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Old 06-06-2007, 03:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Why so negative?

I've often pondered why it seems so easy for us to dwell on things that seem negative, it seems absoloutely crazy when I think about it rationally, but a huge majority still do, even myself included sometimes. Is it because it's easier to focus on these aspects? Are we just being lazy? Or are we bringing this about as a whole rather than an individual? If everyone is focusing on the negative side of things, does that have an effect on me? I know it's my choice to let it effect me, but I can't help but wonder if it has some kind of sub-concious effect too, simply because I usually am a positive person, but I feel I absorb other peoples energies quite strongly.

If everyone else lived their lives with absoloute positivity, would it erase those bad energies altogether? Or is it going to be constant 'work' for us all to focus on the positive?

I don't know, I guess I'm starting to see the sense in what some of you guys are saying about creating your own 'reality'. But I can stand back and view it from both points of view, I can see how a person in a negative state of mind can pass off those views quite easily, I have myself at times, which is what makes me question how I can keep bouncing up and down like this. I have found myself to go through extreme highs and lows, and everytime I get into a high, I tell myself I want to stay here forever, but somehow I keep ending up back down there when it's really not what I want.
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If everyone else lived their lives with absoloute positivity, would it erase those bad energies altogether?
Yessir. It isn't that we focus more on negative than positive, it's just that we focus on negative at all. When we react to negativity we generally react with negativity, and by this we propagate negative effects.

I hate to cross threads but I think I spelled this out pretty well in the peace on earth thread and I don't have time right now to type it all out again in a different way:

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Our beliefs determine our perception: the reality we experience. These beliefs are what I mean by thinking, because the astute experiencer is ever progressing his beliefs (and therefore his perception of reality) to be in alignment with his experience and he uses thought and reason to achieve this. The reality we perceive by a function of our beliefs must be processed in some way, and from this we derive an interpretation (or judgment) of our reality. At this point, we begin to define HOW we experience the reality we have constructed by our beliefs, as well as how we will experience in the future because what you put out is what you get back. This interpretation produces an emotional reaction or feeling which affects us in some way, leading to the final step in our experience of reality: planning how we will act (by taking cue from our emotions) and actually acting.

Now, the reason I was ragging on action so much is because most people, when confronted with (or, more directly, interpreting an experience as) an undesirable experience, react with negative emotions and try to affect change by starting with action: which is actually the last step in defining our experience. In doing this, they actually maintain the beliefs, perceptions, and interpretations which propagate the negative reactions they wish to allay through action because, again, what you put out is what you get back and they are ever "putting out" the beliefs, perceptions, and interpretations which reinforce their circumstance.

Let's talk more about interpretation and judgment, because this is really the key to braking (or breaking) the wheel of karma. We are always passively judging our circumstances and experiences, and this judgment is the means by which we manifest experience. In judging, we resonate with the judged and thus, to some degree or another, "attract" what we have judged. The underlying principle of this is focus, or attention, because we vibrate what we give our attention to and experience what we vibrate. The universe doesn't care whether you enjoy what you give attention to or not, and it will reflect that attention back at you whether positive or negative.

The secret (the REAL secret ) to having only desirable experiences is understanding that all events, circumstances, etc. have no innate positive or negative significance. This is the meaning of my signature: infinity musters all glories in NEUTRAL existence. We have created a reality of good/evil, light/dark etc. and thus we ever bounce back and forth, sliding up and down the spectrum like a tumultuous roller coaster as we passively judge all situations we come into contact with. If we instead merely recognized undesirable experiences as possibilities and attributed no special significance to them, our vibration would no longer be in alignment with them and we would be unable to experience them.

