Ciggerettes vs. Joints

sk8ersmoker · 07-31-2006, 06:40 PM

I've had so many arguments with friends over what is worse for you ciggerettes or a joint. I myself think that a ciggerette is worse . I want to know other peoples thoughts on this.

smb43432 · 07-31-2006, 07:34 PM

well i smoked ciggs for about a year and weed for about 6 months with ciggs and 6 months after i quit ciggs and once you get addicted to ciggs u just want more and more but with weed you can go a while if you want without having to have some so i'd so ciggs are more dangerous just bc the addiction factor and that u think you have to have a smoke everday all day.

**~~ochoapeter~~** · 07-31-2006, 07:44 PM

Code:

                                                MJ     Tobacco
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gas Phase Analysis
  Carbon Monoxide (Vol %)                       3.99     4.58
                  (mg)                         17.6     20.2

  Carbon Dioxide (Vol %)                        8.27     9.38
                 (mg)                          57.3     65.0

  Ammonia (ug)                                228      178
  HCN (ug)                                    532      498
  Isoprene (ug)                                83      310
  Acetaldehyde (ug)                          1200      980
  Acetone (ug)                                443      578
  Acetonitrile (ug)                            92       85
  Benzene (ug)                                 76       67
  Toluene (ug)                                112      108
  Dimethylnitrosamine (ng)                     75       84
  Methylethylnitrosamine (ng)                  27       30

Particulate Matter Analysis
  Phenol (ug)                                  76.8    138.5
  o-Cresol (ug)                                76.8     24
                                               17.9     24
  m-p-Cresol (ug)                              54.4     65
  2.4- and 2.5- dimethylphenol (ug)             6.8     14.4
  Cannabidiol (ug)                            190        -
  delta-9 THC (ug)                            820        -
  Nicotine (ug)                                 -     2850
  Naphthalene (ng)                           3000     1200
  1-methylnaphthalene                        6100     3650
  2-methylnaphthalene                        3600     1400
  Benzo(a)anthracene (ng)                      75       43
  Benzo(a)pyrene (ng)                          31       22.1

NOX · 07-31-2006, 07:52 PM

Tobacco is addicting, marijuana is not. Someone addicted to tobacco will be smoking all their life (Or until they get very sick or finially manage to quit, but not after years and years of harm) Pot smokers don't smoke nearly as much as a nicotine addict, who are lighting up very frequently. Even short term, I would say cigarettes are worse because of all of the extra harmful chemicals that are put in there.

snapshot · 07-31-2006, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ochoapeter

Code:

                                                MJ     Tobacco
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gas Phase Analysis
  Carbon Monoxide (Vol %)                       3.99     4.58
                  (mg)                         17.6     20.2

  Carbon Dioxide (Vol %)                        8.27     9.38
                 (mg)                          57.3     65.0

  Ammonia (ug)                                228      178
  HCN (ug)                                    532      498
  Isoprene (ug)                                83      310
  Acetaldehyde (ug)                          1200      980
  Acetone (ug)                                443      578
  Acetonitrile (ug)                            92       85
  Benzene (ug)                                 76       67
  Toluene (ug)                                112      108
  Dimethylnitrosamine (ng)                     75       84
  Methylethylnitrosamine (ng)                  27       30

Particulate Matter Analysis
  Phenol (ug)                                  76.8    138.5
  o-Cresol (ug)                                76.8     24
                                               17.9     24
  m-p-Cresol (ug)                              54.4     65
  2.4- and 2.5- dimethylphenol (ug)             6.8     14.4
  Cannabidiol (ug)                            190        -
  delta-9 THC (ug)                            820        -
  Nicotine (ug)                                 -     2850
  Naphthalene (ng)                           3000     1200
  1-methylnaphthalene                        6100     3650
  2-methylnaphthalene                        3600     1400
  Benzo(a)anthracene (ng)                      75       43
  Benzo(a)pyrene (ng)                          31       22.1

Yes, but what is it all mean, Basil?

**~~ochoapeter~~** · 07-31-2006, 08:20 PM

Fuck if I know!!!!

