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Maybe if mine shrinks a little more, I'll be on the same level as most politicians and some presidents.
Heavy marijuana use shrinks brain parts: study - Yahoo! News ![]() :f inger::finger:
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the hippocampus regulates emotion and memory
some people I know could do with less emotional responses, and maybe losing 1 or two items off a list of 15 randomly chosen things isn't such a high price to pay in terms of side effects Shrunken amygdala = less agression = not happy war mongers shit no, we cant have people displaying less aggression, it would lessen our need to control people, and we are reall all about the control mechanisms
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Rooters Bold Font Lie
Reuters Bold Face "font" Lie...
Heavy Marijuana Use Shrinks Brain Parts - Study CN Source: Reuters June 02, 2008 Washington, DC may cause... not does cause as the title "suggests" more likely to Is this a scientific term? some people So even of the 15 studied only some may or may not experience something... Our findings suggest as opposed to our findings conclude... Among the 15 heavy marijuana users in the study 15 out of 150 million using... The researchers acknowledged that the study did not prove it was the marijuana But Rooters needed a headline... findings certainly suggested Well now that you added "certainly" to your suggestions that makes all the dif. "The documented damage caused by comparably heavy use of alcohol or tobacco is just off-the-charts more serious, and you don't need high-tech scans to find it," -- Bruce Mirken ![]() I'll "see" your study and "raise you two more" * Marijuana Promotes Neuron Growth * Marijuana May Spur New Brain Cells * Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis Alzheimers & Cannabis Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia links include the following... * Dr. Heath/Tulane Study, 1974 The Hype: Brain Damage and Dead Monkeys In 1974, California Governor Ronald Reagan was asked about decriminalizing marijuana. After producing the Heath/Tulane University study, the so-called "Great Communicator" proclaimed, "The most reliable scientific sources say permanent brain damage is one of the inevitable results of the use of marijuana." (L.A. Times) * The Facts: Suffocation of Research Animals * Virtues' of Ganja * Groups Endorsing RxGanja * Politics of Pot * Drug War Distortions
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I'll wait for the peer review process and duplicate studies before I make up my mind on this one. Unfortunately, even if the results are refuted, the history of bad research in the service of bad policy is a long one.
Let us not forget that excess alcohol and tobbacco harms the brain as well, and I'm a rather light smoker (a couple times a month) so I'm personally not that worried. As the article says: "These were people who were essentially stoned all day every day for 20 years," Marijuana Policy Project spokesman Bruce Mirken said by e-mail. "This study says nothing about moderate or occasional users, who are the vast majority -- and the (study) even acknowledges this. . .The documented damage caused by comparably heavy use of alcohol or tobacco is just off-the-charts more serious, and you don't need high-tech scans to find it."
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Marijuana. Harmless?
"Marijuana leads to homosexuality ... and therefore to AIDS." -- Carlton Turner - Former Drug Czar (Reagan) 5212 10/02/07 dangers 457x458 ![]() "Casual drug users should be taken out and shot." -- Daryl Gates - Former LAPD Chief "Not only are we here to protect the public from vicious criminals in the street but also to protect the public from harmful ideas." -- Robert Ingersoll - Former DEA Director (1972) ![]() DeJaVu 1930's "Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing" "Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind." "How many murders, suicides, robberies, criminal assaults, holdups, burglaries and deeds of maniacal insanity it causes each year, especially among the young, can only be conjectured... No one knows, when he places a marijuana cigarette to his lips, whether he will become a joyous reveller in a musical heaven, a mad insensate, a calm philosopher, or a murderer..." -- Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK) ![]() Czar’s Strategy "I want a Goddamn strong statement on marijuana, I mean one that just tears the ass out of them. You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish." -- Richard M. Nixon - Former President Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1. ![]() If Freedom of the Press Isn’t Harmless, Why Am I Not In Favor of Censorship? The “Latest Research” Shows Long Term Incompetent Journalism Leads To Shrinking Freedom. Posted by Richard Cowan on 2008-06-03 16:20:00 My point is that both the “research” and the “reporting” here are inherently political – and therefore deceitful. The arguments against marijuana prohibition are no more based on the assumption that cannabis is harmless than the arguments against censorship are based on the assumption that such crappy reporting is harmless. We never hear anyone ask if marijuana prohibition is “harmless.” If only freedom remains “controversial,” then we are already