But how to apply this practically? We have a compass which, when properly utilized and understood, will lead us away from passive judgments which may manifest undesired experience. This compass is the feeling of excitement or joy. When we follow this feeling while resisting judgment of experiences our past has impressed upon the present, we shift our vibration in alignment with enjoyment and eventually shed all relics of our past judgments and interpretations.
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I'm always thinking negativly, sometimes to the point of pissing myself off.
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^ Dude, no wonder!
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Yessir. It isn't that we focus more on negative than positive, it's just that we focus on negative at all. When we react to negativity we generally react with negativity, and by this we propagate negative effects.
So really it's all my mind. There will always be a potential for negativity, but it's up to me to walk in the opposite direction.

I have to question though, when you guys talk about this shift in awareness. Is that something that is happening out of our control? I mean I guess what I'm thinking is. If it's happening naturally, and is inevitable. Should there be any need to for us to work towards it?
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Focusing on the negative is so easy because there's a survival mechanism behind it. Anything that is a threat to you (even in the abstract) is something that your body tells you is important to pay attention to, like a sabre-toothed cat or something. When evolution worked this little convenience into us ("notice threat, avoid it or deal with it") it didn't take into account things like your boss being an asshole.



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So really it's all my mind. There will always be a potential for negativity, but it's up to me to walk in the opposite direction.

I have to question though, when you guys talk about this shift in awareness. Is that something that is happening out of our control? I mean I guess what I'm thinking is. If it's happening naturally, and is inevitable. Should there be any need to for us to work towards it?
Well, your experience is dictated by your vibration and if you vibration is aligned in some way with this shift you will be open to experiencing it. I suspect, however, that there is a natural "inclination" toward the nature of our reality getting us to "wake up." Right now the methods are subtle, but as time progresses and we approach nearer and nearer whatever cusp we are obviously heading toward (I personally see it as humanity integrating our consciousnesses into a global awareness), the methods might become more graphic: such as the scenarios of various religious end-times and notions of Armageddon. The transition can be as easy or as hard as you wish.

As for your first point, you are exactly correct. But please keep in mind that there is no inherent value to any experience: they are, every possible one, neutral. If you interpret an experience as good or bad, you leave yourself open to experiencing it because in judging something you bring your vibration in alignment with it. They key is to accept the neutrality of all experiences and focus on following experiences which you find enjoyable which resisting judgment od experiences you would find unenjoyable.
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Focusing on the negative is so easy because there's a survival mechanism behind it. Anything that is a threat to you (even in the abstract) is something that your body tells you is important to pay attention to, like a sabre-toothed cat or something. When evolution worked this little convenience into us ("notice threat, avoid it or deal with it") it didn't take into account things like your boss being an asshole.



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Haha, I think you're bang on rev. I am reading a book at the moment called The Handbook To Higher Consciousness. Funnily enough it states exactly what you just mentioned as one of the traits of a "lower consciousness" being. That's cool.

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Well, your experience is dictated by your vibration and if you vibration is aligned in some way with this shift you will be open to experiencing it. I suspect, however, that there is a natural "inclination" toward the nature of our reality getting us to "wake up." Right now the methods are subtle, but as time progresses and we approach nearer and nearer whatever cusp we are obviously heading toward (I personally see it as humanity integrating our consciousnesses into a global awareness), the methods might become more graphic: such as the scenarios of various religious end-times and notions of Armageddon. The transition can be as easy or as hard as you wish.
So it's really a combination of both? I guess the quicker we embrace, the quicker it will manifest, and vice versa.

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As for your first point, you are exactly correct. But please keep in mind that there is no inherent value to any experience: they are, every possible one, neutral. If you interpret an experience as good or bad, you leave yourself open to experiencing it because in judging something you bring your vibration in alignment with it. They key is to accept the neutrality of all experiences and focus on following experiences which you find enjoyable which resisting judgment od experiences you would find unenjoyable.
I will keep that in mind. I have to say it does make me slightly sad to think that my experiences in this life have no meaning other than what I give them. But at the same time, I think being able to accept it will overcome that 'sadness'.
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Well, that's the nature of infinity my friend. Don't forget that you are an infinite co-Creator of infinity, and in that co-Creation yet get to define your reality. This necessitates that all experiences be neutral because there is an infinity of other selves which act as co-Creators in their own right and are thus afforded the right to define their own reality as they see fit. The excitement and joy you derive from your life experiences is very real, don't for a second think it's not! It's just that some other perspective might not define them in the same way, you know?
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negative-ness is intrinsic in reality.

