Aurora

Court of public opinion rules: Shooting thief in back courageous

Farmer charged with shooting alleged thief overwhelmed by support

In my opinion, there was no reason to shoot the thief at all unless he posed a direct threat to the owner of the stolen property that was chasing him. The farmer successfully thwarted the theft of his ATV, so why shoot the guy in the back, afterwards? I suppose one argument would be "if he lets the thief get away, he will just do it again anyway." That maybe true, but, the thieves in question weren't a violent bunch, farmerman's life was in no danger so I think that was excessive force.

How so many people can side with the famer that shot him is beyond me.

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osirus2020

I'm not going to lie, he took it further than I would have, but at what point do you crack?

Shit like this keeps happening, and there are only laws protecting the bad guys here. If they stole his ATV chances are he would end up with nothing and the thiefs would end up with a shiny new ATV. I think more people need to lose this "resolve through peaceful means" bullshit and get real.

From a completely cognitively oriented perspective, being able to defend your belongings (pertaining to this instance) should be promoted. Sure, you may end up killing another human being, but that human being is the lowest form of human being making everyone else's lives suck.

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msicidron

true that. if youre gonna do somethin as disrespectful and low as steal from a working man then you should expect some serious consequences.

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Aurora

Nah, fuck that "resolve through peaceful means" bullshit.

Theif deserved to get tackled to the ground, beat into submission and held till police arrived at the scene, worst case scenario.

If you are incapable of physically incapacitating someone without the use of deadly force when in such a scenario then too bad for your sorry incompitant ass. Don't compensate through the use of firearms... that's just cowardly.

Farmerdouche deserves to get punished.

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osirus2020

Dude using a firearm isn't about being mean or courageous. Owning a firearm is about responsibility and effectiveness. Yeah, maybe he could have held him down until police arrived, but he didn't. The fact of the matter that he is stealing your stuff when you don't know about it. That's one time he has the advantage, and the guy with the advantage wins. The farmer got the guy off the ATV with a truck, his advantage over an ATV was that a truck is like 5 times heavier than an ATV. He then shot the guy. Being able to use a firearm in such a manner is having an advantage over the thief. Who knows what their intention was, it doesn't matter.

Sure maybe he isn't "harmful", but he is stealing your stuff alright and that crosses the bounds of when you are determining a threat level. He is on your property without you knowing, stealing your stuff- he is up to no good and may have every intention of harming you. There is no need to think about it, because it's a grave enough threat as far as you know it.

You also bring up the mentality that "if you're too weak to defend your stuff, then tough luck". This directly contradicts the idea that you are trying to level the playing fields of the thief/farmer relationship. You think the criminal deserves a break because the farmer was "stronger", and unfair compared to the criminal, but the farmer doesn't deserve the break because it's morally wrong to kill no matter what the circumstances. According to you, if you can't physically wrestle a bad guy to save your ass, your ass isn't worth saving.


In other words, fighting the guy to the ground may be this "honorable" nonsense, but that thief isn't being honorable by stealing your possessions in the first place. Since you know he is already a dishonorable man, of course he isn't going to fight fair, and neither should you. Always use every advantage you can gain over your enemy, always have the upper hand.

In the words of Colonel Jeff Cooper: "Always cheat, always win. The only unfair fight is the one you loose".

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Aurora

Possessions are things. Life is life. (wow I sound gay as fuck saying this)

Any idiot can do what that (farmerdicklessshit) brainless moron did. Just another case of some redneck w/a gun wanting his own brand of justice.

"Dude using a firearm isn't about being mean or courageous. Owning a firearm is about responsibility and effectiveness."

He wasn't responsible at all.


Osirus, nowhere did I say it's morally wrong to kill someone no matter the circumstances. I'm saying in this case, it sure the fuck was (would have been). Don't put words in my mouth kthx.

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osirus2020

Ok so then what you're trying to say is that you aren't completely apposed to being able to defend yourself, rather he handled the situation wrong?

I don't mean to sound like I'm putting words in your mouth, but it's hard not to infer certain things based on what I don't know about you.

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Grieves

I wouldn't have shot the dude provided the stuff he stole was insured...

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Aurora

he wasn't defending anything when he shot the guy as he was running away. He was attacking.

that's my point.

If the farmer had probable cause to believe his life was in danger and shot the guy IN SELF DEFENCE, then okay. all the power to him.

of course people should be able to defend themselves, however, this story reinforces my belief that people should not be allowed to carry guns because of the stupid things they do with them.


lol grieves.

"Durr, I shpent lyke 12k on dat uninshured ayteevee, know wai uu gunna tayke it frum meee uhlyve"

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Rubix

A little bit too far, but i can surely see where he is coming from. If he comes into your house, regardless if he is armed, then yes definitely pop him a clip. But when someone is outside your house stealing your property, going outside your house is only putting you in more danger.

Basically he thought since it is Texas he would get much support (which he is), not from the law however. Not to mention the civil lawsuit; this robber might have money to buy his own ATV if the farmer has any money after all the lawyer fees. Sad either way you look at it.

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Aurora

the fuck? this happened in canada. 2 hours or so from my home city, dawgy dawg.

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Rubix

lol, idk y i was thinking Texas

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Aurora

yes you do, LOL

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stretchyside

IMo I think if you fuck with someone and/or there property you deserve whats coming to you

shelbert008

eh I don't feel bad for people who blatantly steals someones property, that's simply part of the risk you take when you make such stupid decisions that end up hurting others. If they don't have any consideration for other people and their property, why should anyone care about the thief's well being?

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Aurora

I have so little faith in humanity these days.

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Aurora

Why should anyone care about the property owners well-being if he shoots an unarmed man in the back? He's just as guilty as the guy stealing property.

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shelbert008

because he was protecting his property that the fucking thief was stealing, he's not guilty for just protecting his shit
had the thief never tried to pull that bull shit, he would have NEVER been shot. The entire blame falls upon the thief because he started and caused it.

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Aurora

Pretty sure that he 'protected his property' when he rammed the suv with his fucking truck. What he did afterwards was just... oh, I dunno, a LITTLE excessive? aye?

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shelbert008

eh probably, but unfortunately us humans are still susceptible to our emotions, and rage is definitely a powerful one. Crimes of passions happen, which is why they have more mild sentences. Like I said, if the guy had never committed the crime to begin with, then the farmer would have never been filled with rage to then shot the guy. This thing kind of reminds me of something that happened here in Texas. There was some old guy just hanging out in his home when he sees some young adults breaking into his neighbors house. Of course he instinctively grabs his shotgun and calls the cops. He tells the phone operator that he has his loaded gun and he wants the cops to hurry up so nothing will happen. The operator continues to tell him to calm down and to not try and stop the kids. Well basically the cops don't come in time, and he sees the thieves come out with a bunch of things. He tells the operator that they came out and he wasn't letting them go. You hear him cock his gun, and then he goes out side and shoots them both. I can't remember if both dies or only one did, but basically he went on trial for murder. He won the case because they ran across his property as they were escaping. Gotta love Texas, gun capital of America.

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