Clove cigarettes (all flavored cigs) banned in U.S.

cantSEEme · 09-23-2009, 08:45 AM

The FDA?s flavored-cigarette ban - THE WEEK

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What happened
The Food and Drug Administration banned the sale of clove-, fruit-, and candy-flavored cigarettes, effective Tuesday, in an effort to close a “gateway” to smoking by young people. The ban was the FDA’s first flexing of regulatory authority gained under a smoking-prevention law that was approved in June (Los Angeles Times).

What the commentators said
Now that “would-be hipsters" won’t be “puffing on clove cigarettes and strawberry bidis anymore,” said Lita Beck in NBC Dallas, the anti-tobacco fight is moving on to differentiating between clove cigarettes and clove cigars, and the more politically touchy issue of menthol, “by far the most popular cigarette flavor,” which isn't covered in the ban.

Without a menthol ban, “criminalizing the sale of smokes with flavors like strawberry and vanilla” doesn’t do much good, said The Minnesota Daily in an editorial. It does, however, let “tobacco monolith” and menthol purveyor Philip Morris—which “shrewdly” backed FDA control over tobacco—use the FDA to freeze smaller, often foreign competitors out of the U.S. market.

The lack of a menthol ban is a shame, said The Louisville Courier-Journal in an editorial, but even though other flavored smokes make up just “a small niche in the cigarette market,” it’s a niche aimed squarely at tempting teenagers. Besides, smoking bans of any scope are worth pursuing—two large studies just found, independently, that cities that curbed smoking in public spaces had 17 percent fewer heart attacks after a year.

WTF kinda stupid shit is this? i personally hate clove smokes, or flavored smokes in general (besides menthol), but seriously, WTF?? ridiculous.

they will never ban menthol imo, too much profit. i, unfortunately, am a menthol smoker.

verklingen · 09-23-2009, 08:52 AM

sad news. i dig a clove every now and then, for someone who doesn't smoke tobacco it really knocks you on your ass. specially after a good bowl

awwsuga23 · 09-23-2009, 09:10 AM

i do like cloves once in a blue moon. that kinda sucks. its pretty retarded

Mydriasis · 09-23-2009, 09:40 AM

Cloves rip my lungs apart. This is lame for many reasons though. I wonder why they wasted there time regulating what people smoke more? It's already bullshit enough they raised the price on cigarette tax.

Xil · 09-23-2009, 09:46 AM

land of the free.

lets skullfuck the statue of liberty, and have a good smoke after!

stonerkid · 09-23-2009, 10:35 AM

fucking dicks! taking away my mofucking cloves and strawberry bidids????
how on earth will i cough blood now!!!???

what about online orders from other countries? would like customs take my stogies?

Tricto · 09-23-2009, 11:19 AM

It's only a matter of time before they take away flavored foods too, can't let kids get hooked on the deliciousness lest they eat too much...

Grieves · 09-23-2009, 11:22 AM

It just means that companies are repackaging and reselling them as flavored cigars instead of flavored ciggies....These products will still be available, albeit by a different name...

cantSEEme · 09-23-2009, 11:31 AM

^ good point, grieves. although i wouldn't put it past the fda to go after flavored cigars, blunts wraps, and pipe tobacco though. it's just a money making scam for phillip morris. fda crooks.

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In 2009, the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was introduced in the US Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama, giving the FDA significantly more regulatory power over tobacco; one of the provisions in the law includes a ban on the use of flavors in tobacco, other than menthol. The ban includes kreteks. As of September 21, 2009 the clove cigarette were no longer legal in the US. However, Kretek International Inc., importer of the Djarum brand continued to offer the clove / tobacco products as small cigars in an effort to avoid the ban.

Kretek - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

stonerkid · 09-23-2009, 11:40 AM

ahh so this only applies to cigs, not for long i bet)=

Linkey · 09-23-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry

They are also banning flavored mideast hookah tobacco, which is just sad.

they're seriously banning shisha???

Tricto · 09-23-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkey

they're seriously banning shisha???

yeah wtff, didn't hear that.

badgoalie85 · 09-23-2009, 04:13 PM

they're banning flavored blunts and blunt wraps too

The Rev · 09-23-2009, 04:43 PM

The fact that it's illegal for minors to smoke is clearly not enough. As a country, we needed to do something we KNEW would prevent kids from smoking, so naturally, we took a lesson from the drug war, and made these products illegal outright. It worked with marijuana, so we KNOW it will work with smoking.

Good job, Washington! Thank God we have a government that can be counted on to always make the smart decision.

The Rev

Dr. Nick Nasty · 09-23-2009, 05:03 PM

If only the Left (or what passes for the Left here) would give up on some of these 'lifestyle' nanny-state issues, we might actually be able to pass some meaningful legislation that legitimately helps average people instead of regressively raising taxes on their habits.

Man in Black · 09-23-2009, 05:42 PM

gotta agree with most of the sentiments here, what a load of shit. I rarely ever smoke tobacco but I really enjoyed the flavored hookah tobaccos that they sell at my local head shop..didn't think rose flavored tobacco would be very good but it was actually bomb diggity.

