Criminals United : Bush gives Libby partial pardon.

JusticeLeauge · 07-02-2007, 07:45 PM

BBC NEWS | Americas | Bush spares Libby from jail term

HTAM · 07-02-2007, 07:52 PM

of jail time, but leaves the fine and probation in place.

Hey George....he must suck a meeeeeeeeeaaaaaannn dick, huh?
You fuckin' jag off.

'"They misunderestimated me."-Bush, Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000.
Yep, we sure the fuck did.

"I'm the master of low expectations." —Bush, aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003.
You're fuckin' kidding me!!

HTAM

theorangejulius · 07-02-2007, 07:57 PM

we sure spent a lot of time and money on the investigation and trial. kind of a waste if he was just going to get pardoned anyway.

Яedking · 07-02-2007, 08:02 PM

meanwhile paris hilton just got out of jail

c'mon guys

07-02-2007, 10:14 PM

its funny because all the people who have the opinion that the Libby case was purely politically motivated will be glad that this happened and an honorable man who if u read any of those letters sent to the judge on his behalf helped not only young professionals rise thru the ranks but was an extremely nice guy..... what did he do ? he worked for a leader who is extremely unpopular and was made to take the fall.....

so yea the people who like him will be happy and everyone else (who doesnt like bush anyway) will be pissed...

i guess its bush's chance to start saying fuck you to his critics.... if i had an absolute no holds barred power like the presidential pardon i would definately use it to help out a loyal long time associate who was unfairly laid out to dry.....

07-02-2007, 10:15 PM

if nixon deserved a pardon...

which i dont really think he did considering the circumstances....teh n libby surely deserves one. and he didnt even get it, just a sentence commute.

stoneric · 07-03-2007, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry

Libby is small fish.

He's just the guy who followed orders.

Shouldn't we be going after the people who give said orders?

If the small fish doesn't have to do his time, how much time will the big fish do?

stoneric · 07-03-2007, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-wonder

its funny because all the people who have the opinion that the Libby case was purely politically motivated will be glad that this happened and an honorable man who if u read any of those letters sent to the judge on his behalf helped not only young professionals rise thru the ranks but was an extremely nice guy..... what did he do ? he worked for a leader who is extremely unpopular and was made to take the fall.....

so yea the people who like him will be happy and everyone else (who doesnt like bush anyway) will be pissed...

i guess its bush's chance to start saying fuck you to his critics.... if i had an absolute no holds barred power like the presidential pardon i would definately use it to help out a loyal long time associate who was unfairly laid out to dry.....

Since the neocons wrote letters to the judge saying libby was an "extremely nice guy", is it any wonder why his sentence was commuted. I mean being guilty of working for an extremely unpopular official or being a long loyal associate who was unfairly laid out to dry shouldn't land one in prison. The judge who sentenced him should do some time.

Jimmy Coonan · 07-03-2007, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry

Libby is small fish.

He's just the guy who followed orders.

Shouldn't we be going after the people who give said orders?

Exactly what I think. I don't think Libby deserves to go to jail, Rove and Cheney do. That's never going to happen, unfortunately, but I don't think it's right to make him the scapegoat and lock him up.

At least the Bushies saved their pawn instead of writing him off as expendable. I guess there is some honor amongst thieves.

stoneric · 07-03-2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillarry518

Exactly what I think. I don't think Libby deserves to go to jail, Rove and Cheney do. That's never going to happen, unfortunately, but I don't think it's right to make him the scapegoat and lock him up.

At least the Bushies saved their pawn instead of writing him off as expendable. I guess there is some honor amongst thieves.

Where's the logic? Since rove and cheney won't be locked up, we let libby go too? He's not a scapegoat if he's guilty. Equal fucking justice.

HTAM · 07-03-2007, 09:08 AM

Libby was dirty....
'The five-count indictment alleges that Libby, 55, lied on two occasions to FBI investigators, made false statements in two appearances before the grand jury, and impeded the investigation. He will be arraigned in coming days and then it could be up to a year before any trial begins. If convicted on all counts, Libby could face up to 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines.'\

Mr. Libby’s lawyers said in an opening statement on Tuesday that he felt so abandoned by the White House as the leak investigation intensified in the fall of 2003 that he appealed to his boss, Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Cheney subsequently wrote, according to the defense’s opening statement: “Not going to protect one staffer + sacrifice the guy who was asked to stick his neck in the meatgrinder because of the incompetence of others.”
and anything but a scapegoat.
Ideally, this is the first of many dominoes that will fall as the investigation moves forward.

