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Old 06-19-2007, 12:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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liberal bias in the media today vs vietnam: diferent and yet the same

during the vietnam war, literally the entire country was against the war, the death count was 50,000 and climbing, vietnam, a country with no oil, no economy, no strategic value, and bleak hopes.... the liberal media was born in these days - a loud, at times totally obnoxious entity. but at least then, they seemed to represent the voice of the people....


today, a different time, a different enemy, and a completely different situation, and yet the same old vietnam era journalism thinks its gonna make a comeback by throwing dirt in the face of the establishment like it did 35 years ago.... the trouble is, the country is not nearly as certain this time around about the dubiousness of the war..... to be sure, no one likes the violence and bloodshead, and others are appauled at the handing of the war.... but when u turn on the news and you here people shit on the entire effort in iraq and demand that we all renounce our "mistake" and leave, efforts underway, and time and money and lives invested, -get out and then everything will be alright.... nowadays that stuff doesnt play to the educated american people as well as it used to - they see al qaida and iran, hear the comments they are making, recognize the situation for what it is, and then , instead of being able to watch the news for facts, you turn it on and everything (except fox news which is equally devoid of facts but with a right wing bias instead) is so anti-war and blindly so, without concern for reality is seems...... what are we to gather from this?

journalists seem to want desperately these days to construct the national opinion rather than reflect it.... this is a true shame.

just take this article for example A war on rewind, in a bleaker Baghdad - Yahoo! News .... look at how absurdly biased and devoid of facts (other than partisan shots) it is....

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Viet Nam has oil.

Its like the #3 producer in South East Asia.
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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ah j-wonder.

you build your posts like a mansion, but they turn out like childrens lego sets.

all geeno had to do was take out one piece, and your whole thing fell apart
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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vewy smart guys, the two most educated people on here "corrected" me.

....u do realize that vietnam is absolutely NOT a lage oil exporter, not even in the top 20.... but ok.

anybody else have anything to say about the topic of the thread?

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Old 06-19-2007, 01:07 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Also, what is your point?
"journalists seem to want desperately these days to construct the national opinion rather than reflect it.... this is a true shame.
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i dont get it. what was biased about that article?

and about the viet nam comparison, is it so completely different? guf of tonkin incident was manufactured, so was the threat of wmd
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vewy smart guys, the two most educated people on here "corrected" me.

....u do realize that vietnam is absolutely NOT a lage oil exporter, not even in the top 20.... but ok.

anybody else have anything to say about the topic of the thread?
Okay mr. edit and backpedal

You said viet nam had no oil or strategic value.

Which was wrong on both counts.
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? lol "gennos quote - Viet Nam has oil.

Its like the #3 producer in South East Asia"

im backpedalling? geenious
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J wonder...what is your point? That the media is still reporting more than its owners and masters want it to when it comes to their lies, fabrications and crimes? Or that the media is not being fascist enought....Cuz j i m sorry to tell you but america does not have a liberal media. It has a fascist media. Period.

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Liberal bias in the media is nothing more than a persistent neo con illusion.

Who owns the worlds big media companies? Most certainly not liberals. It always was and always will be a medium for pushing the camouflaged conservative agenda.

Think to your self who in the ends benefits from hysteria and confusion? Fascists.

Who controls the media, Fascists.


Libral Bias? I don't think so. More like mass campaign of mis information, counter intelligence and population passification.