The Second Law of Thermodynamics · 07-31-2006, 08:33 PM

smoking joints is far worse for you than smoking cigarettes and will end up damaging your lungs much more quickly. even though regular marijuana smokers typically smoke far less than tobacco smokers (say 3 or 4 joints a day vs 20 or more cigarettes) the marijuana smokers still exhibit more severe lung abnormalities. here are some studies which illustrate this:

“As compared with smoking tobacco, smoking marijuana was associated with a nearly fivefold greater increment in the blood carboxyhemoglobin level, an approximately threefold increase in the amount of tar inhaled, and retention in the respiratory tract of one third more inhaled tar.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3340105

“Significant respiratory symptoms and changes in spirometry occur in cannabis-dependent individuals at age 21 years, even although the cannabis smoking history is of relatively short duration.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

“This report calls attention to the accelerated pathological changes in the lungs from marijuana smoking as compared to tobacco smoking leading to pulmonary scarring, emphysema, and eventual chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

The Second Law of Thermodynamics · 07-31-2006, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Tobacco is addicting, marijuana is not.

“A large body of evidence now demonstrates that cannabis dependence, both behavioral and physical, does occur in about 7-10% of regular users”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

not only is marijuana addicting but the affects it has on the lungs will be the same whether or not someone is techinically "addicted". in other words, if you smoke marijuana every day, does it really matter whether or not you're addicted? its certainly not going to matter in terms of lung damage.

shermsticky · 07-31-2006, 08:48 PM

i already explained this like two days ago. tobacco leaves a noticable effect the next day, weed dosen't. tobacco basically fucks up the small shit in the lungs while weed dosen't. it's fuckin bullshit to say weed is worse.

bongload · 07-31-2006, 08:50 PM

I'm going with the Second Law here.. he is well read and can back up what he says.

**~~wiseco~~** · 07-31-2006, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shermsticky

i already explained this like two days ago. tobacco leaves a noticable effect the next day, weed dosen't. tobacco basically fucks up the small shit in the lungs while weed dosen't. it's fuckin bullshit to say weed is worse.

I'm with SLOT on this one.

Cigarette has a filter on it, a joint does not. Now tell me what one seems more harmful?

stoned-rocker · 07-31-2006, 09:46 PM

first of all a joint doesn't need a filter cuz it doesn't have all that tar and shit in it like cigs do. Also cigaretts don't have one good affect to them alls thy do is fuck u up but mary jane doese, heres a few. 1.Marijuana can relieve stress 2. Marijuana allows dead cells to die off instead of turning canceress (I hope i spelt that right) and theres probably more that I can't think of right now. And plus why do you thing they have medical pot? You dont see medical cigs in my oppinion ciggarets are far worse.

**~~wiseco~~** · 07-31-2006, 10:12 PM

They have medicinal pot to relieve pain, and treat some things. It in no way CURES them though.

Think of it this way....

Get 2 clean pipes
Smoke a half ounce of tobacco through one and a half ounce of weed through the other

they will both have about the same amount of resin in them.

Equally bad for the lungs.

**~~wiseco~~** · 07-31-2006, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoned-rocker

first of all a joint doesn't need a filter cuz it doesn't have all that tar and shit in it like cigs do. Also cigaretts don't have one good affect to them alls thy do is fuck u up but mary jane doese, heres a few. 1.Marijuana can relieve stress 2. Marijuana allows dead cells to die off instead of turning canceress (I hope i spelt that right) and theres probably more that I can't think of right now. And plus why do you thing they have medical pot? You dont see medical cigs in my oppinion ciggarets are far worse.

Cigarettes also relieve stress, think before you post next time please.

shermsticky · 07-31-2006, 10:21 PM

shit, i can hit a joint fuckin EASY, easier then a cigarette. man, you fuckin NEED a filter for tobacco, otherwise you couldn't hit the motherfucker. weed ain't harsh like tobacco is. tobacco burns hotter, fuck your shit up. gets in the small capillaries, i believe, fuck up the deep shit. weed stays in the main chamber.

fenderbender · 07-31-2006, 10:32 PM

how does herb have tar in it...i didnt think tar was on natural plants, so how could there be tar in MJ? there are a bunch of chems in ciggs i know but how can all those chems be in herb?...?????

stoned-rocker · 07-31-2006, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenderbender

how does herb have tar in it...i didnt think tar was on natural plants, so how could there be tar in MJ? there are a bunch of chems in ciggs i know but how can all those chems be in herb?...?????

yea this is exactly what I was thinking when whoever it was said mj had tar in it how th hell would tar be in pot its natural.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics · 07-31-2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenderbender

how does herb have tar in it...i didnt think tar was on natural plants, so how could there be tar in MJ? there are a bunch of chems in ciggs i know but how can all those chems be in herb?...?????

tar is produced by burning plant material. marijuana smoke contains more tar than tobacco smoke.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics · 07-31-2006, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoned-rocker

yea this is exactly what I was thinking when whoever it was said mj had tar in it how th hell would tar be in pot its natural.

and tobacco isn't natural?

stoned-rocker · 07-31-2006, 10:54 PM

tobaco is natural but the shit they mix in with it isn't. and tar is the shit in pavement.