HTAM

Prophet Saddam · 07-04-2007, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-wonder

its funny because all the people who have the opinion that the Libby case was purely politically motivated will be glad that this happened and an honorable man who if u read any of those letters sent to the judge on his behalf helped not only young professionals rise thru the ranks but was an extremely nice guy..... what did he do ? he worked for a leader who is extremely unpopular and was made to take the fall.....

so yea the people who like him will be happy and everyone else (who doesnt like bush anyway) will be pissed...

i guess its bush's chance to start saying fuck you to his critics.... if i had an absolute no holds barred power like the presidential pardon i would definately use it to help out a loyal long time associate who was unfairly laid out to dry.....

What did he do? He obstructed justice. He "lied on two occasions to FBI investigators, made false statements in two appearances before the grand jury, and impeded the investigation" of who leaked the identity of a secret CIA agent because her husband was voicing his opposition to the war before it began.

Is that the purely political nature of this case you're referring to, J-wonder?

Of course having super powers (as I'm sure Bush would see them too) would be fun and all, but there comes a responsibility that the people expect. No one denies Bush's ability to pardon anyone he wants, but the hypocrisy of his stance is unacceptable IMO.

Bush said that he felt the 30 months for Libby's felony crimes was 'excessive.' How can Bush, the governor of a state who oversaw more executions during his term than any other governor in recent time, talk about having any feelings for people dully convicted by our legal system?

60% of Americans felt that Libby should serve out his sentence. Bush can continue the 'fuck you' game, but the people will have the last say.

smoke weed.

07-04-2007, 09:21 AM

i love when u cite polls... dude, it doesnt matter if 100% of americans think something, justice is justice..... am i saying justice was served in this case? no not necessarily, but a poll should have absolutely no effect on whether justice was served or not....

JusticeLeauge · 07-04-2007, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-wonder

i love when u cite polls... dude, it doesnt matter if 100% of americans think something, justice is justice..... am i saying justice was served in this case? no not necessarily, but a poll should have absolutely no effect on whether justice was served or not....

Well if 100% of americans think something...that means that is the will of the people which means that is the justice, and not what Bush wants it to be . You are telling me if 100% of the US population said that they wanted bush tried for murder,treason and crimes against humanity that wouldn't matter? Oh yah i forgot you don't give a shit what the people want....you do think and care about only about the things your masters want you to...and in the way they want you to.

07-04-2007, 09:49 AM

no im just talking about what is just- its a philosophical argument more than anything.

sometimes even laws can be unjust (like imo marijuana prohibition)...

but justice is not based on what the mob would do in a given situation, its far more complex and based on laws, punishments, morality, etc etc...

my point is relatively vague ill concede.

JusticeLeauge · 07-04-2007, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-wonder

no im just talking about what is just- its a philosophical argument more than anything.

sometimes even laws can be unjust (like imo marijuana prohibition)...

but justice is not based on what the mob would do in a given situation, its far more complex and based on laws, punishments, morality, etc etc...

my point is relatively vague ill concede.

100% is not mob rule it is the will of the people. if 100% think it is just how is it unjust? Marijuana laws are only unjust due to the fact that there are those who consider them to be so. If 100% considered Bush hanging from a tree by his balls was just...it would be just.

My point was purely hypothetical though...as its impossible to get 100% agreement on things like that.

Prophet Saddam · 07-04-2007, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j-wonder

i love when u cite polls... dude, it doesnt matter if 100% of americans think something, justice is justice..... am i saying justice was served in this case? no not necessarily, but a poll should have absolutely no effect on whether justice was served or not....

Are you going to defend Bush on this or not, dude?

Justice is justice? O RLY?

Care to debate this, or just make stabs in the dark?

Prophet Saddam · 07-04-2007, 11:32 AM

While you find this whole episode 'funny' j-wonder, I see the deterioration of the rule of law and justice in this country.

Quote:

Commute These Sentences, Mr. President

Source

President Bush has pushed the envelope of every aspect of executive power, except for two that might ease the burden of government, the veto and the pardon. Now he’s threatening to protect the taxpayers with his veto pen, and he’s just discovered his power to pardon or commute the sentences of people convicted of crimes. Whether Scooter Libby was an appropriate recipient of a commutation is subject to much debate.

But there are plenty of other people who deserve presidential pardons or commutations. Families Against Mandatory Minimums has highlighted a number of good cases here:

Mandy Martinson — 15 years for helping her boyfriend count his drug-dealing money.