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Old 06-19-2007, 02:05 PM   #13 (permalink)
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today, a different time, a different enemy, and a completely different situation, and yet the same old vietnam era journalism thinks its gonna make a comeback by throwing dirt in the face of the establishment like it did 35 years ago.... the trouble is, the country is not nearly as certain this time around about the dubiousness of the war..... to be sure, no one likes the violence and bloodshead, and others are appauled at the handing of the war.... but when u turn on the news and you here people shit on the entire effort in iraq and demand that we all renounce our "mistake" and leave, efforts underway, and time and money and lives invested, -get out and then everything will be alright.... nowadays that stuff doesnt play to the educated american people as well as it used to - they see al qaida and iran, hear the comments they are making, recognize the situation for what it is, and then , instead of being able to watch the news for facts, you turn it on and everything (except fox news which is equally devoid of facts but with a right wing bias instead) is so anti-war and blindly so, without concern for reality is seems...... what are we to gather from this?
Sometimes I just can't believe some of the shit you post. Viet Nam era journalism? What in the fuck is that? The truth maybe?

Or the country not NEARLY being certain about the "dubiousness" of the war. Read any polls lately?

And oh yeah, the superior intellect of the american people can't be fooled into believing that Iran and al-qaeda are not a national security threat no matter how far those liberal, anti war fucks stray from reality.
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:52 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Or the country not NEARLY being certain about the "dubiousness" of the war. Read any polls lately?
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American Majority Wants Troops Out of Iraq - June 18, 2007

More people in the United States are in favour of withdrawing their country’s soldiers from Iraq, according to a poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press. 56 per cent (56%) of respondents think the U.S. should bring its troops home as soon as possible regardless of the security conditions in Iraq, up three points since April.
What are you not understanding J?

The media IS representing the attitude of the country, just as they did when they blindly followed Bush & Cheney into Iraq without questioning what should have been pretty obvious.

Sorry, the gig is up.



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Old 06-19-2007, 11:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2007, 09:47 AM   #17 (permalink)
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"They say, who ever 'they' are, that Iran is the boggey man...and what it boils down to, is if enough people 'believe' that, thats what makes it so...doesn't it J?"

certainly not kosh, only if you believe it does it make it so... right?
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"They say, who ever 'they' are, that Iran is the boggey man...and what it boils down to, is if enough people 'believe' that, thats what makes it so...doesn't it J?"

certainly not kosh, only if you believe it does it make it so... right?
Yeah J-wonder, let's not reply to too many of the people's points here.

You want to start a thread for discussion, but I swear you get more fun out of watching the ensuing flames.

WILL YOU PLEASE REPLY TO THE MANY POINTS MADE?



HOW ABOUT THE POLL NUMBERS THAT SHOW AMERICANS WANTING TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ?






Your argument is weak.
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during the vietnam war, literally the entire country was against the war, the death count was 50,000 and climbing, vietnam, a country with no oil, no economy, no strategic value, and bleak hopes.... the liberal media was born in these days - a loud, at times totally obnoxious entity. but at least then, they seemed to represent the voice of the people....


today, a different time, a different enemy, and a completely different situation, and yet the same old vietnam era journalism thinks its gonna make a comeback by throwing dirt in the face of the establishment like it did 35 years ago.... the trouble is, the country is not nearly as certain this time around about the dubiousness of the war..... to be sure, no one likes the violence and bloodshead, and others are appauled at the handing of the war.... but when u turn on the news and you here people shit on the entire effort in iraq and demand that we all renounce our "mistake" and leave, efforts underway, and time and money and lives invested, -get out and then everything will be alright.... nowadays that stuff doesnt play to the educated american people as well as it used to - they see al qaida and iran, hear the comments they are making, recognize the situation for what it is, and then , instead of being able to watch the news for facts, you turn it on and everything (except fox news which is equally devoid of facts but with a right wing bias instead) is so anti-war and blindly so, without concern for reality is seems...... what are we to gather from this?

journalists seem to want desperately these days to construct the national opinion rather than reflect it.... this is a true shame.

just take this article for example A war on rewind, in a bleaker Baghdad - Yahoo! News .... look at how absurdly biased and devoid of facts (other than partisan shots) it is....
I think your confused, let me explain it for you. In a democracy, the most vital point of leadership is the media. It lets you have great sway over public opinion and in many ways allows you (the leader) to direct the nation like someone who gives orders, as opposed to takes them (as it should be in a democ.)