slaves. Read Full Story... Annotated NORML Weekly News for May 29, 2008 Potency Claims Unfounded. Hailey Still Uppity, Last Call for Aspen Seminar. Posted by Richard Cowan on 2008-05-30 16:20:00 "Claims ... about a 20- or 30-fold increase in cannabis potency and about adverse mental health effects are not supported by the evidence." For the second time in seven months, Hailey voters approved a trio of municipal ballot measures liberalizing local marijuana law enforcement policies. Read Full Story... Bush So Drunk He Couldn’t Remember Doing Coke, So Medical Marijuana Patients Are Driven to Suicide. There Are A Lot of Questions the “Liberal Media” Still Will Not Ask. Posted by Richard Cowan on 2008-05-29 16:20:00 In fact, there is substantial evidence that their own problems with cocaine – and their consequent vulnerability to blackmail by the narks – kept both Clinton and Bush toeing the prohibitionist party line. And as the Mena, Arkansas, story illustrates, their “problems” were not confined just to personal use. Read Full Story... ![]() Brainiac DWR: Wednesday, June 4, 2008 The drug czar has teamed up with The Daily Mail Reuters to promote the latest in anti-marijuana junk science. The bold headline: Heavy marijuana use shrinks brain parts: study. Ut oh. We're in trouble now. Except... 1. We're talking about people who smoked 5 joints a day for 20 years, and. 2. The study did not in fact find that marijuana use shrinks brain parts. The researchers acknowledged that the study did not prove it was the marijuana and not some other factor that triggered these brain differences. I'd love to get paid to do studies that determine things without having to actually determine them. But instead, I simply tried my own unscientific experiment and compared the brains of noted pot smoker Carl Sagan and noted non-pot smoker John Walters (which i was able to borrow and return without it being missed). In every test performed, Sagan's brain won handily, despite being dead for 12 years. Morehere andhere Marijuana. Harmless? Um, no. But probably less harmful than -- prohibition, alcohol, cigarettes, aspirin, global warming, working as a miner, politicians, prison, Hostess Twinkies, jogging, driving, sex, cheeseburgers, skiing...
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Smoking Pot All Day, Every Day Might Not Be Good For You
Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:11:48 By: Paul Armentano, NORML Deputy Director Ever wonder why the studies purporting to ‘prove’ marijuana’s health risks only recruit subjects who smoke pot 24 hours a day, seven days a week? Heavy marijuana use shrinks brain parts via Reuters Brain scans showed the hippocampus and amygdala were smaller in men who were heavy marijuana users compared to nonusers. … The men had smoked at least five marijuana cigarettes daily for on average 20 years. The answer: If they didn’t, there wouldn’t be any purported risks left to write about. I mean, seriously, imagine if these scientists had tried recruiting 15 subjects who drank at least five shots of vodka every day for 20 years? That is, if they could find 15 subjects who were still alive. Marijuana may up heart attack, stroke risk via Reuters Heavy marijuana use can boost blood levels of a particular protein, perhaps raising a person’s risk of a heart attack or stroke, U.S. government researchers said on Tuesday. …The marijuana users in the study averaged smoking 78 to 350 marijuana cigarettes per week. The study did not look at whether the heavy marijuana users actually had heart disease. So here we go again. Three-hundred and fifty joints per week?! Who are these people? And what’s with the caveat at the end of the story? If the purpose of the study is to assess whether there might be a link between ridiculously heavy pot use and heart disease, then why not, you know, look to see whether the subjects actually suffered from heart disease? (Likely answer: Aside from the abnormal protein level, the patients were probably otherwise healthy.) Bottom line: smoking pot all day, every day probably isn’t good for you (though I find it interesting that, even among the most prolific pot users, most of the herb’s purported dangers are either speculative or are only apparent on hyper-sensitive brain scans and multi-tiered neurocognitive tests). Fortunately, 99.9 percent of pot smokers don’t behave this way. And no, it’s not prohibition that curbs their use habits; it’s the recognition that too much pot is not conducive to an otherwise healthy, responsible lifestyle (just as pounding five shots a day wouldn’t be conducive to, well, life). So what lesson can be learned from the two studies above (aside from the fact that our government has no interest in investigating the health of ordinary cannabis consumers)? It’s that pot, like alcohol, is best consumed in moderation, and that pot prohibition — even when compared to the excessive use of the drug itself — still poses the greatest threat to health.
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In other words, they actually cannot do any real tests on this because of the prohibition. As usual, they are lying again.
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true enough patriot
newscientist is easier to believe than you and I for some people
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