07-31-2006, 06:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
sk8ersmoker YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ciggerettes vs. Joints I've had so many arguments with friends over what is worse for you ciggerettes or a joint. I myself think that a ciggerette is worse . I want to know other peoples thoughts on this.

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stoned-rocker YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: in a hole in the ground Posts: 268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	first of all a joint doesn't need a filter cuz it doesn't have all that tar and shit in it like cigs do. Also cigaretts don't have one good affect to them alls thy do is fuck u up but mary jane doese, heres a few. 1.Marijuana can relieve stress 2. Marijuana allows dead cells to die off instead of turning canceress (I hope i spelt that right) and theres probably more that I can't think of right now. And plus why do you thing they have medical pot? You dont see medical cigs in my oppinion ciggarets are far worse. __________________ http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...onedrocker.jpg

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~~wiseco~~ Banned Join Date: May 2006 Location: Banned because ASG is a hypocrytical fat bitch who can't back her shit up Posts: 3,189 Thanks: 65 Thanked 70 Times in 52 Posts	They have medicinal pot to relieve pain, and treat some things. It in no way CURES them though. Think of it this way.... Get 2 clean pipes Smoke a half ounce of tobacco through one and a half ounce of weed through the other they will both have about the same amount of resin in them. Equally bad for the lungs. Last edited by wiseco; 07-31-2006 at 10:51 PM.

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stoned-rocker YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: in a hole in the ground Posts: 268 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	tobaco is natural but the shit they mix in with it isn't. and tar is the shit in pavement. __________________ http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...onedrocker.jpg

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07-31-2006, 07:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
smb43432 insert clever saying here Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: yahooka Posts: 1,134 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	well i smoked ciggs for about a year and weed for about 6 months with ciggs and 6 months after i quit ciggs and once you get addicted to ciggs u just want more and more but with weed you can go a while if you want without having to have some so i'd so ciggs are more dangerous just bc the addiction factor and that u think you have to have a smoke everday all day.

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~~ochoapeter~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 667 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fuck if I know!!!!

07-31-2006, 08:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
The Second Law of Thermodynamics Old School Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: michigan Posts: 2,103 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	smoking joints is far worse for you than smoking cigarettes and will end up damaging your lungs much more quickly. even though regular marijuana smokers typically smoke far less than tobacco smokers (say 3 or 4 joints a day vs 20 or more cigarettes) the marijuana smokers still exhibit more severe lung abnormalities. here are some studies which illustrate this: “As compared with smoking tobacco, smoking marijuana was associated with a nearly fivefold greater increment in the blood carboxyhemoglobin level, an approximately threefold increase in the amount of tar inhaled, and retention in the respiratory tract of one third more inhaled tar.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=3340105 “Significant respiratory symptoms and changes in spirometry occur in cannabis-dependent individuals at age 21 years, even although the cannabis smoking history is of relatively short duration.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum “This report calls attention to the accelerated pathological changes in the lungs from marijuana smoking as compared to tobacco smoking leading to pulmonary scarring, emphysema, and eventual chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

07-31-2006, 08:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
shermsticky there you are Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: people who hate to hear phone calls should wear ear plugs Posts: 988 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i already explained this like two days ago. tobacco leaves a noticable effect the next day, weed dosen't. tobacco basically fucks up the small shit in the lungs while weed dosen't. it's fuckin bullshit to say weed is worse.

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bongload ^ it's an acronym Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,705 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I'm going with the Second Law here.. he is well read and can back up what he says.

07-31-2006, 10:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
shermsticky there you are Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: people who hate to hear phone calls should wear ear plugs Posts: 988 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	shit, i can hit a joint fuckin EASY, easier then a cigarette. man, you fuckin NEED a filter for tobacco, otherwise you couldn't hit the motherfucker. weed ain't harsh like tobacco is. tobacco burns hotter, fuck your shit up. gets in the small capillaries, i believe, fuck up the deep shit. weed stays in the main chamber.

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