Death

Ego Tripping · 10-15-2007, 04:21 PM

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Good evening to you all. Now then that you are in greater number than last time that we chatted with you, let us mention to you the reasoning behind last week’s long soliloquy on death, even though some of you were indeed bored to death.

My reason to explain as I did and to challenge you as I did was to have you understand without a doubt by the very living experience of your feelings and the validity of your own vitality through your dreams, through your consciousness afterwards or during the past two weeks, that death has become in the past few years a philosophical question. It has become an intellectual debate. Your society will recognize only those portions that avoid topics of death and dying. Fortunately you have individuals that will keep on your tail such as Koebler-Ross with her books of death and dying, and those of you rare and gutsy individuals who are willing to discuss even after death experiences.

My purpose was then to have you understand that death is not removed from your experience. It is not a separate item like a piece of merchandise that you hold up to the light and see if it is worth your time. Death is part of the process of your lives. Death is part of the process of evolution just as your wakefulness is part of the process of sleeping and your period of sleep is a necessary, inviolate portion of your waking hours. Similarly death and all relatable experiences are part and parcel of each and every day that you open your eyes and look at the world around you. Death then is not the forbidding enemy of life; death is not anti-life; death is not terminal, though for some it may seem that way.

Death is the continuation of the process of the rhythm explored by nature and by the mind of man in corroboration. Death assures your survival as a species, as a race, as part of nature and as yourselves, individually. Without death your life spans would bore you, where you would wish for death. Life itself would have no meaning were it not for the interlude that you call death.

Similarly you would be highly disappointed if your turned your television on in the morning to watch your favourite soap opera and would find to your dismay that it does not end. You would, by yourselves, complain to the producer. Similarly the production of your own life includes an interlude, a break that you call death whereby you can recapitulate your experiences, your thoughts, your feelings and your point of view on the past presentation of life with “blank”. In that way you are able to appreciate the moments where you are fully alive in the physical body by recognizing the potential vitality of your own immortality.

That is the point of death. It is, in your three dimensional terms, the time when you recognize your immortality and not to the contrary. Death allows you to enhance your consciousness. Death allows you then to appreciate your identity, whereupon your can then admire the vastness of your own psychological state of being, and appreciate not only yourself, your being-ness, your creaturehood, but that of your fellow human beings and that of other life forms either on this planet or elsewhere.

Anybody care to discuss and/or comment?

**~~~LegalizeIt~~~** · 10-15-2007, 04:28 PM

Death is like entering a dream. Your mind separates from your physical body, at least that is what i believe.Who knows where you go. Not gonna get specific cause you nor anyone really can.

clive · 10-15-2007, 04:48 PM

seems like ALL the banned members are back, good in some ways, bad in others.

SublimeStylez · 10-16-2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Delay

seems like ALL the banned members are back, good in some ways, bad in others.

Are you fucking daft? What does this have to do with this thread.

verklingen · 10-16-2007, 07:17 AM

Death is a function of linearity. It's hard to grasp these concepts. . . and even harder putting them into words. But think of your day to day life. It follows the same format day in and day out: you awake, make activity and return to sleep. So each day is really the same day. . . like the movie Groundhog Day but with more tricks to give a sense of progression.

Actually, that movie is really fucking great. It explains what I'm getting at very well. Bill Murray sees through the day-to-day progression trickery and realizes there is only today. . . there is only here and now. He understands the power this offers him, and first sets about using it for selfish means. Then he gets bored, frustrated, and tries to end it by killing himself. But to his dismay, he wakes up the next morning just the same.

He then realizes another prospect for this power of the now. He begins bettering himself, and balancing himself. He helps others, and does what he can to make others happy. Eventually, this ends up making HIM happy. He turns from the cold, disgruntled poor sap people (and he himself, through a life's worth of conditioning) expected him to be into an angel dropped straight from heaven. And magically, when he does it all right -- altering the quality of his past and changing the potentials of his future by making himself better in the now -- the tricks were set back in motion that he might savor the fruits of his balance.

I may have gotten a bit of the plot progression wrong, it's been a while since I've seen the film. But it provides a basic illustration of the microcosm of death and life. The only time is now. Make the best of it or you won't get anything more than you're used to. Not in a year, not in a million years, not even in an eternity.

Center · 10-16-2007, 01:09 PM

^ Never occured to me how great of a parable that movie is. Thanks!

love-

10-16-2007, 07:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,005 Thanks: 811 Thanked 1,491 Times in 946 Posts	Death is a function of linearity. It's hard to grasp these concepts. . . and even harder putting them into words. But think of your day to day life. It follows the same format day in and day out: you awake, make activity and return to sleep. So each day is really the same day. . . like the movie Groundhog Day but with more tricks to give a sense of progression. Actually, that movie is really fucking great. It explains what I'm getting at very well. Bill Murray sees through the day-to-day progression trickery and realizes there is only today. . . there is only here and now. He understands the power this offers him, and first sets about using it for selfish means. Then he gets bored, frustrated, and tries to end it by killing himself. But to his dismay, he wakes up the next morning just the same. He then realizes another prospect for this power of the now. He begins bettering himself, and balancing himself. He helps others, and does what he can to make others happy. Eventually, this ends up making HIM happy. He turns from the cold, disgruntled poor sap people (and he himself, through a life's worth of conditioning) expected him to be into an angel dropped straight from heaven. And magically, when he does it all right -- altering the quality of his past and changing the potentials of his future by making himself better in the now -- the tricks were set back in motion that he might savor the fruits of his balance. I may have gotten a bit of the plot progression wrong, it's been a while since I've seen the film. But it provides a basic illustration of the microcosm of death and life. The only time is now. Make the best of it or you won't get anything more than you're used to. Not in a year, not in a million years, not even in an eternity. __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

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10-15-2007, 04:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
~~~LegalizeIt~~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 903 Thanks: 13 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Death is like entering a dream. Your mind separates from your physical body, at least that is what i believe.Who knows where you go. Not gonna get specific cause you nor anyone really can.

10-16-2007, 01:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
Center YaHookan Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: on my way home Posts: 742 Thanks: 13 Thanked 103 Times in 72 Posts	^ Never occured to me how great of a parable that movie is. Thanks! love-

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