A wave has a crest and a recess. The crest is the positive, the associated trench behind it is the negative.

The key is to see the waves, and not the dips. Focus on the crests...accept the dips for what they are though...necessary for the next wave.

at least in this reality.
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accept the dips for what they are though...necessary for the next wave.
I'd rather just surf a soaring wave: I've got eternity, after all!

I see what you're saying, but I'd have you know you're creating that condition yourself and you can change it if you like.
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I'd rather just surf a soaring wave: I've got eternity, after all!

I see what you're saying, but I'd have you know you're creating that condition yourself and you can change it if you like.
it's not soaring unless there's a dip in FRONT of it.

Otherwise it's just water. and you need to imagine it's a wave. Which has value itself. going out be back.
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Understood understood. But the dip is only a dip once you interpret it or judge it as a dip. And once you do that, you set yourself up for falling into it! In other words it's only a dip if you say it is, there's nothing else to define it for you.

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Understood understood. But the dip is only a dip once you interpret it or judge it as a dip. And once you do that, you set yourself up for falling into it! In other words it's only a dip if you say it is, there's nothing else to define it for you.

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But if you want to ride what you we commonly call a wave, you have already defined the dip :-).


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So really it's all my mind. There will always be a potential for negativity, but it's up to me to walk in the opposite direction.

I have to question though, when you guys talk about this shift in awareness. Is that something that is happening out of our control?
out of our control? no, its an experience that we have chosen to widen our awareness and evolve ourselves, so to speak. this is just my belief so if you arent interested in the esoteric stuff stop reading here. the shift thats coming is a mass event, something we have all agreed to already. its already happening, we're actually halfway through it. the first part of the shift was the last 100 years or so of technological development. we have allowed ourselves to create objects that express our inner abilities that we have, over thousands and thousands of years of religous belief indoctrination, forgotten. we gave our power up to external objects, gods and so forth, and in doing that we need to RE-gain it by creating yet more external objects which symbolize our new awarenesses.

for example:

cell phones/radios are the technological, external expression of telepathy.

computers and the internet are the expression of our interconnectedness.

internet = interconnectedness!

now, in the next part of this so-called shift, we will be shifting not externally but internally. we will still be creating technology and stuff, but the focus will not be on external creation and manipulation any longer.

its going to be interesting.
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Its not something that needs to be addressed consciously, objectively. Its a subjective action, something we have all agreed on. It will happen to a person wether they shift willingly or kicking and screaming. and the kicking and screaming has only begun. Things like the virginia tech massacre that happened recently are what im talking about. People losing control of their emotions and blowing up in extravagent manners such as that korean kid. The years ahead are going to be very strange, very exciting, very horrible.

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WAAAVES!!! FUCK!!! That cell phone analogy just blew my fucking mind.

holy shit you're right! hahahahaha.
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So it's really a combination of both? I guess the quicker we embrace, the quicker it will manifest, and vice versa.
I believe that while the shift is a mass event, it happens on an individual level. Your actually already shifting. you can speed that up or slow that down if you wish. either way its your choice. its all your choice
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I will keep that in mind. I have to say it does make me slightly sad to think that my experiences in this life have no meaning other than what I give them. But at the same time, I think being able to accept it will overcome that 'sadness'.
And once you accept that, you can go on to create every experience as you wish as opposed to being slave to what you think it should be
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WAAAVES!!! FUCK!!! That cell phone analogy just blew my fucking mind.

holy shit you're right! hahahahaha.
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Dude, all our experiences are a result of our beliefs and interpretations. I'm really sorry, it's only my personal belief but I've expressed it repeatedly. And I know that because it is my personal belief it is true to me, and I can take personal responsibility for it.

You don't do anything different in coming to your personal understanding, no need to get so antagonistic!
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