DeJarion Echols — 20 years for selling a small amount of crack and owning a gun, causing Reagan-appointed federal judge Walter S. Smith, Jr. to say, “This is one of those situations where I’d like to see a congressman sitting before me.”

Weldon Angelos — 55 years for minor marijuana and gun charges, causing the George W. Bush-appointed judge Paul Cassell, previously best known for pressing the courts to overturn the Miranda decision, to call the mandatory sentence in this case “unjust, cruel, and even irrational.”

Anthea Harris — 15 years when members of her husband’s drug ring received sentence reductions to testify against her, although she had not been directly involved in the business.

A compassionate conservative should also use the pardon power to head off the DEA’s war against doctors who help patients alleviate pain. He could start by pardoning Dr. Ronald McIver, sentenced to 30 years for prescribing Oxycontin and other drugs to patients in severe pain. Or Dr. William Hurwitz of Virginia, sentenced to 25 years but then granted a retrial, convicted again, and awaiting sentencing, which could still be 10 years.

Commute these sentences, Mr. President.

Prophet Saddam · 07-04-2007, 11:37 AM

And if 60% isn't significant to you, I'm not sure what will wake you up.

Would impeachment do the job?

stoneric · 07-04-2007, 12:59 PM

40% republicans think libby should do time. Funny how the prosecuter was a republicant and the judge that sentenced "scooter" was a bush appointee who was appointed because he was tough on crime. He lost his appeal unanimously(2 repubs and 1 democrat). This is politcally motivated. The republicans are out to get our scooter!

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theorangejulius dirt farmer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: basin and range Posts: 1,077 Thanks: 3 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts	we sure spent a lot of time and money on the investigation and trial. kind of a waste if he was just going to get pardoned anyway.

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j-wonder Guest Posts: n/a	its funny because all the people who have the opinion that the Libby case was purely politically motivated will be glad that this happened and an honorable man who if u read any of those letters sent to the judge on his behalf helped not only young professionals rise thru the ranks but was an extremely nice guy..... what did he do ? he worked for a leader who is extremely unpopular and was made to take the fall..... so yea the people who like him will be happy and everyone else (who doesnt like bush anyway) will be pissed... i guess its bush's chance to start saying fuck you to his critics.... if i had an absolute no holds barred power like the presidential pardon i would definately use it to help out a loyal long time associate who was unfairly laid out to dry.....

07-02-2007, 10:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
j-wonder Guest Posts: n/a	if nixon deserved a pardon... which i dont really think he did considering the circumstances....teh n libby surely deserves one. and he didnt even get it, just a sentence commute.

07-03-2007, 09:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
HTAM Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,872 Thanks: 2,368 Thanked 2,117 Times in 1,179 Posts	Libby was dirty.... 'The five-count indictment alleges that Libby, 55, lied on two occasions to FBI investigators, made false statements in two appearances before the grand jury, and impeded the investigation. He will be arraigned in coming days and then it could be up to a year before any trial begins. If convicted on all counts, Libby could face up to 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines.'\ Mr. Libby’s lawyers said in an opening statement on Tuesday that he felt so abandoned by the White House as the leak investigation intensified in the fall of 2003 that he appealed to his boss, Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Cheney subsequently wrote, according to the defense’s opening statement: “Not going to protect one staffer + sacrifice the guy who was asked to stick his neck in the meatgrinder because of the incompetence of others.” and anything but a scapegoat. Ideally, this is the first of many dominoes that will fall as the investigation moves forward. HTAM

07-04-2007, 09:21 AM	#13 (permalink)
j-wonder Guest Posts: n/a	i love when u cite polls... dude, it doesnt matter if 100% of americans think something, justice is justice..... am i saying justice was served in this case? no not necessarily, but a poll should have absolutely no effect on whether justice was served or not....

07-04-2007, 09:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
j-wonder Guest Posts: n/a	no im just talking about what is just- its a philosophical argument more than anything. sometimes even laws can be unjust (like imo marijuana prohibition)... but justice is not based on what the mob would do in a given situation, its far more complex and based on laws, punishments, morality, etc etc... my point is relatively vague ill concede.

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stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,643 Thanks: 702 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	40% republicans think libby should do time. Funny how the prosecuter was a republicant and the judge that sentenced "scooter" was a bush appointee who was appointed because he was tough on crime. He lost his appeal unanimously(2 repubs and 1 democrat). This is politcally motivated. The republicans are out to get our scooter!

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