The 'country' thinks what the media tells it to think. At first it told it to support the war, so they could get in there and later when the sheer horror and corruption of the illegal conflict surfaced, the media plays the game that seems natural, saying 'lets get out'.

I'm not sure how to explain this... people see the news and they are presented with a false dichotomy, meaning the news portrays two or three different options as if theyre the only ones. The leftist position and the rights position. It does not tell you the truth, it does not report at a common sense level or let you think for yourself on the facts, it feeds you things to believe in so you can go and make threads like this and believe that the media is 'liberal'. The media hasn't been liberal for many years and is especially not so since all the major media outlets are owned by ultra-rich global business men who totally support the Shadow Governments plan for American world domination and a new world order.

And 'Liberal Media' is SUCH a loaded term in the US I don't think its proper to try and use that term.

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Liberal bias in the media is nothing more than a persistent neo con illusion.

Who owns the worlds big media companies? Most certainly not liberals. It always was and always will be a medium for pushing the camouflaged conservative agenda.

Think to your self who in the ends benefits from hysteria and confusion? Fascists.

Who controls the media, Fascists.


Libral Bias? I don't think so. More like mass campaign of mis information, counter intelligence and population passification.

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I cant handle threads like this. Some of the responses are good, but the OP was just too far gone for me to try and handle without being stoned and more chilled out. Risking sounding too much like OOTF, there is just so much ignorance I don't have enough patience to deal with it. But maybe its not ignorance, but an assumption of knowledge that is so dangerous and frustrating.
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during the vietnam war, literally the entire country was against the war, the death count was 50,000 and climbing, vietnam, a country with no oil, no economy, no strategic value, and bleak hopes.... the liberal media was born in these days - a loud, at times totally obnoxious entity. but at least then, they seemed to represent the voice of the people....


today, a different time, a different enemy, and a completely different situation, and yet the same old vietnam era journalism thinks its gonna make a comeback by throwing dirt in the face of the establishment like it did 35 years ago.... the trouble is, the country is not nearly as certain this time around about the dubiousness of the war..... to be sure, no one likes the violence and bloodshead, and others are appauled at the handing of the war.... but when u turn on the news and you here people shit on the entire effort in iraq and demand that we all renounce our "mistake" and leave, efforts underway, and time and money and lives invested, -get out and then everything will be alright.... nowadays that stuff doesnt play to the educated american people as well as it used to - they see al qaida and iran, hear the comments they are making, recognize the situation for what it is, and then , instead of being able to watch the news for facts, you turn it on and everything (except fox news which is equally devoid of facts but with a right wing bias instead) is so anti-war and blindly so, without concern for reality is seems...... what are we to gather from this?

journalists seem to want desperately these days to construct the national opinion rather than reflect it.... this is a true shame.

just take this article for example A war on rewind, in a bleaker Baghdad - Yahoo! News .... look at how absurdly biased and devoid of facts (other than partisan shots) it is....
It's part of a journalist's job to report things as they see them, even if it'll make them unpopular. Ideally, an unbiased reporter shouldn't be the voice of the people, or of anybody else. They should be the voice of truth and logic. Their job isn't to follow public opinion. That's what they did when the war started, by uncritically accepting the President's assertions about weapons of mass destruction, accepting the whole "embedding" thing and not going out of their way to talk to Iraqis about what was actually happening. The media got caught up in the rush to war just like most people did. They did it again in '04, by not reporting on the shenanigans going on in Ohio. Think about it--massive fraud was taking place, but the media decided not to report on it because hearing about it didn't suit the conservative mood of the country at the time. Doesn't sound like a liberal media to me.

Now that the pendulum of public opinion is swinging back towards opposing the war (and you can't deny that, the Democrats wouldn't have done so well in '06 if that weren't true), the media's following public opinion again. Which they shouldn't really be doing, but at least they got more of their facts right this time.
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