Tricto · 09-26-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry

Also happy to note my local Korean grocer will sell cloves "until they come in and make me stop"

Probably indefinitely then haha. If the cops really have nothing better to do they need to seriously rethink their priorities...

K10 · 09-26-2009, 12:17 PM

man wtf.....Ill be super mad if I can't get any shisha for my hookah. Luckily i buy it from and indian grocer, so they probably won't give a fuck.

And what of hookah bars....?

I never smoke bidis, and i just roll with unflavored swishers, but wtf? The whole line of thinking behind this is ludicrous, making it blatantly obvious that this is just a move by big tobacco companies to ease out any perceived competition. Aren't pretty much all flavored cigarettes and cloves imported?

Dr. Drew · 09-26-2009, 01:23 PM

fucking cunts.
don't take my shisha or blunts.

kushqueen420 · 09-29-2009, 06:56 PM

I've been cig free for over 2 months now. My choice to quit, but i do think this is a bunch of bullshit. What's next? Fast food places?

09-23-2009, 08:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	sad news. i dig a clove every now and then, for someone who doesn't smoke tobacco it really knocks you on your ass. specially after a good bowl __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

09-23-2009, 09:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
Mydriasis Do Not Resuscitate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,317 Thanks: 840 Thanked 431 Times in 298 Posts	Cloves rip my lungs apart. This is lame for many reasons though. I wonder why they wasted there time regulating what people smoke more? It's already bullshit enough they raised the price on cigarette tax. __________________ ۞ Last edited by Mydriasis; 09-23-2009 at 09:43 AM.

09-23-2009, 09:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,292 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 993 Thanked 1,108 Times in 687 Posts	land of the free. lets skullfuck the statue of liberty, and have a good smoke after! __________________ Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life, so get wasted all the time and have the time of your life

09-23-2009, 11:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tricto updating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midwest Posts: 439 Thanks: 184 Thanked 79 Times in 59 Posts	It's only a matter of time before they take away flavored foods too, can't let kids get hooked on the deliciousness lest they eat too much... __________________ Human rights went on vacation Money took over a long time ago... Cuando la historia no se puede escribir con la pluma, se escribe con el fusil

09-23-2009, 11:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	It just means that companies are repackaging and reselling them as flavored cigars instead of flavored ciggies....These products will still be available, albeit by a different name... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

09-23-2009, 04:13 PM	#13 (permalink)
badgoalie85 Spiraling Out Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NoVA Posts: 1,145 Thanks: 97 Thanked 454 Times in 288 Posts	they're banning flavored blunts and blunt wraps too __________________ Pursue happiness. To each his own.

09-23-2009, 04:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,674 Thanks: 4,716 Thanked 5,060 Times in 2,710 Posts	The fact that it's illegal for minors to smoke is clearly not enough. As a country, we needed to do something we KNEW would prevent kids from smoking, so naturally, we took a lesson from the drug war, and made these products illegal outright. It worked with marijuana, so we KNOW it will work with smoking. Good job, Washington! Thank God we have a government that can be counted on to always make the smart decision. The Rev __________________ "You're seriously flying close to the fag-sun, icarus." -Flamingnun

09-23-2009, 05:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
Dr. Nick Nasty A PhD in Anarchy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York/New Jersey Metro Wasteland Posts: 1,095 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 576 Thanked 347 Times in 219 Posts	If only the Left (or what passes for the Left here) would give up on some of these 'lifestyle' nanny-state issues, we might actually be able to pass some meaningful legislation that legitimately helps average people instead of regressively raising taxes on their habits. __________________ The true [classical] liberal, in pursuit of fixed principles, must never have fixed political alliances. They must change based on the ruling rationale of the moment.- Lew Rockwell

09-23-2009, 05:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
Man in Black willie d Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: dayton,ohio Posts: 4,816 Thanks: 2,928 Thanked 1,249 Times in 835 Posts	gotta agree with most of the sentiments here, what a load of shit. I rarely ever smoke tobacco but I really enjoyed the flavored hookah tobaccos that they sell at my local head shop..didn't think rose flavored tobacco would be very good but it was actually bomb diggity. __________________ Budweiser buckles and soft faded Wranglers and each night begins a new day, if you can't understand him and he don't die young, he'll probably just ride away.

09-26-2009, 12:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
K10 Lazy lightning Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: out in the cold rain and snow Posts: 3,110 Thanks: 127 Thanked 293 Times in 160 Posts	man wtf.....Ill be super mad if I can't get any shisha for my hookah. Luckily i buy it from and indian grocer, so they probably won't give a fuck. And what of hookah bars....? I never smoke bidis, and i just roll with unflavored swishers, but wtf? The whole line of thinking behind this is ludicrous, making it blatantly obvious that this is just a move by big tobacco companies to ease out any perceived competition. Aren't pretty much all flavored cigarettes and cloves imported? __________________ Just because you tie dye your wool, doesn't mean you're not a sheep. R.I.P. Alice D.

09-29-2009, 06:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
kushqueen420 I wanna get high Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Love Street, SD Posts: 25 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've been cig free for over 2 months now. My choice to quit, but i do think this is a bunch of bullshit. What's next? Fast food places?

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