe I was just blowin' off steam in this thread... I dunno. I was thinking about this as I was driving down the highway a while ago and I thought... you know... too bad I can't openly express my spirituality... have to worry about not wearing my pentagram in the public (really small towns here and they would be all 'concerned'... more than already... hehe... may even organize an intervention... rotflmao )... and then I came to the realization as I glanced out across the rocky hills and the beautiful land-scape... I CAN express my spirituality and people WILL feel it... I just don't have to openly lable it... and wont (except to those who I trust). I thought... there are alot of really great hearts and great people around here... some are very mislead and some are just outright hateful and don't realize it but why should I let that bother me? Kinda distracting from my path, actually.

However, this is what I am referring to (and NOS, this is the only problem or conflict that I have with your post)... it shouldn't HAVE to be done in private... as long as you are not impeding on anyone else's rights. I feel unsafe practicing publicly. Many of the things that I believe in are not at ALL accepted by the public and would look very strange to them and I may even be labled (officially...hehe) as completely crazy and perhaps not even fit to care for my children so it is a very deep fear. But I guess that these things are not particularly new... and perhaps there is a reason for discretion and secrecy...

well, i think your right mostly, the thing is with me and NOS, for example, there's an agression that is completely, natural..not speaking for him right now, just that there are certain elements of being that are predatory, and i think there is strong evidence that this is much of how things work with what we call "nature", not all of it but sometimes this world, or certain places within it, do not accomodate these "traits" as they may have at other times...i guess mainly in the past, and the way things are heading i'd venture to say in the future

but NOS and i part ways on two levels, his disdain for anything remotely not rational or extra sensitive to public testamonial is strange to me, now i understand defending your beliefs, but he diesnt understand that with funky uncle, for instance, it is not really disputable, that this IS for him, and he believes it would be the same for others, all others...i dont see where hearing that, or those who believe that are any threat to our selves, simply by speaking, or public displays...


SANcHEZ just posted something I needede to see, made it big so as not to forget

other then that i try to regulate, and it takes quite a conscious effort, on my part...and fail at times, well many times really

http://www.yahooka.com/forum/showpos...6&postcount=24

that post in that thread was pure B.S and ego, it meant nothing, was needless & mean..only a natural born asshole would not realize that BEFORE he posted


now i can honestly say i got no idea what I AM

but it sure has something to do with animals, forrests planets and heavens
and growing seasons

and women

perhaps there is a reason for discretion and secrecy...

maybe, but there is NO reason for persecution

didnt you post something regarding religous freedom before only there was some involvement of politics

i'm questioning honestly about that, and i had totally forgot about it till now

[SweetSativa]

maybe, but there is NO reason for persecution

Exactly... BUT... then I get caught in a cycle by trying to adhere to that. To defend those who are persecuted (even by social means) against.... but when defending those, I am accused (and have to give objective consideration to) persecuting those who were first 'guilty' of the persecution. Does this make sense to you? I try not to be a hypocrite... my anger takes over at times... I can be quite the spirited little thing I actually DO agree with NOS (well, to a certain extent anyway) but the way that he speaks reminds me of my own hypocritical nature and the cycle that I find myself in. He says that it is important to treat others as you would like to be treated so I'm wondering if he would like to be called delusional ... and the 'praying to your ceiling fan' thing.... just berates people... puts them down as being less intelligent, less enlightened... all the things that he doesn't want to happen to him. NOS, I do respect your views and believe very similarly to you (in some ways... I get tired of the persecution of the majority religion) but I hope that I don't treat others beliefs the way that I feel that they treat me.... this is how 'holy wars' break out.

[Governor]

Practice your religion in a closet and wash your hands after.

[atantricchic]

Exactly... BUT... then I get caught in a cycle by trying to adhere to that. To defend those who are persecuted (even by social means) against.... but when defending those, I am accused (and have to give objective consideration to) persecuting those who were first 'guilty' of the persecution. Does this make sense to you? I try not to be a hypocrite... my anger takes over at times... I can be quite the spirited little thing I actually DO agree with NOS (well, to a certain extent anyway) but the way that he speaks reminds me of my own hypocritical nature and the cycle that I find myself in. He says that it is important to treat others as you would like to be treated so I'm wondering if he would like to be called delusional ... and the 'praying to your ceiling fan' thing.... just berates people... puts them down as being less intelligent, less enlightened... all the things that he doesn't want to happen to him. NOS, I do respect your views and believe very similarly to you (in some ways... I get tired of the persecution of the majority religion) but I hope that I don't treat others beliefs the way that I feel that they treat me.... this is how 'holy wars' break out.

I understand.

One thing I've learned about life is that wherever the majority is going... I wanna head opposite.

When I don't know where I'm going, I head away from the crowd. You can almost bet on a consensus being corrupt.

Because you have spirituality as a strong determinatant in your life, I would personally just be led by that.. exclusively.

[North_of_Sanity]

NOS,
I'm just playing with ideas and words. When you feel someone is pushing their morals on you and telling you how to live, you think they're doing something morally wrong, arent' you? You'd like them to follow another moral code, namely yours. See?

No! I just want them to mind their fucking business. I'm not dictating how they should think.

I don't like being told that I am delusional, my brother.

If you believe Jesus of Nazareth was the one born son of the earth's creator, and this creator is judging your every move deciding whether to banish you into a pit of fire or not; Then you are delusional.

But, if you want to believe it, good for you. I'm not telling you not to.

[Real Corona]

How about those religions that encourage you to cut off a piece of your child's dick. Some bite it off. The child's blood in thier mouths. And flesh of the child's penis in their teeth!

That is obvious and undisputable child abuse when looked at practically.

But in the context of religion, it is considered a loving event.

Think outside the box.

You are trying to compare circumsision with African genocide?

[Canuck Wisdom]

There arn't any lines to draw, thats an abstract concept which only binds you if you believe it does.

[BionicLungSmoker]

I respect no religon. I think it is the root to all evil. being spiritual and having faith in something is fine when you lay guidelines and rules to follow it becomes somethnig else.

[North_of_Sanity]

Yeah...like how the 'War on Drugs' is...."God's will"

...but manufactured, taxed drugs?....not so evil!

[snapshot]

It's been scientifically noted that praying to your ceiling fan is more beneficial than not praying to your ceiling fan in many ways.

[Canuck Wisdom]

It's been scientifically noted that praying to your ceiling fan is more beneficial than not praying to your ceiling fan in many ways.

true.

[funky_unkle]

If you believe Jesus of Nazareth was the one born son of the earth's creator, and this creator is judging your every move deciding whether to banish you into a pit of fire or not; Then you are

OK, but that's not what I believe.

[atantricchic]

You are trying to compare circumsision with African genocide?

You can't call a religious ceremony genocide when it conviently backs your point.

By defination of this subject matter you must state ONE intent and stick to it. Or the whole point becomes null.

Let's take it back... did these Africans commit these acts in the context of a religious ceremony? Or a POLITICAL genicidal orchestration?

War or God?

Let's not flip flop... it's awful Bush.

He calls Islam evil right before an oil harvest...

[North_of_Sanity]

It's been scientifically noted that praying to your ceiling fan is more beneficial than not praying to your ceiling fan in many ways.

Then, go ahead and do it. I never said it's wrong.

If you think it's good for something, then great.

[Real Corona]

You can't call a religious ceremony genocide when it conviently backs your point.

By defination of this subject matter you must state ONE intent and stick to it. Or the whole point becomes null.

Let's take it back... did these Africans commit these acts in the context of a religious ceremony? Or a POLITICAL genicidal orchestration?

War or God?

Let's not flip flop... it's awful Bush.

He calls Islam evil right before an oil harvest...

Bush has never said Islam is evil.


My point was that you have to view every act as different, we can't tolerate everything just because we are open minded. When you have groups of people running through the forest eating people because they believe it makes them invicible, you cannot except that.


I don't really understand what you are saying anyway.

[North_of_Sanity]

Bush has never said Islam is evil.

No shit! It's just dogma by people that really don't get the concept of bogus 'jihadi' indoctrination plaguing that part of the world. They see it on TV and automatically think that's how all Arabs think, and therefore jump to this conclusion that the 'War on Terrorism' is a Muslim genocide.

Oh well, if they don't know anything about Osama bin Laden being banned from the Saudi royal kingdom and starting a 'jihadi' army made to overthrow Israel and terrorize American allies, then how can you explain it to them?

I've tried, but if they don't know anything about it, they just deny it all.

[v3d4]

I've tried, but if they don't know anything about it, they just deny it all.

ive run into that same problem trying to explain "religious" or "spiritual" concepts to people who ask questions but then cant/wont accept any kind of answer i give them.
ive noticed that happens with science and logical concepts too.

thats how it is tho, i do my best to feed the baby wholesome nutritious food, but all she wants is chocolate milk and fruit loops

[Real Corona]

Start mixing chocolate milk and normal milk.


First start with 3/4s chocolate. Going down lower and lower.



That's what my mom did. Now I only drink the white stuff.

[North_of_Sanity]

ive run into that same problem trying to explain "religious" or "spiritual" concepts to people who ask questions but then cant/wont accept any kind of answer i give them.
ive noticed that happens with science and logical concepts too.

thats how it is tho, i do my best to feed the baby wholesome nutritious food, but all she wants is chocolate milk and fruit loops

Well, there's the question of how religion can enlighten people.

Then there's the question of whether any of it's actually true.


Anyway, the "ideology of hate" Bush refers to isn't Islam itself. It's the freaks like Bin Laden that use misinterpretations of Islam to instill feelings of hate among Muslims.

It's like an equivelant of the KKK, or the Nazis. They teach people to take political ideals and turn them into hate against innocent civilians based on race.

Bush never told anyone to frown upon Arabs. He just wanted people to understand there are a pocket of religious zealots they need to destroy.

I hate when people blab on about this "Muslim genocide" bullshit. That's what the terrorists try and make their recruits believe. That America, Israel and all democratic societies are conspiring to oust Islam. It's fucking bullshit!

[Canuck Wisdom]

chocolate milk has the same value for you as white milk, it just tastes chocolatey